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Post by guitfiddler on Mar 15, 2019 5:37:51 GMT -6
Something irks me about that Recording magazine video. A few settings sound decent. I do have to say that I wouldn’t be putting that mic as close or that close to the sound hole on the acoustic to get my capture. I know this mic sounds much better than that video can display. I really don’t like videos where someone talks into a mic. I have to try it in my own environment to get a feel. Listening to John K’s vocal sample and Chandler’s drum capture sold this mic for me. I still have yet to demo it in my space.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 15, 2019 9:07:29 GMT -6
Well, we haven't heard a vocal through the TG or a comparison of vocals between the TG and the 87, so the story is quite incomplete. For me, vocals is where a mic in this price range stands or falls. The AKG does work better for that acoustic, that's no surprise, it's a amazing mic. The way I see it is once you're in the above $1,500 price range, I think it's probably being looked at as a main vocal mic first, anything above and beyond that is a bonus. Let's face it, few people buy a U87 as an acoustic guitar mic.
At a shootout event I attended comparing a vintage U67, vintage U87 and the Soyuz 0-17, and 0-19, 20 engineers and producers blindly chose the 0-19 for acoustic guitar, it was unanimous. That's a case of a vocal mic punching above its weight. The U67 was a very close second to my ears. It had that incredible unmistakable Beatles sound.
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Post by ragan on Mar 15, 2019 10:09:02 GMT -6
Well, we haven't heard a vocal through the TG or a comparison of vocals between the TG and the 87, so the story is quite incomplete. For me, vocals is where a mic in this price range stands or falls. The AKG does work better for that acoustic, that's no surprise, it's a amazing mic. The way I see it is once you're in the above $1,500 price range, I think it's probably being looked at as a main vocal mic first, anything above and beyond that is a bonus. Let's face it, few people buy a U87 as an acoustic guitar mic. At a shootout event I attended comparing a vintage U67, vintage U87 and the Soyuz 0-17, and 0-19, 20 engineers and producers blindly chose the 0-19 for acoustic guitar, it was unanimous. That's a case of a vocal mic punching above its weight. The U67 was a very close second to my ears. It had that incredible unmistakable Beatles sound. There are vocal samples in the VK video FYI. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 15, 2019 12:43:43 GMT -6
I missed them. Where are they again Ragan? (thanks)
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Post by Chad on Mar 15, 2019 12:47:08 GMT -6
I missed them. Where are they again Ragan? (thanks) I found it, Martin... |
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Post by shoe on Mar 15, 2019 13:19:41 GMT -6
I thought several of the settings sounded pretty good for the acoustic, actually. The 414 was more mellow but it did also feel a lot more bandwidth restricted (which might be desirable in a mix).
I think it sounded good on the voiceover as well, but was definitely in need of a pop filter. Of course that's to be expected from most any mic if you talk straight into it at close distance.
As far as electric guitars go, I think it was probably an accurate representation of that amp on the flat setting. I'm not sure how crazy I am about that amp's breakup, though. I'll be very curious to hear it on mine.
My overall impression of the mic is that it seems like it's pretty much meant to be very accurate to the source. You just need to make sure the source sounds good as well.
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Post by drbill on Mar 15, 2019 14:36:30 GMT -6
I was fairly gung-ho about the mic before I heard these recent guitar/bass clips. After those, it sounded like a smiley face scooped sound with various EQ's to add variety. Hopefully I'm wrong. But in those clips, the vintage mics sounded quite a bit more like what I would want to hear from the sources. You'd have to figure that with them being done at Chandler with the Chandler guys playing and micing, that they would have shown the TG in it's best light. Unfortunately it didn't sound that great to me. At least for what I was looking for. Hopefully I'm wrong. We all hear things differently, and we are all looking for different sounds....
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Post by ragan on Mar 15, 2019 15:19:30 GMT -6
I was fairly gung-ho about the mic before I heard these recent guitar/bass clips. After those, it sounded like a smiley face scooped sound with various EQ's to add variety. Hopefully I'm wrong. But in those clips, the vintage mics sounded quite a bit more like what I would want to hear from the sources. You'd have to figure that with them being done at Chandler with the Chandler guys playing and micing, that they would have shown the TG in it's best light. Unfortunately it didn't sound that great to me. At least for what I was looking for. Hopefully I'm wrong. We all hear things differently, and we are all looking for different sounds.... It sounds flat as a pancake to me when it doesn’t have EQ engaged. I agree that some of the EQ settings are less flattering than others, but every demo is just putting the mic in a spot and scrolling through them. Kind of random whether any of them sound good on that source in that spot. I always like the flat sound though. Mic’ing a drum kit it almost sounds impossible that it’s just the one mic you’re hearing. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 15, 2019 15:36:43 GMT -6
Well, I had two Neumann U47 FET's on loan from a friend a few years ago and decided to use them on nothing, not on vocals, not on guitar or bass or BV's. Like Ragan said, I found it to be dull.
So the TG mic is flatter sounding than a tube, but I still would like to hear it against a U87 on a male vocal with someone who can actually sing.
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Post by ragan on Mar 15, 2019 15:44:27 GMT -6
Well, I had two Neumann U47 FET's on loan from a friend a few years ago and decided to use them on nothing, not on vocals, not on guitar or bass or BV's. Like Ragan said, I found it to be dull. So the TG mic is flatter sounding than a tube, but I still would like to hear it against a U87 on a male vocal with someone who can actually sing. I meant the "flat as a pancake" thing in a good way. I'd bet that's how I use the TG on my voice. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 15, 2019 15:47:22 GMT -6
That's cool. I'm not a "flat" lover, but the TG does sound good to me, especially on that acoustic track. But then it may just be the piece of music the guitarist was playing.
Since the original U87 is the king of all FET's, it makes sense to compare the TG to the U87. I have a Soyuz 0-19 FET, and it's the best sounding mic I've heard on acoustics, especially a big full one. So, I'm covered for the FET thing. If I was starting over, I'd sure want to compare the TG. With all the options, it could be a true workhorse. Super strummy acoustic parts sound good on SDC's to me.
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Post by Guitar on Mar 15, 2019 16:13:28 GMT -6
I also thought the TG mic shined in the "flat" setting on most of the examples in the video that was posted.
There is probably some self-education you could do to find the best uses for the EQ settings in some tracking scenario.
I guess they just wanted a quick demo of what it can do, so sure, I'm fine with that.
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Post by ragan on Mar 15, 2019 16:33:01 GMT -6
Yeah for sure. I'm not faulting anyone for running through the EQ settings, I'd do the same. Just pointing out that that method isn't designed to get the best out of each setting, it's just showing us the effect of the EQ on a given static(ish) source.
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Post by drbill on Mar 15, 2019 16:49:11 GMT -6
Well, I had two Neumann U47 FET's on loan from a friend a few years ago and decided to use them on nothing, not on vocals, not on guitar or bass or BV's. Like Ragan said, I found it to be dull. I agree on the vocals / guitars for sure. Bass & Kick, I'd differ, but again, we're all looking for different things. In that video, the FET47 was anything but dull on the bass. It was the most open of the mic / mic settings IMO/ |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 15, 2019 17:47:45 GMT -6
I was recording at home, so my drums were Superior drummer. I've read for years about the 47 FET being THE kick drum mic, but if I wanted that kind of sound for a kick drum, I think I'd buy the Heiserman FET, EQ a little and save $2,500.
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Post by drbill on Mar 15, 2019 18:04:23 GMT -6
I was recording at home, so my drums were Superior drummer. I've read for years about the 47 FET being THE kick drum mic, but if I wanted that kind of sound for a kick drum, I think I'd buy the Heiserman FET, EQ a little and save $2,500. About 2-3 years ago I had a chance at one point to buy a vintage virtually unused Fet47 for 1/2 the going rate. A killer deal, but it just wasn't worth it to me. Since then, prices have gotten ridiculously stupid. IMO it's not a "must have" mic by any means. My $0.02, IMO, for me, with the mic closet I own..... |
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Post by reddirt on Mar 15, 2019 18:12:45 GMT -6
The really pertinent point for mine is that it's not appropriate to mic a source with 2 mics from the same point and declare one better than the other; the 'winner' is only perhaps more suitable at that particular position.
Different mics have optimum positions on particular instruments; my km84 sounds very average often at the approx position of the 414/ Chandler recording for example.
For mine I can tell the Chandler is inherently very good so there's no way I'd accept that position on the acoustic as being it's final word.
A second smaller point is we are comparing this mic with legends costing x times more and expecting it to at least match if not trump them - personally I think in the flat position it's easily good enough to be the same race though.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by Guitar on Mar 15, 2019 18:21:23 GMT -6
I was recording at home, so my drums were Superior drummer. I've read for years about the 47 FET being THE kick drum mic, but if I wanted that kind of sound for a kick drum, I think I'd buy the Heiserman FET, EQ a little and save $2,500. I agree -- for me I'd go with the Heiserman, knowing what I know now. Currently on kick out I use an M88TG which I bought for $200! It sounds incredible. |
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Post by spock on Mar 15, 2019 19:48:40 GMT -6
Hey guys,
I was saving this until the morning, however... Here's the TG Microphone vs vintage / historic Neumann U47 on drums overhead, recorded at Abbey Road Studios through 1081 preamps, no processing; this is one of Abbey Road's prime historic U47s. Side note...at the very end during the logos, that's TG mic on kick and snare from the overview video.
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Post by drbill on Mar 15, 2019 20:15:09 GMT -6
spock - Do you have pics of mic placement with both mics up?
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Post by spock on Mar 16, 2019 7:28:05 GMT -6
spock - Do you have pics of mic placement with both mics up? There's 3 pictures in the video, however, the one at 9 seconds shows looking up from the kit, and you can see the U47 and TG Mic side by side. |
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Post by ragan on Mar 16, 2019 9:39:30 GMT -6
spock - Do you have pics of mic placement with both mics up? There's 3 pictures in the video, however, the one at 9 seconds shows looking up from the kit, and you can see the U47 and TG Mic side by side. Heh. You mean the ones that strobe by for 1/10 second?? |
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Post by spock on Mar 16, 2019 10:08:31 GMT -6
There's 3 pictures in the video, however, the one at 9 seconds shows looking up from the kit, and you can see the U47 and TG Mic side by side. Heh. You mean the ones that strobe by for 1/10 second?? lol keeping with the beat and things short... but yah, just pause it. This was recorded by Abbey Road engineers; I have the same setup different beat on one of there vintage U67s coming too... |
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Post by ragan on Mar 16, 2019 10:37:31 GMT -6
Excellent. I think the TG truly sounds like a remarkable microphone.
Now if only Sweetwater would get one to ship me...
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Post by spock on Mar 16, 2019 12:41:40 GMT -6
Excellent. I think the TG truly sounds like a remarkable microphone. Now if only Sweetwater would get one to ship me... Who's your guy there and when did you order? a few more went out this week. |
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