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Post by shakermaker on Sept 1, 2020 10:19:33 GMT -6
Appreciate the insight Blackdawg! Is Eucon for pro tools only? I use Studio One 5... i'll check to see if its compatible. The QCON Pro G2 has had a couple firmware updates that have really improved it. Also some third party dev is making a suite of custom controls that work with studio one and the G2. Looks really robust modernidiots.com/qmap-overview ... But are you saying its just a limitation of HUI in regards to the resolution? But yeah, I think ill stick to the plugin for the ngLeveler and V2 of xbay was told to me over email, seems like they are really investing the R and D to making it a beast. I really like Dennis who runs it, bit of a mad genius imo haha. Great customer service too. I use a 128v1 right now, was having some issues trying to track through it with some gear not passing signal, could be user error, but that should be solved with V2 when I upgrade. It's a dream for mixing though. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Sept 1, 2020 10:58:52 GMT -6
Appreciate the insight Blackdawg! Is Eucon for pro tools only? I use Studio One 5... i'll check to see if its compatible. The QCON Pro G2 has had a couple firmware updates that have really improved it. Also some third party dev is making a suite of custom controls that work with studio one and the G2. Looks really robust modernidiots.com/qmap-overview ... But are you saying its just a limitation of HUI in regards to the resolution? But yeah, I think ill stick to the plugin for the ngLeveler and V2 of xbay was told to me over email, seems like they are really investing the R and D to making it a beast. I really like Dennis who runs it, bit of a mad genius imo haha. Great customer service too. I use a 128v1 right now, was having some issues trying to track through it with some gear not passing signal, could be user error, but that should be solved with V2 when I upgrade. It's a dream for mixing though. Eucon was a protocol created by Euphonix which Avid aquired in...2012? Maybe? anyways the technology is in other DAWs i know like Cuebase/Nuendo/Pyramix. Im not sure if Studio One has Eucon in it.. But yes HUI is Midi based, so it has a lower resolution of "steps" basically when you're making adjustments. I'm really eyeing those kind of patchbays. Seem super cool and helpful. |
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Post by ericn on Sept 1, 2020 12:11:09 GMT -6
Appreciate the insight Blackdawg! Is Eucon for pro tools only? I use Studio One 5... i'll check to see if its compatible. The QCON Pro G2 has had a couple firmware updates that have really improved it. Also some third party dev is making a suite of custom controls that work with studio one and the G2. Looks really robust modernidiots.com/qmap-overview ... But are you saying its just a limitation of HUI in regards to the resolution? But yeah, I think ill stick to the plugin for the ngLeveler and V2 of xbay was told to me over email, seems like they are really investing the R and D to making it a beast. I really like Dennis who runs it, bit of a mad genius imo haha. Great customer service too. I use a 128v1 right now, was having some issues trying to track through it with some gear not passing signal, could be user error, but that should be solved with V2 when I upgrade. It's a dream for mixing though. Eucon was a protocol created by Euphonix which Avid aquired in...2012? Maybe? anyways the technology is in other DAWs i know like Cuebase/Nuendo/Pyramix. Im not sure if Studio One has Eucon in it.. But yes HUI is Midi based, so it has a lower resolution of "steps" basically when you're making adjustments. I'm really eyeing those kind of patchbays. Seem super cool and helpful. While the finer resolution of Eucon is great, with any fader or automation system you have to look and see if you will actually take advantage of it, since AVID will only license Eucon to outside software developers you could find that your software is translating Eucon to Hui and end up with less real resolution. Now If I was going to have a big Avid Control’ surface I would probably end up with one of Steiger’s VCA boxes and use the Control surface for faders. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Sept 1, 2020 12:28:22 GMT -6
Eucon was a protocol created by Euphonix which Avid aquired in...2012? Maybe? anyways the technology is in other DAWs i know like Cuebase/Nuendo/Pyramix. Im not sure if Studio One has Eucon in it.. But yes HUI is Midi based, so it has a lower resolution of "steps" basically when you're making adjustments. I'm really eyeing those kind of patchbays. Seem super cool and helpful. While the finer resolution of Eucon is great, with any fader or automation system you have to look and see if you will actually take advantage of it, since AVID will only license Eucon to outside software developers you could find that your software is translating Eucon to Hui and end up with less real resolution. Now If I was going to have a big Avid Control’ surface I would probably end up with one of Steiger’s VCA boxes and use the Control surface for faders. I have two of the DAWtomation VCA boxes that Jeff help start. He is not apart of the company though anymore, probably for good reason actually. Honestly I can't say I'd recommend them. I paid for 4 units(32ch) and it took 6months to get 2. Not sure I'll ever see the other two.. The ngLeveler is a way better choice I think at this point. 16ch vs 8ch in a 1u chassis. Has optional THD too. And you can get it today at least and know the company will be there for a while. The Plugin Wes Audio makes is supported by all DAWs too not much Mac and Protools. Far as I can tell the ngLeveler uses the same technology as it uses a relay matrix with 2500 steps of resolution pending the interface you're using will also output that resolution. However, i wasn't aware that software could be converting Eucon to HUI. That seems odd, but not impossible. I use it with Pryamix and Protools every day. I've used it with Nuendo as well before. On the ngLeveler though you have a few options, if you are using just the plugin to control the box, I'd imagine that the resolution is very high as it is their proprietary plugin to work with the unit itself. Now, if you're using a HUI controller to control the plugin then you'll be restricted at that point but should be able to make any other adjustments in the DAW with the plugin. This is how I'd use it, not with a HUI controller connected directly to the ngLeveler. But through ethernet and just using the plugin and something to control the plugin. Which is what I intend to do with the DAWtomation boxes. I just have to pray the plugin will live long enough.. |
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Post by ericn on Sept 1, 2020 12:39:18 GMT -6
While the finer resolution of Eucon is great, with any fader or automation system you have to look and see if you will actually take advantage of it, since AVID will only license Eucon to outside software developers you could find that your software is translating Eucon to Hui and end up with less real resolution. Now If I was going to have a big Avid Control’ surface I would probably end up with one of Steiger’s VCA boxes and use the Control surface for faders. I have two of the DAWtomation VCA boxes that Jeff help start. He is not apart of the company though anymore, probably for good reason actually. Honestly I can't say I'd recommend them. I paid for 4 units(32ch) and it took 6months to get 2. Not sure I'll ever see the other two.. The ngLeveler is a way better choice I think at this point. 16ch vs 8ch in a 1u chassis. Has optional THD too. And you can get it today at least and know the company will be there for a while. The Plugin Wes Audio makes is supported by all DAWs too not much Mac and Protools. Far as I can tell the ngLeveler uses the same technology as it uses a relay matrix with 2500 steps of resolution pending the interface you're using will also output that resolution. However, i wasn't aware that software could be converting Eucon to HUI. That seems odd, but not impossible. I use it with Pryamix and Protools every day. I've used it with Nuendo as well before. On the ngLeveler though you have a few options, if you are using just the plugin to control the box, I'd imagine that the resolution is very high as it is their proprietary plugin to work with the unit itself. Now, if you're using a HUI controller to control the plugin then you'll be restricted at that point but should be able to make any other adjustments in the DAW with the plugin. This is how I'd use it, not with a HUI controller connected directly to the ngLeveler. But through ethernet and just using the plugin and something to control the plugin. Which is what I intend to do with the DAWtomation boxes. I just have to pray the plugin will live long enough.. Sad to hear about the Dawautomation. If your using Eucon to control anything that uses Hui its being converted by software some where. If only AVID would figure out they could actually make some coin by licensing Eucon, instead someone will have to reverse engineer it, just like Hui! |
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Post by suicity on Sept 4, 2020 6:16:01 GMT -6
Has anyone compared the sonics of the CAPI SumBus ACA to a Burl B32?
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 4, 2020 7:34:08 GMT -6
Has anyone compared the sonics of the CAPI SumBus ACA to a Burl B32? I believe Bat Lanyard came to the capi sum bus from a burl B32 ... he said in this thread the difference was favourable with the Capi. Both good but the Capi has some major mojo goin on. Maybe he could elaborate further though. |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Sept 4, 2020 19:54:28 GMT -6
Has anyone compared the sonics of the CAPI SumBus ACA to a Burl B32? I believe Bat Lanyard came to the capi sum bus from a burl B32 ... he said in this thread the difference was favourable with the Capi. Both good but the Capi has some major mojo goin on. Maybe he could elaborate further though. I did. And I love(d) the B32 and what it did. Running through the SumBus though had a weight and vibe that was a whole different thing, which makes sense based on what's in the SB and the output card options you have. It was definitely a "Shit. This sounds like a console" experience. I guess overall I felt like the B32 was sort of still part of the "summing argument" and the SB was more in the "console argument". YMMV, but I don't believe most would be disappointed with either the Burl or the SumBus. They're both great, just different animals. |
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Post by bartacusad on Sept 9, 2020 10:39:53 GMT -6
Has anyone compared the sonics of the CAPI SumBus ACA to a Burl B32? They don’t even compare in my opinion. I love Burl gear but the SumBus is exactly what you hope summing will get you to and that is a console sound. Open up the lid on both units and it becomes abundantly clear why too. ALL inputs of the SumBus have a CA2622 input transformer and a Discrete Op. I have people come to me to master their projects specifically to run it through my SumBus, VP28s, and Burl B2 converter. |
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 10, 2020 17:37:09 GMT -6
Has anyone compared the sonics of the CAPI SumBus ACA to a Burl B32? They don’t even compare in my opinion. I love Burl gear but the SumBus is exactly what you hope summing will get you to and that is a console sound. Open up the lid on both units and it becomes abundantly clear why too. ALL inputs of the SumBus have a CA2622 input transformer and a Discrete Op. I have people come to me to master their projects specifically to run it through my SumBus, VP28s, and Burl B2 converter. oh wow, reading this makes me feel at ease haha... I took a leap of hope and upgraded my 16 being built by Billy to 32. Figured, buy once... I'm Shipping it to Canada, imports/duties bla bla, figured might as well go for it now. Got an update from Billy this weekend, sounds like quite the intense build. Posts like that increase excitement level exponentially  |
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Post by Blackdawg on Sept 10, 2020 18:58:13 GMT -6
God I want this unit so bad but Im not ready for the price tag so I guess it's a good thing I can't buy it right now haha
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Sept 15, 2020 22:43:45 GMT -6
Wanted to add that the dual output busses are so useful. Allows no-latency tracking when routed to the Burl B26. Just feeding the signal from the SumBus into the B26 as opposed to routing into the DAW and monitoring out.
Probably not the most common approach, though. Just my setup.
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 16, 2020 18:54:54 GMT -6
Wanted to add that the dual output busses are so useful. Allows no-latency tracking when routed to the Burl B26. Just feeding the signal from the SumBus into the B26 as opposed to routing into the DAW and monitoring out. Probably not the most common approach, though. Just my setup. Nice, thats a great way to run it. I don't think I can on mine, I have Jeff building me just one bus of 32 channels of his suggested combo that has max colour /// and told him the type of music I do... sounded good to me, but my box is a one trick pony for now "When it comes to mojo and vibe, there is a transformer/op amp combo that is very warm and colorful. The HN2503 is a high nickel content variant of the 2503 output transformer. It is all kinds of warm and fuzzy and the SL-1731 op amp adds a silkiness that compliments it perfectly. I’ve sold several of the 32’s around the country and a lot of them get two busses. One with the classic API sound of litz 2503+2520 and this combo of the HN2503+1731. All but one of them has preferred the high nickel for their go-to mixing bus." Did I mention I'm excitedddd?! lol! |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Sept 21, 2020 4:54:25 GMT -6
Nice, thats a great way to run it. I don't think I can on mine, I have Jeff building me just one bus of 32 channels of his suggested combo that has max colour /// and told him the type of music I do... sounded good to me, but my box is a one trick pony for now "When it comes to mojo and vibe, there is a transformer/op amp combo that is very warm and colorful. The HN2503 is a high nickel content variant of the 2503 output transformer. It is all kinds of warm and fuzzy and the SL-1731 op amp adds a silkiness that compliments it perfectly. I’ve sold several of the 32’s around the country and a lot of them get two busses. One with the classic API sound of litz 2503+2520 and this combo of the HN2503+1731. All but one of them has preferred the high nickel for their go-to mixing bus." Did I mention I'm excitedddd?! lol! For sure, man! Those are the two busses I went with based on his suggestions. I use the HN2503+1731 for mixing and the other for tracking. Another bonus of tracking with it the way I do is having the mono switches for bass and stuff when you need it, stereo for keys, etc. Very flexible. |
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 24, 2020 8:12:35 GMT -6
"When it comes to mojo and vibe, there is a transformer/op amp combo that is very warm and colorful. The HN2503 is a high nickel content variant of the 2503 output transformer. It is all kinds of warm and fuzzy and the SL-1731 op amp adds a silkiness that compliments it perfectly. I’ve sold several of the 32’s around the country and a lot of them get two busses. One with the classic API sound of litz 2503+2520 and this combo of the HN2503+1731. All but one of them has preferred the high nickel for their go-to mixing bus." Did I mention I'm excitedddd?! lol! For sure, man! Those are the two busses I went with based on his suggestions. I use the HN2503+1731 for mixing and the other for tracking. Another bonus of tracking with it the way I do is having the mono switches for bass and stuff when you need it, stereo for keys, etc. Very flexible. That's awesome! Many possibilities... are you able to elaborate how you use it for tracking? Are you just using it in your chain as the last step before conversion? |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Sept 24, 2020 10:32:53 GMT -6
For sure, man! Those are the two busses I went with based on his suggestions. I use the HN2503+1731 for mixing and the other for tracking. Another bonus of tracking with it the way I do is having the mono switches for bass and stuff when you need it, stereo for keys, etc. Very flexible. That's awesome! Many possibilities... are you able to elaborate how you use it for tracking? Are you just using it in your chain as the last step before conversion? Sure, shakermaker. Everything runs through a Burl Mothership. 16 out of the B80 into a Speck fader unit, into the SumBus. Recently moved from a Convert-2 to the BDAM card in the B80, so latency became a big issue. So, I leave two channels open when tracking and half-normal the tracking output signal(s) ahead of the two open channels of the Speck faders (normal path goes into the B80 for recording). Everything goes into the SumBus output I don't use for mixing, directly into the B26 controller. I'm able to control levels of everything to taste and with no latency to deal with. |
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 27, 2020 12:57:28 GMT -6
Awesome ! thanks for the detailed reply, sounds like a killer tracking rig too. Any particular reason why you moved away from the Convert-2? I'm finally getting mine setup this week, have had digital cables on back order for 2 weeks lol, cheers, thanks again!
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Sept 30, 2020 12:07:43 GMT -6
Awesome ! thanks for the detailed reply, sounds like a killer tracking rig too. Any particular reason why you moved away from the Convert-2? I'm finally getting mine setup this week, have had digital cables on back order for 2 weeks lol, cheers, thanks again! The BDA4M just lifted things a step up to my ears in my room. The Convert-2 is incredible and I loved that unit. You will not regret picking one up. |
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 30, 2020 15:56:21 GMT -6
Oh shit haha, apologies I mis read your post and thought you were talking about AD... I got the dangerous AD+ for printing back. Not the convert-2
thanks for clarifying!
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Post by allbuttonmode on Nov 2, 2020 9:16:08 GMT -6
It looks like I am heading down the summing mixer path again. And the SumBus ACA is an obvious choice for me.
Who here built the thing themselves? How complicated would you say it is?
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 2, 2020 10:49:42 GMT -6
I haven't built one but fully intend to. Honestly it not that complex looking at the build guide. Maybe all the LEDs are a pain. But the worse it that its just a lot of the same thing. I mean 4-16 cards over and over. Lot of places to get a resistor in the wrong spot or something. But Shouldn't be any more difficult than a mic pre build. Just doing two per card, sort of.
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Post by spindrift on Nov 2, 2020 12:08:13 GMT -6
nvm
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Post by shakermaker on Nov 9, 2020 15:31:39 GMT -6
![]() I got my sumbus in today! wooo. 32 channels of HN2503+1731 ... this thing is a beast, Billy was a pleasure to work with, I can highly recommend using him if you are looking to get one built. Can't wait to rack it up tommorow and start running some goodness through it. wok on! Attachments:
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Nov 9, 2020 22:15:23 GMT -6
![]() I got my sumbus in today! wooo. 32 channels of HN2503+1731 ... this thing is a beast, Billy was a pleasure to work with, I can highly recommend using him if you are looking to get one built. Can't wait to rack it up tommorow and start running some goodness through it. wok on! That's awesome, man! Nothing to do with the sound, but curious on the silver rack ears? Have they changed up the chassis a bit maybe? |
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Post by shakermaker on Nov 10, 2020 4:40:18 GMT -6
Ohh, Nah ... Billy left them off in case they got bent in shipping, and it came over the boarder to Canada. Gave m the proper ear racks and instructions on how to put them in. I snapped that right as I unboxed it haha. Just waiting on new rack than gonna put the sides on 👍 ![]() I got my sumbus in today! wooo. 32 channels of HN2503+1731 ... this thing is a beast, Billy was a pleasure to work with, I can highly recommend using him if you are looking to get one built. Can't wait to rack it up tommorow and start running some goodness through it. wok on! That's awesome, man! Nothing to do with the sound, but curious on the silver rack ears? Have they changed up the chassis a bit maybe? |
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