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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 30, 2019 17:23:59 GMT -6
kcat said, "if it doesn’t feel right, it won’t be right and none of us need those feelings stepping up to the mic".
Now THAT'S the truth of the matter isn't it.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 30, 2019 18:02:31 GMT -6
Yeah...it might not work for him. No big deal. I don’t claim it’s damning when a Neumann doesn’t work on my voice.
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Post by lpedrum on Mar 30, 2019 18:05:50 GMT -6
I know you've only had the TG for a couple of days--but those are NOT the words I was hoping to hear. Pretty damning. Why is that damning? That’s a pretty strong and objective word. Well, I guess if one likes their mics scooped, bright, and with a top end that presents problems it's not damning. Still, I'm not taking one person's word for it, and for me the jury is still out on the TG until many others weigh in and I hear the results in mixes. I think you'd have to agree that most seasoned engineers and producers are looking for mics that flatter the human voice and not hype it. For me the "hyping" is done when needed during mixing. I give kudos to Chandler for thinking outside of the box. I guess time will time if adding processing directly to a mic is an actual benefit. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 30, 2019 18:16:45 GMT -6
Why is that damning? That’s a pretty strong and objective word. Well, I guess if one likes their mics scooped, bright, and with a top end that presents problems it's not damning. Still, I'm not taking one person's word for it, and for me the jury is still out on the TG until many others weigh in and I hear the results in mixes. I think you'd have to agree that most seasoned engineers and producers are looking for mics that flatter the human voice and not hype it. For me the "hyping" is done when needed during mixing. I give kudos to Chandler for thinking outside of the box. I guess time will time if adding processing directly to a mic is an actual benefit. Dude. You’re making that judgement from listening to Ragan’s clips? Seriously? Did you listen to my clips? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 30, 2019 18:19:40 GMT -6
It’s just funny because I sat in a room with Ryan Hewitt and about ten other engineers and everyone was blown away with it. While I don’t for one second doubt that it might just not work for Ragan...but if you don’t have first hand experience with it, how can you propagate that kind of judgement?
I’m no trying to sell anyone on this mic...It’s just kind of annoying.
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Post by lpedrum on Mar 30, 2019 18:23:10 GMT -6
Yeah...it might not work for him. No big deal. I don’t claim it’s damning when a Neumann doesn’t work on my voice. Except that Ragan's critique was not simply that it didn't fit his voice. He felt it sounded scooped, bright and had problems taming the top end, not only on vocals but on acoustic guitar--the two main purposes I would purchase the TG. Perhaps after a week's usage he'll weigh in with a changed opinion. But at the very least it's NOT the mic he hoped it to be. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 30, 2019 18:26:46 GMT -6
Yeah...it might not work for him. No big deal. I don’t claim it’s damning when a Neumann doesn’t work on my voice. Except that Ragan's critique was not simply that it didn't fit his voice. He felt it sounded scooped, bright and had problems taming the top end, not only on vocals but on acoustic guitar--the two main purposes I would purchase the TG. Perhaps after a week's usage he'll weigh in with a changed opinion. But at the very least it's NOT the mic he hoped it to be. So my experience with it means nothing. And btw - I’m not sure why that’s his experience. It was not at all mine or many others that used it. But hey man - it sounds like you’ve made up your mind. |
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Post by lpedrum on Mar 30, 2019 18:35:03 GMT -6
Well, I guess if one likes their mics scooped, bright, and with a top end that presents problems it's not damning. Still, I'm not taking one person's word for it, and for me the jury is still out on the TG until many others weigh in and I hear the results in mixes. I think you'd have to agree that most seasoned engineers and producers are looking for mics that flatter the human voice and not hype it. For me the "hyping" is done when needed during mixing. I give kudos to Chandler for thinking outside of the box. I guess time will time if adding processing directly to a mic is an actual benefit. Dude. You’re making that judgement from listening to Ragan’s clips? Seriously? Did you listen to my clips? Dude? Really? I AM NOT damning the mic. What I'm saying is that Ragan's initial opinion of the TG is damning. Calling a mic bright, scooped and having a problematic top end are the very same negative opinions that we've all stated about modern Neumanns, Telefunkens etc etc etc. time and time again on RGO. Yes, I did listen to your clips John. They were one reason I had high hopes for this mic. But I also value the opinions of others here too, such as Bill, who have strong reservations about the mic. Honestly, the TG is such a different animal I don't know if I could really know if I would value it until I had it in my own studio. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 30, 2019 18:39:44 GMT -6
I haven’t used the TG so take this with a pound of salt, I find it challenging simply getting the signal right at source with a stock mike, so I both think it amazing that you can dial in all those different sounds on the mike in real time and possibly daunting as hell:)
But, you must just have to trust your ears: right, when it sounds right: regardless the setting: it is right for that take ?!
So, the tg’s versitility is it’s strength.
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Post by drbill on Mar 30, 2019 18:42:04 GMT -6
Well, I guess if one likes their mics scooped, bright, and with a top end that presents problems it's not damning. Still, I'm not taking one person's word for it, and for me the jury is still out on the TG until many others weigh in and I hear the results in mixes. I think you'd have to agree that most seasoned engineers and producers are looking for mics that flatter the human voice and not hype it. For me the "hyping" is done when needed during mixing. I give kudos to Chandler for thinking outside of the box. I guess time will time if adding processing directly to a mic is an actual benefit. Dude. You’re making that judgement from listening to Ragan’s clips? Seriously? Did you listen to my clips? Hey John - can you point to those again? I didn't hear them and I don't know where they are. Thx!! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 30, 2019 18:42:40 GMT -6
Dude. Really? You completely passed judgement on it. “Not the words I was hoping to hear. Pretty damning.” I couldn’t care less whether you consider my opinion. I really, really don’t. I was just trying to figure out how you completely took one person’s opinion as the end all be all for everyone. But it’s cool man. You shouldn’t buy this mic. Just seems like there’s a little confirmation bias going on. realgearonline.com/post/186220 |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 30, 2019 18:52:43 GMT -6
Dude. You’re making that judgement from listening to Ragan’s clips? Seriously? Did you listen to my clips? Hey John - can you point to those again? I didn't hear them and I don't know where they are. Thx!! |
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Post by christopher on Mar 30, 2019 18:54:47 GMT -6
seriously, I thought Ragan was broadcasting from WNBC on howard with that mic
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Post by lpedrum on Mar 30, 2019 18:54:59 GMT -6
Dude. Really? You completely passed judgement on it. “Not the words I was hoping to hear. Pretty damning.” I couldn’t care less whether you consider my opinion. I really, really don’t. I was just trying to figure out how you completely took one person’s opinion as the end all be all for everyone. But it’s cool man. You shouldn’t buy this mic. Wow.... Not sure how we got here John. Let me try to back this up a bit and say what I think. I feel that Ragan's initial take IS damning because his critique is a common one of many modern LDCs. But that doesn't mean it's the only opinion I'll consider, just that his post and his clips were, as I said "Not the words I was hoping to hear." |
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Post by drbill on Mar 30, 2019 18:59:51 GMT -6
Thx John!! Didn't care for the first one too much - sounded affected in some kind of way. Filtered.... The second one was good. And you're right, no sibilance on your vox. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 30, 2019 19:09:51 GMT -6
Dude. Really? You completely passed judgement on it. “Not the words I was hoping to hear. Pretty damning.” I couldn’t care less whether you consider my opinion. I really, really don’t. I was just trying to figure out how you completely took one person’s opinion as the end all be all for everyone. But it’s cool man. You shouldn’t buy this mic. Wow.... Not sure how we got here John. Let me try to back this up a bit and say what I think. I feel that Ragan's initial take IS damning because his critique is a common one of many modern LDCs. But that doesn't mean it's the only opinion I'll consider, just that his post and his clips were, as I said "Not the words I was hoping to hear." I can see that’s the way you might have meant it. But the follow up with the “iWell, I guess if one likes their mics scooped, bright, and with a top end that presents problems it's not damning” was just kind of completely passing judgement on it. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 30, 2019 19:12:20 GMT -6
Thx John!! Didn't care for the first one too much - sounded affected in some kind of way. Filtered.... The second one was good. And you're right, no sibilance on your vox. The first one was type A all the way to the right. The most colored. Second one was one click to the right type a. |
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Post by chessparov on Mar 30, 2019 19:59:43 GMT -6
Does sound like "horses for courses". Another guy-"Kroc" at GS-with an exceptional Tenor voice (like John K. & Ragan), found the U67 RI to be the "soulmate" mic for him, over the REDD. I still strongly believe both the REDD and TG are first rate LDC's though.
My confirnation bias, is definitely weighted towards darker/old timey/vintage tone. U47-ish (M7)/C37-ish LDC & 44 ribbon style, end of the spectrum.
Chris
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 30, 2019 21:56:50 GMT -6
Sorry, lpedrum...don't mean to be cranky...there were just so many times at GS when people passed judgement before using the equipment. I see where you might have been implying "if" that experience is correct. It's just so far, in this thread, there have been three people that have had their hands on one and they all really liked it. One bad review and it's damning...See what I mean? |
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Post by swafford on Mar 31, 2019 4:39:26 GMT -6
Here are some of the takes Alex and I did a week ago. I bounced these down rather quickly and level matched the first peak...I think...it was a week ago! Anyway, full band mix only on System A 1-5 starting from the left when facing the knob. One set through the ULN8 pres (very clean) one set through a Coil CA-70, with the NFB dialed all the way counter clockwise (I guess that's zero NFB, what I call "that wide open tube sound".) No low cut. For reference there's a AEA44 take I did earlier in the day before Alex got there through the Coil. Mic always in the same position - my toes on a mark 12" from where the mic hangs, capsule/ribbon at mouth level, no pop filter. My room is well treated with enough reflections to give it some character and I'm coming off a week long battle with a fierce cold and my lungs were full of crap. ULN8 T1.mp3 (865.56 KB) ULN8 T2.mp3 (865.56 KB) ULN8 T3.mp3 (865.56 KB) ULN8 T4.mp3 (865.56 KB) ULN8 T5.mp3 (865.56 KB) |
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Post by swafford on Mar 31, 2019 4:42:09 GMT -6
Coil Audio Samples CA70 T1.mp3 (865.56 KB) CA70 T2.mp3 (865.56 KB) CA70 T3.mp3 (865.56 KB) CA70 T4.mp3 (865.56 KB) CA70 T5.mp3 (865.56 KB) AEA 44 Sample CA70 44.mp3 (826.18 KB) We also did a full take on System A/4 (4 clicks to the right when facing the knob). I gave a poorly mixed version to Alex (hey it was a long day!), but did another sh!tty mix the following day. This vocal is going through a RND 5033 with the HPF set around 80 -> the Retro Sta fastest release, single, with 10db peak GR. It might also be going through my 2 bus chain - Hendyamps Michelangelo with the mids slightly boosted and A Designs Nail just lighting up on peaks, but I don't really remember. Full Take TG Mic
The final one is the take I did this week through my current 'rock' (ahem) vocal chain - Beesneez T3 into a RCA BA31a cranked into the Coil Audio CA-70 (no NFB) -> RND 5033 HPF 80, LPF not sure, but rolled off -> Retro Sta set to double and 2nd fastest release. The 2 buss agaib is the Michelangelo -> Nail and a Fab Filter L2 on "Natural Limiting" (I think it's called) so it's averaging about 14LUFTS. Full Take Beesneez T3 |
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Post by Chad on Mar 31, 2019 9:48:43 GMT -6
Thx John!! Didn't care for the first one too much - sounded affected in some kind of way. Filtered.... The second one was good. And you're right, no sibilance on your vox. The first one was type A all the way to the right. The most colored. Second one was one click to the right type a. So, this is a great example of how the same mic can be "just right" for one person's voice, and "maybe not the best fit" for someone else. I like what I'm hearing on John's voice with the TG (especially the 2nd track, but they're both good). Seemed like a really good fit for you, John! Chad |
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Post by Guitar on Mar 31, 2019 11:44:06 GMT -6
Sounds really good!
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Post by aremos on Mar 31, 2019 13:12:08 GMT -6
Can anyone comment on if they’ve used both the REDD & the TG?
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Post by ragan on Mar 31, 2019 16:12:54 GMT -6
Ok here's another comparison. The 67 version is everything done with the 67 and the TG version is everything done with the TG. So you can hear some TG on 6 and 12 string acoustic guitar. Both through the Great River pres and both vocals getting a few dBs knocked off by the WA76. For the TG guitars, it was System B, flat, with the 50Hz HPF on. For the TG vocal, it was System B, NAB/IEC 7.5 ips (which I think is what people are calling position "1") also with the 50Hz HPF. On the 67, it was HPF on for guitars, off for vocals. drive.google.com/open?id=1daEQNew3UhAnXegENe6oHCSAmutl7b9Cdrive.google.com/open?id=1EAfxwMKNpLRDQYasu9vyEHApu38vsMp2 |
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