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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 23, 2024 11:43:12 GMT -6
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Post by Shadowk on Apr 23, 2024 11:55:58 GMT -6
Sorry John but that sounds horrible to me, I’ll keep the red jacket on hold for now okay?
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Post by drumsound on Apr 23, 2024 11:57:45 GMT -6
But it has virtually limitless possibilities!!!
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Post by veggieryan on Apr 23, 2024 13:30:23 GMT -6
... just when you thought popular music couldn't get any worse.... sit back and let the geeks show you how bad the shlock can get.
limitless!!!
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Post by mcirish on Apr 23, 2024 13:31:31 GMT -6
The pricing could get very expensive if you really use it a lot. Not even a subscription. You pay by the second.
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Post by svart on Apr 23, 2024 13:36:31 GMT -6
Yeah it sounds bad right now.. But in 5 years this will be so good that they'll use it everywhere. Every movie will be AI generated and have a single person act and voice every character and just have someone digital create all the characters, etc.
And then albums will be AI generated with the same kind of stuff.
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Post by drumsound on Apr 23, 2024 13:43:12 GMT -6
Not even a subscription. You pay by the second. Seriously?
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Apr 23, 2024 13:47:19 GMT -6
Haha... "this is my voice" literally made me laugh out loud. I really want to make a parody of this.
However, that trumpet was pretty cool. I could have a lot of fun with that!
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 23, 2024 14:09:14 GMT -6
Shit - I thought it sounded unbelievable. I mean, it sounds like shit, but that's what the radio sounds like...
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Post by Quint on Apr 23, 2024 14:21:56 GMT -6
Where's the Tom Waits preset?
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 23, 2024 14:29:18 GMT -6
Where's the Tom Waits preset? There's a metal dude that sounds like it lol
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Apr 23, 2024 14:32:06 GMT -6
Where's the Tom Waits preset? There's a metal dude that sounds like it lol The metal dude (the first one) nearly had me do a spit take on my laptop. It is pretty impressive, but it's also so so bad. This inspired me to do some scatting into Studio One to convert to MIDI with Melodyne. Two takeaways. 1) This is really fun 2) I most certainly DO NOT have perfect pitch. This is a great way to emulate a synth player who accidentally put his wallet on the pitch wheel.
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Post by Quint on Apr 23, 2024 14:42:34 GMT -6
The kind of music I'm into probably can't as easily be mimicked by AI, because the people behind AI would have to have a commercial interest in spending the time and effort to train AI to mimic the sort of non-commercial stuff I like, such as a Tom Waits voice, for example. So the underground, niche music probably isn't in as immediate of danger, compared to the pop schlock shit that is commercial radio.
That said, AI is eventually going to come for the underground, more unique stuff too. And when that happens, who is going to continue to want to create that sort of music when there is zero opportunity to do it in any way that is even remotely sustainable as a career, considering how unsustainable it already is now for many artists? That's the worst part of all of this. I'd just ignore the AI shit, assuming that I had a way of knowing what was or wasn't AI, but the real artists will just be squeezed into dust until there is no real music left. I hope something can be done about all of this, but it's highly unlikely.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Apr 23, 2024 15:38:03 GMT -6
The kind of music I'm into probably can't as easily be mimicked by AI, because the people behind AI would have to have a commercial interest in spending the time and effort to train AI to mimic the sort of non-commercial stuff I like, such as a Tom Waits voice, for example. So the underground, niche music probably isn't in as immediate of danger, compared to the pop schlock shit that is commercial radio. That said, AI is eventually going to come for the underground, more unique stuff too. And when that happens, who is going to continue to want to create that sort of music when there is zero opportunity to do it in any way that is even remotely sustainable as a career, considering how unsustainable it already is now for many artists? That's the worst part of all of this. I'd just ignore the AI shit, assuming that I had a way of knowing what was or wasn't AI, but the real artists will just be squeezed into dust until there is no real music left. I hope something can be done about all of this, but it's highly unlikely. Well I think we're moving into the direction where artists will be sustained by benefactors and philanthropists. Which is actually how it used to be before music publishing so maybe it's kind of the natural state. Also of note, a true AI revolution will almost certainly usher in some sort of UBI as others have mentioned. So maybe, counterintuitively, all this AI stuff will lead to a new era of human creativity where the next Tom Waits' don't have to worry about commercial viability or making a living... they spend their lives pushing the boundaries of music and poetry and art with no concern for making a buck. Yes, I am an optimist in some ways. The way I see it is the "creative" space is overcrowded and cluttered with junk anyway. If the code jockeys can figure out a way to replicate the junk that makes up 95% of today's "releases" all the better for the remaining 5% that are getting crowded out by the weeds. This, of course, is under the assumption that I myself am among the 5%. But you know what? If I'm not? Great, I can stop wasting my time and find something else!
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Post by plinker on Apr 23, 2024 15:59:05 GMT -6
When you say, "Maybe time to look into real estate": are you talking about investing, or finding a cemetery to bury our careers/hobbies ??
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Post by Quint on Apr 23, 2024 16:03:58 GMT -6
The kind of music I'm into probably can't as easily be mimicked by AI, because the people behind AI would have to have a commercial interest in spending the time and effort to train AI to mimic the sort of non-commercial stuff I like, such as a Tom Waits voice, for example. So the underground, niche music probably isn't in as immediate of danger, compared to the pop schlock shit that is commercial radio. That said, AI is eventually going to come for the underground, more unique stuff too. And when that happens, who is going to continue to want to create that sort of music when there is zero opportunity to do it in any way that is even remotely sustainable as a career, considering how unsustainable it already is now for many artists? That's the worst part of all of this. I'd just ignore the AI shit, assuming that I had a way of knowing what was or wasn't AI, but the real artists will just be squeezed into dust until there is no real music left. I hope something can be done about all of this, but it's highly unlikely. Well I think we're moving into the direction where artists will be sustained by benefactors and philanthropists. Which is actually how it used to be before music publishing so maybe it's kind of the natural state. Also of note, a true AI revolution will almost certainly usher in some sort of UBI as others have mentioned. So maybe, counterintuitively, all this AI stuff will lead to a new era of human creativity where the next Tom Waits' don't have to worry about commercial viability or making a living... they spend their lives pushing the boundaries of music and poetry and art with no concern for making a buck. Yes, I am an optimist in some ways. The way I see it is the "creative" space is overcrowded and cluttered with junk anyway. If the code jockeys can figure out a way to replicate the junk that makes up 95% of today's "releases" all the better for the remaining 5% that are getting crowded out by the weeds. This, of course, is under the assumption that I myself am among the 5%. But you know what? If I'm not? Great, I can stop wasting my time and find something else! I'm more of a pessimist. 😄 I do hear what you're saying though. I'm in support of the notion that art is, in a perfect world, created without any notion of making money at all, but, realistically, I wonder how many artists can or will choose to still do so in the brave new world of AI and basically zero income from creating music.
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Post by upstairs on Apr 23, 2024 16:04:02 GMT -6
I don't like it but it does sound like something the kids are going to be into (they like some pretty messed up stuff if you haven't noticed)
Five years? Try six months. People will go wild with it. Fits perfectly into the dissociative kind of gestalt that's happenin'
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 23, 2024 16:27:30 GMT -6
Yeah. We're fucked. Here's the deal - there's always going to be human creation...but the large majority of places we are making money is probably about to get replaced by AI. I wouldn't doubt sync is over in 5 years. It's just the bottom line. Why pay through the nose when you can get it free? I guarantee you the PROs are going to get decimated by every restaurant that feels like ASCAP/BMI/SESAC has been raping them for decades. No way chains, malls, offices, etc aren't going to STOP playing music they have to pay for and start playing royalty free AI music.
I hate to be pessimistic, but we've hit a point where it's downhill from here. It's not that people won't create music, there just won't be a sustainable economy around it - unless people rebel. But the next time consumers fight for the right to pay for shit will be the first time. I'm sure we will figure things out...I'm sure people were screaming about the cotton gin or whatever back in the day...and we survived. That being said, it's only been a relatively short amount of time that making music could support you as a profession.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 23, 2024 16:39:01 GMT -6
Glad I put myself into debt for music school 😂😂
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Post by upstairs on Apr 23, 2024 16:51:31 GMT -6
I wonder if this will make people kneejerkingly start to disregard anything that's "too good" as being AI? Like, hey that's a really great voice, and that progression is pretty tidy...must be AI! No I swear, I wrote it myself! Yeah...sure you did, buddy...
And this sollidifies the value of the oldies catalogues, since only they are known to be free of computerized finagling. A permanent authenticity monopoly. Dun dun dun
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Post by indiehouse on Apr 23, 2024 17:03:32 GMT -6
I dunno. I’m feeling optimistic that the tide shifts toward authenticity. Vinyl record sales continue to increase. Then there’s live music. But I could see bands/performers using AI to write songs. Or at least ideate and reiterate. Music for film/shows/commercials? That could be different. I could see that music licensing taking a major hit.
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Post by lowlou on Apr 23, 2024 17:10:49 GMT -6
If all the ecosytem collapses but you still want to produce music on your own term, then now more than ever, you should buy real gear online. I sure know what I'm buying next.
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Post by upstairs on Apr 23, 2024 17:13:36 GMT -6
But I could see bands/performers using AI to write songs. Or at least ideate and reiterate. See that's the problem for me. That's just gross. I don't even wanna think about the idea of my new favorite album being half-written by some one-eyed vector field.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Apr 23, 2024 17:39:58 GMT -6
I dunno. I’m feeling optimistic that the tide shifts toward authenticity. This is the sense I get from watching the other "kids". My middle school aged kids are part of a tape swap group at school. They literally swap cassette tapes and mix tapes. That's just one example. As automation and AI gets better and better, the natural rebound is to see more value in things that can't possibly be automated. Human experience. So the smart ones here and elsewhere should be rethinking their business strategy to emphasize the types of things that AI saturated generations will crave in the future. Real experiences. Things that exist.
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Post by Shadowk on Apr 23, 2024 17:48:12 GMT -6
Shit - I thought it sounded unbelievable. I mean, it sounds like shit, but that's what the radio sounds like... I don't think you've got enough respect for the radio ..
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