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Post by Blackdawg on Aug 9, 2021 19:05:17 GMT -6
There were originally supposed to be two versions of the sum bus, IIRC - a 16 & a 32?? Never saw a kit available for the 16, though I may be wrong. Curious about that.... yeah that one had pan pots and "faders" too.  \ Still a nice photo of it on the site. I was hoping one day there would be on with 8ch of the Sumbuss 16 and then 16 of the Sumbuss32 all in one chassis. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Aug 10, 2021 18:01:04 GMT -6
There were originally supposed to be two versions of the sum bus, IIRC - a 16 & a 32?? Never saw a kit available for the 16, though I may be wrong. Curious about that.... yeah that one had pan pots and "faders" too. \ Still a nice photo of it on the site. I was hoping one day there would be on with 8ch of the Sumbuss 16 and then 16 of the Sumbuss32 all in one chassis. The one with pan pots and fader knobs is the one I would personally be more interested in. Did that one never make it to market? |
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Post by Blackdawg on Aug 10, 2021 19:34:21 GMT -6
yeah that one had pan pots and "faders" too. \ Still a nice photo of it on the site. I was hoping one day there would be on with 8ch of the Sumbuss 16 and then 16 of the Sumbuss32 all in one chassis. The one with pan pots and fader knobs is the one I would personally be more interested in. Did that one never make it to market? It did not. Not yet anyways. I think Jeff plans or planned to. He was just recouping costs fr it all first I think I read somewhere. Idk. Hopefully the man himself will comment on that. I thought I'd be more interested in it too but honestly workflow wise the 32 is better for me. Simpler. Although the 16 would be more versatile in a lot if cool ways. |
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Post by keymod on Aug 11, 2021 10:23:46 GMT -6
I probably would have built the 16, as pictured
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 12, 2021 9:34:37 GMT -6
Love mine, put it in the middle rack of my desk, even though the settings stay fixed, I wanted it at the centre of everything lol 32 channels of HN2503+1731 ... it rules, gives a sound I was searching for since recording on an api desk, glues it all for rock and roll I just dont get from DAW. Billy from Audibility Recording made mine and he was great to work with. Attachments:
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 12, 2021 11:08:00 GMT -6
Bat do you ever find yourself pushing level and sources into the CAPI for benefit like one would push a console? I do for sure, but I'm not sure my perspective would be the most accurate from the console angle. I've recorded on many as an artist but not sure how the SumBus relates to LFC's.
Typically, I'm driving the front end mics and preamps.
The SB is 100% the reason I think our recent releases sound a bit smoother, as I'd like to think they do. It does a thing, the glue and all on the way in. And it's really flexible mono/stereo and two buses. Hope that's helpful.
Hey Bat, so you track through yours? I might have to try that! I've only used it for mixing. also more detail on my mix down setup, I'm feeding mine with two apollo x16s and than using silver bullet and sometimes a comp before printing back through an dangerous AD+ ... I have an ampex 351-2 I plan on printing final mixes from the sum bus on eventually too. |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Aug 13, 2021 11:45:26 GMT -6
Hey Bat, so you track through yours? I might have to try that! I've only used it for mixing. also more detail on my mix down setup, I'm feeding mine with two apollo x16s and than using silver bullet and sometimes a comp before printing back through an dangerous AD+ ... I have an ampex 351-2 I plan on printing final mixes from the sum bus on eventually too. Hey shakermaker, I don't track through mine, actually. I just meant driving a bit on the way into the SumBus. Where the SumBus comes in for tracking is that I use the B bus to go direct to my monitor controller for tracking without the latency introduced by everything on my 2bus chain. That's a great setup! Same type of approach on my end except I use Burl for all AD/DA. That Ampex sounds awesome to try! |
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 12, 2022 11:24:42 GMT -6
Hey Bat, so you track through yours? I might have to try that! I've only used it for mixing. also more detail on my mix down setup, I'm feeding mine with two apollo x16s and than using silver bullet and sometimes a comp before printing back through an dangerous AD+ ... I have an ampex 351-2 I plan on printing final mixes from the sum bus on eventually too. Hey shakermaker , I don't track through mine, actually. I just meant driving a bit on the way into the SumBus. Where the SumBus comes in for tracking is that I use the B bus to go direct to my monitor controller for tracking without the latency introduced by everything on my 2bus chain. That's a great setup! Same type of approach on my end except I use Burl for all AD/DA. That Ampex sounds awesome to try! Sup man! You still using your silver bullet for make up gain after your sum bus? I was going through the manual and realized there is a folcum mode one can access by moving a couple jumper cables under the hood. Is that how you have yours setup? It's suppose to be for passive summing mixes. I've tried lots of diff ways to get the best of the silver bullet post sumbus. still searching haha, any insight on your flow would be super appreciated! cheers |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Sept 12, 2022 15:17:35 GMT -6
Hey shakermaker , I don't track through mine, actually. I just meant driving a bit on the way into the SumBus. Where the SumBus comes in for tracking is that I use the B bus to go direct to my monitor controller for tracking without the latency introduced by everything on my 2bus chain. That's a great setup! Same type of approach on my end except I use Burl for all AD/DA. That Ampex sounds awesome to try! Sup man! You still using your silver bullet for make up gain after your sum bus? I was going through the manual and realized there is a folcum mode one can access by moving a couple jumper cables under the hood. Is that how you have yours setup? It's suppose to be for passive summing mixes. I've tried lots of diff ways to get the best of the silver bullet post sumbus. still searching haha, any insight on your flow would be super appreciated! cheers Hey man! I'm using a TwinFlicks after the SumBus. Gets a little tricky as there's no link mode but it sounds cool to me. I would definitely give that mode a try with the SB though. |
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 12, 2022 15:23:17 GMT -6
Ah very cool. Yeah, I actually flipped it over today to folcom mode. Wasn't sure if it was confirmation bias but everyone agreed it sounded ALOT better than how I had it on mix mode. Wider, bigger, deeper ... so than I did a print, flipped and did another print. Def sounds better to me going thro the mic lines.
Wish I read the manual months ago! lol
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Sept 12, 2022 15:48:20 GMT -6
That's awesome, man! Like getting a whole new piece of gear. Very cool and interesting on the imaging.
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 15, 2022 8:26:13 GMT -6
I had a bit of back and fourth with the guys at wesaudio (super helpful and awesome btw!)) and I think the ngLeveler is the perfect solution to put just before the sum bus ... you're able to stack as many as you need, so I can have 32 channels of ngLevler, and it integrates with HUI so my SSL UF8 controller can control it (flipping back and fourth to ngLeveler and daw with button) and I can write automation for the ngLever with the controller. amazing! This solves the issue of automating the faders post compression/eq ... with the xbay I can easily route hardware than automate/set level with the ngLeveler before hitting the sum bus
DA - > xbay -> outboard comps/eqs etc -> ngleveler (automation, levels) -> sumbus
awesomeness! well minus the 2k per unit part ugh haha
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Sept 15, 2022 8:54:31 GMT -6
I had a bit of back and fourth with the guys at wesaudio (super helpful and awesome btw!)) and I think the ngLeveler is the perfect solution to put just before the sum bus ... you're able to stack as many as you need, so I can have 32 channels of ngLevler, and it integrates with HUI so my SSL UF8 controller can control it (flipping back and fourth to ngLeveler and daw with button) and I can write automation for the ngLever with the controller. amazing! This solves the issue of automating the faders post compression/eq ... with the xbay I can easily route hardware than automate/set level with the ngLeveler before hitting the sum bus DA - > xbay -> outboard comps/eqs etc -> ngleveler (automation, levels) -> sumbus awesomeness! well minus the 2k per unit part ugh haha Looked into that unit as well and it seems like such a cool solution. My current setup is a similar approach, just no automation outside the box: 16-channels DA -> Flock 64 -> Speck viaFADER 16 -> summing |
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Post by Blackdawg on Sept 15, 2022 10:36:45 GMT -6
I had a bit of back and fourth with the guys at wesaudio (super helpful and awesome btw!)) and I think the ngLeveler is the perfect solution to put just before the sum bus ... you're able to stack as many as you need, so I can have 32 channels of ngLevler, and it integrates with HUI so my SSL UF8 controller can control it (flipping back and fourth to ngLeveler and daw with button) and I can write automation for the ngLever with the controller. amazing! This solves the issue of automating the faders post compression/eq ... with the xbay I can easily route hardware than automate/set level with the ngLeveler before hitting the sum bus DA - > xbay -> outboard comps/eqs etc -> ngleveler (automation, levels) -> sumbus awesomeness! well minus the 2k per unit part ugh haha This was my plan with the SOLO8 VCA boxes from DAWtomation. But that company barely lasted a year seems like. So the ngLeveler is on my list instead now. |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Sept 15, 2022 21:42:12 GMT -6
The ngLeveler looks like an awesome solution. I can vouch for their software which I used with the ngBusComp for about a year (still have it, just on the sideline for now). Both are rock solid.
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Post by tahoebrian5 on Mar 20, 2023 15:08:08 GMT -6
I just bought a 16x2 used from reverb. Apparently it has a couple issues but the price was right so I’ll have my tech go through it. Pretty excited to incorporate this into my setup! I’m planning to run the signal out of the sumbus into my audioscape golden 58 for the makeup gain, then thru the AS Buscomp. I just need a good stereo eq and my mixdown 2bus setup should be sounding solid.
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Post by tasteliketape on Mar 20, 2023 16:53:46 GMT -6
I just bought a 16x2 used from reverb. Apparently it has a couple issues but the price was right so I’ll have my tech go through it. Pretty excited to incorporate this into my setup! I’m planning to run the signal out of the sumbus into my audioscape golden 58 for the makeup gain, then thru the AS Buscomp. I just need a good stereo eq and my mixdown 2bus setup should be sounding solid. I running that exact chain . For now the only outboard eq’s I have are IA LH95 pair and Electrodye 511 pair . So I’m looking for a stereo eq for buss duties. As you said this is a solid chain . Hendyamps Michelangelo Eq in RGO classifieds would be great ! |
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Post by Blackdawg on Mar 21, 2023 21:27:58 GMT -6
My plan when I get one is to use the silver bullet on the make up gain. Seems like the ideal unit for that duty.
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