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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 30, 2024 21:21:42 GMT -6
The only reason I'd pick this over Satin is to save cpu. It's probably the next best thing.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 27, 2024 21:26:35 GMT -6
This is really a lot simpler than we're thinking. It's all about what the consumer market wants. In 1999 we learned that they would gladly prefer 128 mp3s for free. In our modern era we know that people will pay good money to see acts that you couldn't give away after 1991 like New Kids and Vanilla Ice. Music used to serve a lot more purposes than it does today. People stopped forming bands as often as in the past going back two decades. Guys who would've dedicated themselves to a band in 1978 ended up in college or in jail in 2002. Today it seems to just be a background thing for social media and its interactions. Either background music in someone's video or playing in the background at whatever event they're at. Full immersion VR is inevitable too. And great session players will able to be replicated by AI.
Traditional society is already over. How many here have seen the fertility rates? Been dropping like a rock since 2008. There are a lot more options than pure trans-humanism. You could stay as you are and just load up on nanotech in maybe about a decade so you don't age or develop terrible health. More intelligence means less violence and destruction. I'm always surprised when I go on Youtube or political sites and people are worried about being in a Terminator movie. Not remotely possible. In those movies it's like AI has this huge growth, time machines exist, and everything else is locked into whatever year the movie was produced.
With mass automation we'll have to see big changes in society. People worry too much about jobs and money as if job loss it the only thing that will be changing. Even anarchists worry about this. The big corporations are gonna replace us all and we'll still have to pay a premium price for everything. It's more likely the corporations will become obsolete as their products won't be necessary anymore. More technology means we can do more on our own, be more self-sufficient. These corporations are going to lose their power over the populace for the most part. Do what you can now, it's tough to plan for the future. Perhaps it won't require any planning at all on our part. The big dystopia never ends up arriving. Maybe this era is the worst dystopia.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 26, 2024 19:27:03 GMT -6
The new Motley song is supposedly heavily reliant on AI. Some have said they hired Bob Rock largely due to his being able to enhance stuff with AI. Based on what I'm hearing, it sounds like it could be AI. It sorta sounds like a song, but it also sounds too rudimentary. Like there's a streak of creativity that's missing. But modern music is so fake that it can be hard to tell the difference. I mean, all these fake instruments that have been put in perfect time by a DAW. Fake vocals, unnaturally perfect pitch. Then following the same corporate formulas. It's assembly line music made for AI to have little issues duplicating. Maybe this is the future of audio? Being able to setup AI to recreate things when the bands are no longer willing and/or able to do them?
If this is the way things are gonna go, then I could see musicians and engineers once again trying to go back and do things organically. Like the mentality behind the Terrifier movies. It was all about doing things with practical effects and trying to ditch all the modern excesses without worrying about making a ton of money. I think people are looking to take back their entertainment from these soulless corporate machines. Maybe we'll get back to this 1990s mentality when it comes to some genres of music. Those bands weren't making a lot of money, but we got albums like Symbolic, Storm Of The Light's Bane, Down, Mandylion, Something Wicked, Anthems, Nexus Polaris, Domination, Voodoo, Morningrise, just all this stuff where they were motivated. The drive was there to take on the soulless corporate behemoth of MTV.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 26, 2024 19:09:49 GMT -6
What version should you get? Professional. Just wait for it to be $99 again. The other version is missing some of the tweaks.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 25, 2024 23:57:35 GMT -6
Hopefully some people much better than we have in our current world governments...hah If you don't mind, I'm not going to hold my breath, OK? The feds can't seem to figure out the simplest of things - and AI? Pffft. It will take them a century to figure out the basics, and by then who knows where we are.... Might be down to people like Kurzweil and other futurists. It's almost something that can't be controlled via legislation. But when the tech inevitably exists to end resource scarcity, fix psych problems that cause criminal impulses, provide basically free housing and energy, and cure or prevent most any medical problem including aging, what do you really need an imposing government for? Once people start augmenting their brains to become radically more intelligent, who is going to want to start wars? Even visionary filmmakers have never understood technology. They create these movies about the future but still leave a lot of 20th century limitations in them. Star Wars cracks me up like that, especially now that they're showing stuff that's taken place thousands of years before the first movies. In that universe technology just stopped advancing and everything was largely the same for thousands of years. You have space ships with lightspeed, advanced cybernetics, laser weapons, carbon freezing, extremely advanced AI in robots, all this stuff, but they still age and no one has anything resembling a cell phone.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 25, 2024 15:39:14 GMT -6
I'm curious if anyone else has compared the Bricasti to Inspirata. That's the one people on forums say is closest to that Bricasti quality. I've tried them back to back using the Bricasti from Access Analog and thought that Inspirata retained the most of that hardware's quality of any other plugin I compared it against. Probably posted about it here back when I did. THAT’S what I started the thread for…I knew I’d heard of some plug everyone was hyping as a “new standard.” (Not that I read Gearslutz) It was mainly on Vi-Control where they talked about it. I was asking the same question you are now, just doing Google searches to see what the consensus was regarding what plugin held up against the Bricasti the best. As I probably said in older threads, I got Inspirata Professional on a sale for over $300 and then they put all editions on sale for $100 like 10 days later. The one where you have to email for pricing wasn't included though. It definitely was the only one that retained the majority of the fullness of the Bricasti when I played them back to back using Access Analog. Inspirata uses a ton of cpu and isn't always the best choice, but it's always possible to make it work. Most of the time I use the SP2016. Inspirata is extremely versatile with all the different IRs and adjustable settings.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 25, 2024 15:32:57 GMT -6
Quite daunting to consider the big picture, things definitely have to be managed carefully. Who are we trusting to manage things carefully? Hopefully some people much better than we have in our current world governments...hah
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 25, 2024 4:44:32 GMT -6
I'm curious if anyone else has compared the Bricasti to Inspirata. That's the one people on forums say is closest to that Bricasti quality. I've tried them back to back using the Bricasti from Access Analog and thought that Inspirata retained the most of that hardware's quality of any other plugin I compared it against. Probably posted about it here back when I did.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 25, 2024 4:41:34 GMT -6
Made me think I'd have another 4-5 years to decide whether to bother doing anything with audio. But who knows when AI will be able to apply classic production styles to something someone recorded. There's certainly a lot to think about. Current thoughts from the coders are that we essentially have 6 years +/- until life as we know it is completely turned upside down. This is not just music, but society in general. Seems a bit quick, but the last 6 months of song AI has progressed exponentially, no matter what the naysayers may say. Buckle up. One of these days I have to get around to finishing the "Life in 2030" vid from Matt Griffin on Youtube. Quality of life now is worse than two decades ago in some ways. Seems that for a lot of people we need this technological revolution just to have access to some basic things again. Probably a lot of better stuff will happen too. Quite daunting to consider the big picture, things definitely have to be managed carefully.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 23, 2024 14:25:29 GMT -6
Can't say I have much to add. These AI-generated songs posted throughout this thread are pretty impressive. I can't tell they're AI. Modern music has become so formulaic and generic that it feels like it was made by an algorithm. When do you guys think this emphasis on formulas really took hold? I'm gonna say it started after American Idol. After 2002. The labels aren't about taking risks. And the more popular labels that sold Metal got, the more they tried to copy existing formulas and trends. I remember The End Records back when it was all sort of unique stuff 24+ years ago and I had to mail money orders in to buy stuff. Music does not have the significance that it once did. Before, if you scratched a cd, you were largely screwed. You'd have to buy another copy if you could even find one. More and more stuff that took a lot of effort for me to obtain keeps popping up on streaming. I never thought AOR like Nexx's Colours and Another Dawn would be easy to find 20 years after their release. And that's just the latest one to show up.
If I didn't mention it in any previous discussion, go check out Kurzweil on the Rogan podcast. He gives a much broader picture of the societal changes about to happen. There's no real going backwards overall. A lot of entertainment fans are going backwards though and pulling it off pretty well as creators in music and video. It's inevitable that eventually AI generates us all our own unique stuff. Creative industries aren't the only ones about to become more obsolete. There's so much more. UBI will probably be a big thing for the 2028 election season if it doesn't get setup before then. Money itself is going to be less and less relevant as new tech causes prices to plummet on just about everything. Right now we're seeing high prices and vastly reduced purchasing power compared to decades ago, but it's only temporary.
My guess is we start to see splits in society. Segments that want to keep tech at a certain level, sort of like an Amish mentality. Then other segments that want to transcend being a basic biological being and augment themselves with cybernetics and things like that. There shouldn't be much of an incentive for war and mass destruction since there won't be resource scarcity. Kurzweil was talking about 2029 being when AI really starts to equal higher human intelligence. Made me think I'd have another 4-5 years to decide whether to bother doing anything with audio. But who knows when AI will be able to apply classic production styles to something someone recorded. There's certainly a lot to think about. People will have a lot more freedom to use their time how they want while also not being constrained by lack of money. That will probably mean a lot more who want to work on music when they couldn't afford to before.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 23, 2024 4:51:07 GMT -6
Thanks to this thread I just started putting the Green PA Shadow Hills plugin all over everything. Now I'm doing buss compression with it and using it across the whole ITB mix. Compared it against a lot of other plugin compressors like Unisum, Mike-E, SSL Native Compressor 2, the things I used to use a lot. I ended up vastly preferring the Shadow Hills sound. Just the way it smooths things and organizes the stereo image. It's difficult for things to throw it off. The plugin still retains a lot of the characteristics of the hardware, I can largely set it the same way-though I've heard the first 50 serial numbers are much more colored than the production model that this plugin is probably based off of. Being able to switch those output transformers is very helpful too. Lots of people have said the plugin is not so great but I think it's actually very underrated. One of these days I may try running each track through the hardware and see what I think. But I still feel like ITB mixing is a different artform than mixing with hardware on tracks.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 21, 2024 10:24:59 GMT -6
The UAD Studer makes the kick better but sounds like crap on the cymbals. I compared it with U-he Satin presets. Satin sounds nicer on the cymbals with less of an obvious headbump on the kick but on some of the presets, it's easy to make the kick transients crap out the tape. Which of the presets do you like best? I usually go with GP9. When I need to save cpu, I'll use Tapedesk or Phoenix instead of Satin. Never driving either of those two all that much. Maybe I'll try subbing in UAD Studer. Whenever I do a new computer build, hopefully I'll be able to significantly increase the amount of mono Satin instances I can use.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 18, 2024 18:50:31 GMT -6
I'll second the recommendations for the Aurora N and VSX.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 15, 2024 18:50:14 GMT -6
If I ever got the chance to use a setup like Bill's, I imagine it would be a radically different experience and I'd have to learn what works and what doesn't. Could be. . All I know is that for me, there is no abandoning a true hybrid setup. There is MUCH more to mixing than just "sound" and sonics. Are you still using a lot of plugins? What's interesting is how hardware increases the dynamic range. The mix with the hardware-treated file was DR13 and the pure ITB mix was DR12. An experienced mastering guy once told me that the ITB mixes he received didn't really have much in the way of dynamics compared to hybrid or pure analog mixes he mastered. There was a few things I had to change up just adding these Shadow Hills plugins. The other thing with hybrid is that you have to be able to play the mix all the way through without the cpu running out of processing. So, I'm guessing most hybrid mixes are using something like AAX DSP or really efficient native stuff. If I recall, you've got a really great Pro Tools HD setup. A lot of times when I'm loading up instances of Satin, I'll be lucky if I can get five seconds of playback lol
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 14, 2024 18:38:39 GMT -6
I did a little experiment with this fan-made instrumental of Invaders by Iron Maiden that I recorded some vocals over years ago. One instrumental file had the Shadow Hills Green plugin and one the hardware. Opto and Discrete both on. Vocals just had the plugin on the mono tracks. Then I ran the hybrid mix and the ITB mix through the same hybrid master chain. What I found was that I could get a better balanced mix ITB and also compensate for the loss of the SH hardware on the instrumental track at the mastering stage. It sounded like the hardware was bringing a lot more transient energy than the plugin. Much more lively. Reminded me of what happens when you turn the input up on the SPL PQ plugin. And turning the PQ input up more on the ITB mix definitely allowed me to get that missing mojo back. But I did have to make a few different decisions in regard to balancing with the hybrid mix, so it wasn't a case of replacing the plugin with the hardware and using the same settings. What I'm finding is that the plugins generally preserve the signature character of what they're emulating. They're just tossing out a lot of the mojo. And I do find it significantly more challenging to blend hardware with plugins inside a mix.
If I ever got the chance to use a setup like Bill's, I imagine it would be a radically different experience and I'd have to learn what works and what doesn't. So, my approach at the moment is to observe what plugins and hardware bring to the table and find ways to make them compliment each other. It'd be interesting to really see what things cannot be compensated for.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 14, 2024 17:40:00 GMT -6
Has anyone here compared it with Satin? I just find that Satin outclasses all these other tape plugs. UAD Studer is not bad though and it does use a lot less cpu.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 14, 2024 1:53:45 GMT -6
If we're talking just the mixing stage:
Satin Dopamine Black Box MS PA 902 PA Green Shadow Hills
Because of this thread I tried the Shadow Hills on mono vocal tracks and it sounds a lot classier than the UAD 1176 Blue. Seems less peaky too. I had been using it on snares and instrumental tracks and gotten better results than the other compressors I was using lately.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 13, 2024 5:51:40 GMT -6
I hear there are people who buy legit software and then download cracked and hacked versions and use them instead . . . or so I've heard. They say the cracked versions work better. Less memory. There's still a few things I use that haven't been cracked. PA and Acustica protection are supposed to be the most intrusive and obstructive. I thought I left my Ilok 2 behind when I moved even though that and my flash drives were really important, so I got an Ilok3 before I found them in the suitcase. These were old suitcases I got at Goodwill that were not too intuitive in their designs. If my Ilok3 ever went down, does anyone here know if I could just erase and reuse the disabled Ilok2?
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 11, 2024 4:04:12 GMT -6
Ok.. I listened to these examples and think I can hear what dither is doing But I haven’t downloaded Mozzaik and tested on my own yet. Well.. first I noticed, the CD doesn’t sound great. Pretty mucked up. Probably cheap disk making these days. Next I noticed the HiRes sounds absolutely incredible. Piano and Rhodes(?) really sound great, cymbals full of air. So sad that the world refuses to admit higher res isn’t placebo. And make fun of bat ears etc when you try to mention it. What can you do. TPDF - I feel dynamics of the highs are similar to high res, so that’s nice. However the lows seem like they build up and push forward in a somewhat mucky way. Versus the HiRes it’s a little disappointing.. Mozzaik - I feel like the lows don’t get as mucked up as TPDF. So that is something welcome. The highs are less bright to me, less shine. So kind of opposite TPDF. I hope to do some tests soon My take away so far - I deal with this kind of frustration when I try to master things myself.. and now I guess I have to watch that Down sampling actually can and does screw up a great thing I think the hi-res thing matters most when the audio is coming from a DAW. On Tidal, if I listen to the 24-bit versions of classic albums and then a 16-bit of another classic, I don't feel like there's a real difference. But if it's a modern album done on a DAW, you definitely lose something in the conversion. So far, I've found that RX does the best job of not making it sound like the highs ran into a wall. Saracon has that issue. Converting 24 to 16 or 96k to 44k does compromise stuff done in a DAW for sure. And for the record, I'm only comparing high dynamic range versions of these older albums that somehow made it onto Tidal instead of remasters with all that unnecessary limiting. Stuff that's still in that DR12 category.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 9, 2024 19:57:59 GMT -6
Glad to hear you were able to get some quality care. You've shown you've got a lot of character and I'm very confident you'll tackle this.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 2, 2024 17:44:18 GMT -6
It's good that we investigate everything. As I understand it, this Mozzaik dither is a work in progress, so feedback here should be very useful. In comparing this with Good Dither last night, the Mozzaik can radically change the sound signature. Good Dither is pretty neutral, doesn't have an immediate wow factor or anything. What I'm finding now is that it gives me a lot more flexibility to adjust hardware and plugin settings. I was mainly using Maat Linpro for a while, and I don't recall being able to get away with cranking some things as much as I did last night with Good Dither on.
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Post by viciousbliss on Apr 1, 2024 3:39:50 GMT -6
I've saw this thread that viciousbliss started so I decided to put some thoughts. I like the sound of classical CDs recorded in 80s. I know that they used old equipment and measurements are not good as in modern electronics. Still I get amazed every time when I play these recordings on audio shows. I wanted to get that sound signature when listen to modern CDs. After more that 100 versions and one year of development and testing we came with this dither that has qualities that I like. That doesn't mean that other stuff is not good. I'm sure they are great. It is matter of preference and taste. Good to see you here Marko. So, it would be good for everyone to hear more about your approach here. It sounded unique. You mentioned noise shaping to me but it didn't sound like the usual problematic noise shaping we are used to. I've gone back and done some stuff all with Good Dither so I can do a more thorough comparison in just a bit. Are there specific classical recordings we should look at?
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Post by viciousbliss on Mar 19, 2024 20:03:33 GMT -6
I listened to it first before going back and reading the original thread from a few months ago so that I wouldn't be looking for anything specific in the sound. Others came to the same conclusion that I did when using the previous work in progress version(which doesn't preserve the punch and highs as much the for sale one, but is still ahead of Linpro and Good Dither). I'm not sure if Mozzaik is using TPDF or something else. They were talking about 1980s classical cds being the epitome of quality or something. Dan, I'd love to get your take on this one. John, if the Hilo's headphone section is anything like the Aurora N's, the dither differences are very noticeable. If I recall, that applied to VSX as well as the K701. Mozzaik posted clips on GS and those results are the same as I got when bouncing files with Mozzaik vs Cedar or Linpro.
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Post by viciousbliss on Mar 19, 2024 16:23:50 GMT -6
These guys have been working on this for a while and just released the official version a couple weeks back. It's not in AAX though and they're looking for something like 27 Euros a year as a subscription-only model. Well, I tried their demo and stacked it up against Maat Linpro and Good Dither. The result is that it retains far more of the punch and high frequencies that get lost when losing bits. Against the dither in Cedar Adaptive Limiter 2, same thing. It's doing something so the sound stays about as open as it did at the higher bitrate. But I find that I prefer to use the Cedar to go to 16-bit as while it sounds less clear and less energetic, it's more musical and cohesive. Sorta like applying a compressor that compresses the highs a little. With the Cedar at 24-bit and Mozzaik set to 16-bit afterwards, I felt like it was too dynamic. But I need to test it some more. I'm using this at the end of ITB mixes and before the first hardware insert. For me, it mitigates the things I don't like about dither plugins quite well. mozzaik-audio.com/You have to email support@mozzaik-audio.com to get the 30 day trial.
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Post by viciousbliss on Mar 12, 2024 16:50:30 GMT -6
I went back to the Black Box MS on sub-mixes after finding that I needed more energy. Maybe something sounded a little off with the phase in what I was doing. Took off the Softube Trident on most things too. The Black Box MS makes it easier for things to blend and also cuts out a lot of that mud. I'm talking just using it at the default settings for the most part. What happened was I was having a lot of trouble getting this guy's vocals to fit. He had printed some fx on them that made it more of a challenge. Just putting the Black Box back on everything made it fit and got the energy back again. Was struggling way too much to get the song to vibe.
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