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Post by bram on Jul 10, 2018 23:14:40 GMT -6
On the subject of makeup gain, all the talk has been about getting the 6dB back in hardware land. Anything wrong with just adding it back with clean boost in the DAW?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 11, 2018 8:20:36 GMT -6
On the subject of makeup gain, all the talk has been about getting the 6dB back in hardware land. Anything wrong with just adding it back with clean boost in the DAW? Nope... |
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Post by bram on Jul 13, 2018 17:43:41 GMT -6
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Post by Guitar on Jul 13, 2018 18:04:43 GMT -6
Wow! I love the density of this build/design.
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Post by bram on Jul 13, 2018 18:06:35 GMT -6
Wow! I love the density of this build/design. Packed full with an efficient use of space. 👍 |
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Post by Ward on Jul 14, 2018 12:19:22 GMT -6
Wow! I love the density of this build/design. Packed full with an efficient use of space. 👍 I have a buddy of nine (former protege) building one now . . . I mean this in the kindest way possible: Y'ALL CAN HAVE IT!! LOL |
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Post by bram on Jul 14, 2018 18:17:23 GMT -6
Packed full with an efficient use of space. 👍 I have a buddy of nine (former protege) building one now . . . I mean this in the kindest way possible: Y'ALL CAN HAVE IT!! LOL Yeah it’s a serious project. I lost steam about 30 hours in. Second wind arrived yesterday, hoping to be finished Mon/Tues. Approaching the last 4 boards in a more efficient manner. |
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Post by scotthammond on Jul 15, 2018 21:13:04 GMT -6
I'm Ward's buddy that's building one. Started Friday evening and by lunchtime today I put all the back end stuff in the chassis. I will say that I thought about killing myself a couple of times when soldering up the back plane....hahaha. I think I may build the op-amps tomorrow after some mix recalls. Bram, I've been tuning in to see your progress, looking great man!
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Post by bram on Jul 16, 2018 1:19:55 GMT -6
I'm Ward's buddy that's building one. Started Friday evening and by lunchtime today I put all the back end stuff in the chassis. I will say that I thought about killing myself a couple of times when soldering up the back plane....hahaha. I think I may build the op-amps tomorrow after some mix recalls. Bram, I've been tuning in to see your progress, looking great man! Thanks Scott! Yes, the back pane was the first place I started to feel the grind. Keep up the good work, it’s totally doable. How many channels are you building? I’ve got about 2 hours left of the build: switches, transformers, and LEDs . Audio-gods willing I’ll be wrapped up tomorrow. For the last 4 channel cards I decided to work on them all simultaneously (ie install diodes on all 4 cards before moving on to resistors on all, then caps, etc...). It’s been a lot faster for me to work in an assembly line fashion by prepping (bending/shaping), for example, all resistors of the same value first before placing them on the boards, instead of: bend, install, cut, bend, install, cut, solder etc... that’s a lot of extra movements that add up time and effort by picking up and putting down the snips/iron hundreds of times over. Maybe this is all common practice for those who work with electronics day in and out, but I’ve found by doing all the shaping of axial components in one go, putting ‘em in a small box, installing them, placing tape over the components, cutting all the leads before soldering, then soldering them all in one swoop to be very energy and time efficient, as well as being easy to keep track of where I’m at in the progression. |
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Post by scotthammond on Jul 16, 2018 13:37:27 GMT -6
I'm Ward's buddy that's building one. Started Friday evening and by lunchtime today I put all the back end stuff in the chassis. I will say that I thought about killing myself a couple of times when soldering up the back plane....hahaha. I think I may build the op-amps tomorrow after some mix recalls. Bram, I've been tuning in to see your progress, looking great man! Thanks Scott! Yes, the back pane was the first place I started to feel the grind. Keep up the good work, it’s totally doable. How many channels are you building? I’ve got about 2 hours left of the build: switches, transformers, and LEDs . Audio-gods willing I’ll be wrapped up tomorrow. For the last 4 channel cards I decided to work on them all simultaneously (ie install diodes on all 4 cards before moving on to resistors on all, then caps, etc...). It’s been a lot faster for me to work in an assembly line fashion by prepping (bending/shaping), for example, all resistors of the same value first before placing them on the boards, instead of: bend, install, cut, bend, install, cut, solder etc... that’s a lot of extra movements that add up time and effort by picking up and putting down the snips/iron hundreds of times over. Maybe this is all common practice for those who work with electronics day in and out, but I’ve found by doing all the shaping of axial components in one go, putting ‘em in a small box, installing them, placing tape over the components, cutting all the leads before soldering, then soldering them all in one swoop to be very energy and time efficient, as well as being easy to keep track of where I’m at in the progression. Hey Bram, I'm building a 16 X 2....for now. I've all but taken the last 30 hours away from it but I'm looking forward to getting back to it this evening. Up to this point I've only had to deal with the output boards for the A Bus as duplicate but I also populated all slots with components first on those and plan to do the same for getting into all that's left! You might even have yours done by the time you see this reply, which is awesome! I'm enjoying the build but am also looking forward to the end of it and using this magnificent beast! Good luck with the rest of your build if you're not already completed! Scott |
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Post by bram on Jul 16, 2018 14:23:47 GMT -6
For sure, it helps to know there will be an awesome piece of gear waiting for us at the end of the build! I'll be getting to the bench in a few hours to finish up this evening.
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Post by bram on Jul 20, 2018 19:27:17 GMT -6
After a short delay (I was missing a piece of hardware. Jeff got me sorted out quickly. Thank you!) the build is complete: Attachment DeletedAttachment DeletedTotal build time for 16x2: 59 hours I'm in the process of rewiring the studio, but once that's done I plan on posting some sonic examples and ACA Opamp differences. cheers Full photo album: CAPI Sumbus Build |
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Post by b0b0 on Jul 22, 2018 12:31:05 GMT -6
Just chiming in to say how much I’m enjoying reading about this. I’m using a D-Box today, usually into 2x vp28’s. Really has me thinking about a 16x2 setup. Not sure if the SB1 or SB2 is best for my workflow....gotta think on it and hope to see more people’s experiences before deciding!
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Post by jsteiger on Jul 22, 2018 16:53:11 GMT -6
Just chiming in to say how much I’m enjoying reading about this. I’m using a D-Box today, usually into 2x vp28’s. Really has me thinking about a 16x2 setup. Not sure if the SB1 or SB2 is best for my workflow....gotta think on it and hope to see more people’s experiences before deciding! I am really not sure when the SB1 channels will be released. I would like to recoup some investment back with the SB2's first plus I have a bunch of other things that are more pressing IMO. |
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Post by b0b0 on Jul 22, 2018 16:59:00 GMT -6
Just chiming in to say how much I’m enjoying reading about this. I’m using a D-Box today, usually into 2x vp28’s. Really has me thinking about a 16x2 setup. Not sure if the SB1 or SB2 is best for my workflow....gotta think on it and hope to see more people’s experiences before deciding! I am really not sure when the SB1 channels will be released. I would like to recoup some investment back with the SB2's first plus I have a bunch of other things that are more pressing IMO. Very much appreciate the candour, and the desire to recap investment! ...this might make the purchasing decision easier for me  |
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 23, 2018 8:56:00 GMT -6
I still might wait for a SB1x8/SB2x16X4 version if that ever happens...
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Post by b0b0 on Jul 23, 2018 11:02:15 GMT -6
I still might wait for a SB1x8/SB2x16X4 version if that ever happens... Why is that, curiously? ie. What workflow element would you be looking to achieve with both the SB1 AND the SB2? To submix from teh SB1 into the 2? |
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Post by b0b0 on Jul 23, 2018 11:06:36 GMT -6
I’ve gotten it working...I’m still figuring out the best process. Right now, I’m mixing into the sumbus, back in through my pair of still to be announced (soon) pres and printing that track. Then mastering that stereo file. For small stuff I’ll just bounce that mastered track itb. For more important stuff, I’ll print that track with the itb mastering running line level through the pres...then export the wav file. Hey John - curiously; prior to this, did you ever do any analog summing? Curious to know if the 8x2 experience thus far is comparable to any other summing experience... |
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 23, 2018 11:54:27 GMT -6
I still might wait for a SB1x8/SB2x16X4 version if that ever happens... Why is that, curiously? ie. What workflow element would you be looking to achieve with both the SB1 AND the SB2? To submix from teh SB1 into the 2? I think having 8ch with the ablity to pan analog would just be awesome. You can also mix those signals to the busses different if you wanted. So if you have 2 busses you could send your vocal hotter to one buss than the other. Be cool to have 8ch of the SB1 and 16ch of SB2 in one unit. Likely end up with a 32x4 though. |
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Post by ericn on Jul 23, 2018 20:59:57 GMT -6
Just chiming in to say how much I’m enjoying reading about this. I’m using a D-Box today, usually into 2x vp28’s. Really has me thinking about a 16x2 setup. Not sure if the SB1 or SB2 is best for my workflow....gotta think on it and hope to see more people’s experiences before deciding! I am really not sure when the SB1 channels will be released. I would like to recoup some investment back with the SB2's first plus I have a bunch of other things that are more pressing IMO. What ? And here I thought CAPI was a tax dodge for the Steiger family empire 😳 Seriously though we would all like to see you recoup some of that investment and what else has been keeping you busy. If |
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Post by Guitar on Jul 23, 2018 21:27:44 GMT -6
I am really not sure when the SB1 channels will be released. I would like to recoup some investment back with the SB2's first plus I have a bunch of other things that are more pressing IMO. What ? And here I thought CAPI was a tax dodge for the Steiger family empire 😳 Seriously though we would all like to see you recoup some of that investment and what else has been keeping you busy. If This is a good post I especially like "If" :-D |
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Post by mdr on Sept 4, 2018 23:27:36 GMT -6
How are everyone's ACAs going? Any updates on builds or mixes you can share? Would love to hear some more.
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Post by bartacusad on Sept 5, 2018 10:56:36 GMT -6
How are everyone's ACAs going? Any updates on builds or mixes you can share? Would love to hear some more. I use mine almost everyday and it is killer! The best thing to do would be contact Jeff and get one of his demo units. No matter the mixer the sonic API signature will be there but we all create our own sound with it. You’ll love it! I do have plenty of mixes I could let you hear but I’m not sure you’d be able to understand what the SumBus is doing for the mix. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 5, 2018 13:50:24 GMT -6
How are everyone's ACAs going? Any updates on builds or mixes you can share? Would love to hear some more. I use mine almost everyday and it is killer! The best thing to do would be contact Jeff and get one of his demo units. No matter the mixer the sonic API signature will be there but we all create our own sound with it. You’ll love it! I do have plenty of mixes I could let you hear but I’m not sure you’d be able to understand what the SumBus is doing for the mix. Yeah - I’m using 8 channels of it for more important mixes. You can hear a more relaxed, wider, deeper sound. Btw - Bart, thanks for the input on not hitting it very hard. Really opened it up. And cranking the output on the pres and then pulling adding input as needed. I’m actually going to start tracking some vocals that way too. |
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Post by bartacusad on Sept 7, 2018 19:06:03 GMT -6
I use mine almost everyday and it is killer! The best thing to do would be contact Jeff and get one of his demo units. No matter the mixer the sonic API signature will be there but we all create our own sound with it. You’ll love it! I do have plenty of mixes I could let you hear but I’m not sure you’d be able to understand what the SumBus is doing for the mix. Yeah - I’m using 8 channels of it for more important mixes. You can hear a more relaxed, wider, deeper sound. Btw - Bart, thanks for the input on not hitting it very hard. Really opened it up. And cranking the output on the pres and then pulling adding input as needed. I’m actually going to start tracking some vocals that way too. Awesome! Glad it worked for ya! Here's a new one to try if you haven't yet per Jeffs suggestion: Instead of turning up the mic pre for your make up gain, try turning up the Channel Fader gain. It's a slightly different sound and well worth experimenting with. Also, I have been experimenting with hitting the SumBus just a tad harder (maybe 1.5dB) and then hitting the VP28s a tad harder and backing down the input to my Burl B2 A/D by 2dB so that everything is hitting those transformers a couple dB hotter and man I gotta say, I'm really digging it. Sometimes it's a bit over the top but sometimes it really glues things together incredibly well. I just ran an ITB mix into the Sumbus chain with that setting and it absolutely destroyed the ITB mix. It just sounds freaking ANALOG!! Imagine that! Haha! The main difference was how wide the vocal became and how clear the drums and bass were. Gotta love it! |
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