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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 20, 2019 17:18:16 GMT -6
In single mode, I believe the attack is slower. double is more like the original and triple is faster...the releases are a little different in each mode.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 20, 2019 17:19:05 GMT -6
Exciting!! I've always favored single with fast to several clicks to the left depending on song and how much I want to hear my lungs gasping for air and rarely go more then 10db on myself, but routinely go deeper on more peaky, mid rangey singers. I just listen for the release. On some mics, especially ones with some top end, I love hearing the slight whistle I get through my front teeth, on flatter mics, like a 44, it can get really heavy fast. I once went way to far on a friend of mine that required some heavy d-essing in post. He was still happy. I dunno, I love the Retro Sta. Once the gleam wears off, I'll be interested to hear about how people fell the V stacks up against the Retro and if they are basically interchangeable. Yeah - the Retro is fantastic. Wasn't trying to bag on it. But this one is fantastic too and is $1200... |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 20, 2019 17:34:29 GMT -6
Hmm wonder if double is twice the single etc.with triple: it just seems a very unintuitive way to describe a sonic attribute: double what ?
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Post by swafford on Mar 20, 2019 17:41:57 GMT -6
Exciting!! I've always favored single with fast to several clicks to the left depending on song and how much I want to hear my lungs gasping for air and rarely go more then 10db on myself, but routinely go deeper on more peaky, mid rangey singers. I just listen for the release. On some mics, especially ones with some top end, I love hearing the slight whistle I get through my front teeth, on flatter mics, like a 44, it can get really heavy fast. I once went way to far on a friend of mine that required some heavy d-essing in post. He was still happy. I dunno, I love the Retro Sta. Once the gleam wears off, I'll be interested to hear about how people fell the V stacks up against the Retro and if they are basically interchangeable. Yeah - the Retro is fantastic. Wasn't trying to bag on it. But this one is fantastic too and is $1200... NP, didn't read it that way. I don't doubt it's great, I'm pretty sure when they are regularly available I'll pick up one and see for myself - I've already got some matched tube sets. |
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Post by swafford on Mar 20, 2019 17:48:23 GMT -6
Hmm wonder if double is twice the single etc.with triple: it just seems a very unintuitive way to describe a sonic attribute: double what ? I've never found anything particularly intuitive about the "Modes" and if they are triple or double something, it's probably in the design not the sonics. I hate it when people say this, but it really is twist the knobs, listen to what happens. I think the only time I used Triple and kept it was singing through a Shure silver bullet mic plugged into a Vintage 47 amp and then mic'd. It was distorted and hairy and perfect. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 20, 2019 19:12:48 GMT -6
I agree - don't think I've ever used Triple. And I definitely use Single on Bass. Used to use Double on vocals, but I could see using single with this unit most of the time.
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Post by jtc111 on Mar 20, 2019 19:28:56 GMT -6
I know the first five shipped with the 6386 tube but does it have the empty sockets to seat a pair of 6BA6 tubes? Everything after the first five will have sockets to go either way but I'm wondering if the first five have them also. The email made it sound to me like they don't.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 20, 2019 21:37:28 GMT -6
I know the first five shipped with the 6386 tube but does it have the empty sockets to seat a pair of 6BA6 tubes? Everything after the first five will have sockets to go either way but I'm wondering if the first five have them also. The email made it sound to me like they don't. Don’t think it does... |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 20, 2019 21:40:30 GMT -6
I think I like this a little better than the LA2A. I still think I prefer the Cl-B1 or the Retro 176, but man, that's pretty smooth. Maybe with a little HPF on the vocal it might be perfect.
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Post by Tbone81 on Mar 20, 2019 22:34:28 GMT -6
I liked the double the best overall but did like how the triple squashed the vocals in a nice way, but there was a hint of distortion in the triple that wasn’t as tonally pleasing to me.
I’m wondering though how similar it would be if you hit the vocals with a fast compressor and then into an la2a for saturated/creamier sound, if it would sound the same?
Would you mind posting the raw, uncompressed vocals for comparison?
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Post by Mister Chase on Mar 20, 2019 23:16:33 GMT -6
Sounds great. I'll have to save up for one.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 21, 2019 0:15:51 GMT -6
I liked the double the best overall but didnlikr how the triple squashed the vocals in a nice way, but there was a hint of distortion in the triple that wasn’t as tonally pleasing to me. I’m wondering though how similar it would be if you hit the vocals with a fast compressor and then into an la2a for saturated/creamier sound, if it would sound the same? Would you mind posting the raw, uncompressed vocals for comparison? The i would suggest keeping it off triple. Sounds the same on the retro on triple. Though I was compressing these harder than I normally would. |
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Post by Tbone81 on Mar 21, 2019 10:13:34 GMT -6
I liked the double the best overall but didnlikr how the triple squashed the vocals in a nice way, but there was a hint of distortion in the triple that wasn’t as tonally pleasing to me. I’m wondering though how similar it would be if you hit the vocals with a fast compressor and then into an la2a for saturated/creamier sound, if it would sound the same? Would you mind posting the raw, uncompressed vocals for comparison? The i would suggest keeping it off triple. Sounds the same on the retro on triple. Though I was compressing these harder than I normally would. Edited for typos, meant to say I Did like the triples compression, but that the slight saturation was a little heavy handed for me. |
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Post by Ward on Mar 21, 2019 10:41:23 GMT -6
The i would suggest keeping it off triple. Sounds the same on the retro on triple. Though I was compressing these harder than I normally would. Edited for typos, meant to say I Did like the triples compression, but that the slight saturation was a little heavy handed for me. That sounds like good treatment when recording an overly clean guitar amplifier! Or bass! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 21, 2019 10:58:50 GMT -6
I kind of like the faster attack. I need to try it without pushing the input so much.
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Post by indiehouse on Mar 22, 2019 5:05:14 GMT -6
Received the V-Comp yesterday. Got an Audioscape beer coozy, so that’s cool! I fired it up along with my Highland Dynamics BG2 and a Pro Replicas Rev A (w/NOS transformers) into a Stam LA2A MKII. Played around with a bunch of settings on a vocal. First, the V-Comp is nice! This is going to be a hot piece for Chris. The BG2 has chunkier switches, pots and meter. Just using better parts, though the BG2 is significantly more expensive, so I expect that. I think the BG2 sounds thicker. Granted, I realize they are not the same circuit, but I do hear of people selling their Sta in favor of the BG2. I kept it set to the American setting. Something is different about the metering between the two. The V-Comp can easily meter 10-15db reduction on peaks, whereas I really, and I mean really, had to crank the input of the BG2 to match it, and by then the BG2 was audibly compressing way more. Setting both units to the fastest release, the Vcomp releases way faster than the BG2. Like 1176 fast. Again, I know they are not the same circuit. It just makes me wonder how accurate the meter is on the V-comp? Also, it’s been awhile since I owned a Sta. I remember it being slower than the meter says on the V-Comp, similar to what the meter shows on the BG2.
But it still sounds really good. I think I might prefer the BG2. It’s got a bit more color to it and more full in the low mids. The Vcomp adds a nice sheen up top, so does the BG2. I’d say the Vcomp is more transparent.
As for the 1176/LA2A comparison, it was more aggressive and more mid forward. The other two were smooth.
I can post sound sound file when I get a bit more time. Working on a singer songwriter track, so maybe I can process one with the Vcomp, one with the BG2, one with a Chandler RS124, and one with the 1176/LA2A combo?
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 22, 2019 5:10:19 GMT -6
So all 3 were also going through the sa-2a?
Thx!
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Post by mike on Mar 22, 2019 6:47:15 GMT -6
Received the V-Comp yesterday. Got an Audioscape beer coozy, so that’s cool! I fired it up along with my Highland Dynamics BG2 and a Pro Replicas Rev A (w/NOS transformers) into a Stam LA2A MKII. Played around with a bunch of settings on a vocal. First, the V-Comp is nice! This is going to be a hot piece for Chris. The BG2 has chunkier switches, pots and meter. Just using better parts, though the BG2 is significantly more expensive, so I expect that. I think the BG2 sounds thicker. Granted, I realize they are not the same circuit, but I do hear of people selling their Sta in favor of the BG2. I kept it set to the American setting. Something is different about the metering between the two. The V-Comp can easily meter 10-15db reduction on peaks, whereas I really, and I mean really, had to crank the input of the BG2 to match it, and by then the BG2 was audibly compressing way more. Setting both units to the fastest release, the Vcomp releases way faster than the BG2. Like 1176 fast. Again, I know they are not the same circuit. It just makes me wonder how accurate the meter is on the V-comp? Also, it’s been awhile since I owned a Sta. I remember it being slower than the meter says on the V-Comp, similar to what the meter shows on the BG2. But it still sounds really good. I think I might prefer the BG2. It’s got a bit more color to it and more full in the low mids. The Vcomp adds a nice sheen up top, so does the BG2. I’d say the Vcomp is more transparent. As for the 1176/LA2A comparison, it was more aggressive and more mid forward. The other two were smooth. I can post sound sound file when I get a bit more time. Working on a singer songwriter track, so maybe I can process one with the Vcomp, one with the BG2, one with a Chandler RS124, and one with the 1176/LA2A combo?
Thanks for the feedback Indie, if you get the time, I'd love to hear the singer songwriter track through those 4 comp scenario's! |
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Post by indiehouse on Mar 22, 2019 8:00:08 GMT -6
So all 3 were also going through the sa-2a? Thx! Why would I do that? |
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Post by indiehouse on Mar 22, 2019 8:03:28 GMT -6
Received the V-Comp yesterday. Got an Audioscape beer coozy, so that’s cool! I fired it up along with my Highland Dynamics BG2 and a Pro Replicas Rev A (w/NOS transformers) into a Stam LA2A MKII. Played around with a bunch of settings on a vocal. First, the V-Comp is nice! This is going to be a hot piece for Chris. The BG2 has chunkier switches, pots and meter. Just using better parts, though the BG2 is significantly more expensive, so I expect that. I think the BG2 sounds thicker. Granted, I realize they are not the same circuit, but I do hear of people selling their Sta in favor of the BG2. I kept it set to the American setting. Something is different about the metering between the two. The V-Comp can easily meter 10-15db reduction on peaks, whereas I really, and I mean really, had to crank the input of the BG2 to match it, and by then the BG2 was audibly compressing way more. Setting both units to the fastest release, the Vcomp releases way faster than the BG2. Like 1176 fast. Again, I know they are not the same circuit. It just makes me wonder how accurate the meter is on the V-comp? Also, it’s been awhile since I owned a Sta. I remember it being slower than the meter says on the V-Comp, similar to what the meter shows on the BG2. But it still sounds really good. I think I might prefer the BG2. It’s got a bit more color to it and more full in the low mids. The Vcomp adds a nice sheen up top, so does the BG2. I’d say the Vcomp is more transparent. As for the 1176/LA2A comparison, it was more aggressive and more mid forward. The other two were smooth. I can post sound sound file when I get a bit more time. Working on a singer songwriter track, so maybe I can process one with the Vcomp, one with the BG2, one with a Chandler RS124, and one with the 1176/LA2A combo?
Thanks for the feedback Indie, if you get the time, I'd love to hear the singer songwriter track through those 4 comp scenario's! NP. I might also run things through my Foote P4DMS (VCA comp) and IGS 3U Tubecore (Fairchild-ish vari-mu). I have a comp problem, I know. It's actually more of a problem passing up killer deals on used gear. The V-Comp is one of the few pieces I have purchased new. BUT, I do need to sell something, if nothing else due to a lack of rack space. 3U is a lot of real estate. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Mar 22, 2019 8:16:24 GMT -6
Thanks for the feedback Indie, if you get the time, I'd love to hear the singer songwriter track through those 4 comp scenario's! NP. I might also run things through my Foote P4DMS (VCA comp) and IGS 3U Tubecore (Fairchild-ish vari-mu). I have a comp problem, I know. It's actually more of a problem passing up killer deals on used gear. The V-Comp is one of the few pieces I have purchased new. BUT, I do need to sell something, if nothing else due to a lack of rack space. 3U is a lot of real estate. How you like the tubecore? That comp is ony list high up there. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 22, 2019 8:26:09 GMT -6
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Post by indiehouse on Mar 22, 2019 8:34:26 GMT -6
More coffee and less reading too much into things. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 22, 2019 9:33:12 GMT -6
I don’t think I would want any more thickness than what the V-Comp added. And I didn’t really hear it adding any top - which was different than my experiences with the Retros. Weird. Wonder if the tubes being different makes that big a difference.
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Post by indiehouse on Mar 22, 2019 9:47:14 GMT -6
I don’t think I would want any more thickness than what the V-Comp added. And I didn’t really hear it adding any top - which was different than my experiences with the Retros. Weird. Wonder if the tubes being different makes that big a difference. Maybe I described it wrong. Maybe it was bringing forward the air that was already present in the vocal. I noticed the air in the vocal more so than in the 1176/LA2A chain. And I agree with you on the thickness. I'm right on the fence with it myself. On one hand, I like the fullness of it, and in comparison it makes the V-comp sound ever so slightly less weighty/solid. I was doing these comparisons while solo'd. I think the true test would be to hear what it does in the mix. |
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