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Post by Johnkenn on May 15, 2018 18:33:26 GMT -6
Or there’s always 32 channels of the Chandler Mini Rack Mixer for $14,500
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Post by ericn on May 15, 2018 19:09:33 GMT -6
I’m starting to think the Sum Bus with knobs would be a very cool console replacement.
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Post by ericn on May 15, 2018 21:24:25 GMT -6
So, this has the option for 2 different/separate stereo outs, right? Is that just for the option of 2 different flavors/colors? Any other use for the 2nd pair of outs? Any major drawbacks of just sticking with a single pair of outs? On the SB2 yes its just a different way to get a different flavor via different transformer and Opamps. On the SB1 though, you could use the second out as an EFX send since you have pan control and level control. Or even a headphone send if you wanted. Or totally different mix. Or you could use it to feed say a drum bus comp and bring it back on a pair of inputs so you could have a single stereo or 2 mono sub groups. What can I say many years ago I had nickname Grandmaster Patch😎 |
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Post by ericn on May 15, 2018 21:51:33 GMT -6
Might have just figured out a $200 dollar solution for adding 32ch of solo, the one thing missing from the version with knobs. More and more I see this in my future.
Anybody want a Status? Cheep, really cheap.
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Post by Blackdawg on May 15, 2018 23:59:14 GMT -6
On the SB2 yes its just a different way to get a different flavor via different transformer and Opamps. On the SB1 though, you could use the second out as an EFX send since you have pan control and level control. Or even a headphone send if you wanted. Or totally different mix. Or you could use it to feed say a drum bus comp and bring it back on a pair of inputs so you could have a single stereo or 2 mono sub groups. What can I say many years ago I had nickname Grandmaster Patch😎 Im curious to see what the Master ACA add on will be. Might be able to just blend both buses with that with insert points..or...idk. Should be cool either way! I really keep poking Jeff to do one with 8ch of the SB1 and 24ch of the SB2...Think that would be awesome. |
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Post by ericn on May 16, 2018 1:05:47 GMT -6
Or you could use it to feed say a drum bus comp and bring it back on a pair of inputs so you could have a single stereo or 2 mono sub groups. What can I say many years ago I had nickname Grandmaster Patch😎 Im curious to see what the Master ACA add on will be. Might be able to just blend both buses with that with insert points..or...idk. Should be cool either way! I really keep poking Jeff to do one with 8ch of the SB1 and 24ch of the SB2...Think that would be awesome. The routing would be weird since I’ll assume on he’s using the same back plane so the auxes on your SB1 would be your second stereo bus on SB2. But if we are going to go there how about an SB2 that lines up with a 500 series rack with a fader pack and just a pan rather than dual concentric pots 😁 |
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Post by Blackdawg on May 16, 2018 8:10:32 GMT -6
Im curious to see what the Master ACA add on will be. Might be able to just blend both buses with that with insert points..or...idk. Should be cool either way! I really keep poking Jeff to do one with 8ch of the SB1 and 24ch of the SB2...Think that would be awesome. The routing would be weird since I’ll assume on he’s using the same back plane so the auxes on your SB1 would be your second stereo bus on SB2. But if we are going to go there how about an SB2 that lines up with a 500 series rack with a fader pack and just a pan rather than dual concentric pots 😁 Haha that would be cool! Like Purples thing they did. But this would be cooler. Not sure that would work as there are 16ch in the SB1 and no 500series rack will ever fit 16 modules. But I suppose while we are dreaming... screw it, Where is the DIY CAPI Console! |
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Post by ericn on May 16, 2018 8:48:45 GMT -6
The routing would be weird since I’ll assume on he’s using the same back plane so the auxes on your SB1 would be your second stereo bus on SB2. But if we are going to go there how about an SB2 that lines up with a 500 series rack with a fader pack and just a pan rather than dual concentric pots 😁 Haha that would be cool! Like Purples thing they did. But this would be cooler. Not sure that would work as there are 16ch in the SB1 and no 500series rack will ever fit 16 modules. But I suppose while we are dreaming... screw it, Where is the DIY CAPI Console! Would have to do a link between multiple chassis’s but we can dream right ? Think 32 in 3 racks plus an empty space, the fun thing about DIY and CAPI is very modable, my fabrication guy, who is also a bit of an audio guy we’re both suffering from insomnia last night and were texting about building my API Dream Console out of SB1’s we figured some custom metal work and the right pot’s the basic’s would be simple, a couple of Bottles of Jeff’s favorite liquid indulgence and we could get him to guide us in how to use another set of SB1’s or something easier for adding 4 auxes. Now just need to find the cash to buy into the basic system and see if my idea for adding solo will work ( once I have the information I’ll explain if it’s a go) |
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Post by Blackdawg on May 16, 2018 9:00:09 GMT -6
Haha that would be cool! Like Purples thing they did. But this would be cooler. Not sure that would work as there are 16ch in the SB1 and no 500series rack will ever fit 16 modules. But I suppose while we are dreaming... screw it, Where is the DIY CAPI Console! Would have to do a link between multiple chassis’s but we can dream right ? Think 32 in 3 racks plus an empty space, the fun thing about DIY and CAPI is very modable, my fabrication guy, who is also a bit of an audio guy we’re both suffering from insomnia last night and were texting about building my API Dream Console out of SB1’s we figured some custom metal work and the right pot’s the basic’s would be simple, a couple of Bottles of Jeff’s favorite liquid indulgence and we could get him to guide us in how to use another set of SB1’s or something easier for adding 4 auxes. Now just need to find the cash to buy into the basic system and see if my idea for adding solo will work ( once I have the information I’ll explain if it’s a go) Well get on it! haha Im still going to go with 30 ML2s feeding and SB2 and using the insert points to outboard gear off the TAC 511 chassis. No analog buss sends, but I figure I'll just do that in the box anyways to outboard gear via the ML2 routing i have planed. Simple enough. And im just going to be doing mixing with it not recording. Should be a nice flexible hybrid setup. |
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Post by bram on Jun 7, 2018 19:13:45 GMT -6
Question for all you audio wizards out there.
I've lately grown fond of the ITB Brauerizing ABCD Bus workflow which involves sending Vox to Bus A, Drums to Bus B, Guitars to C, FX to D, etc... etc... Each bus has its own compressor and processing applied before heading to the 2-Bus.
It would appear that the most simple application of the Sum Bus in this case would be routing the 4 stereo buses out into the SumBus for summing and then back in to the 2-bus... Already that's a bunch of digital summing happening before heading out to the CAPI. I take it that unless one were to have enough SB2 channels for every track in a mix, there's no escaping the majority of the summing happening ITB.
In other words, there would be no sonic difference if I routed all drum tracks individually out of the DA into a single Stereo SumBus input, compared to sending the B Drum bus out the DA to the SB2. Am I understanding this correctly?
How would one best use an 8x2 SB2 in such a scenario to make the most out of it?
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 7, 2018 22:18:40 GMT -6
Question for all you audio wizards out there. I've lately grown fond of the ITB Brauerizing ABCD Bus workflow which involves sending Vox to Bus A, Drums to Bus B, Guitars to C, FX to D, etc... etc... Each bus has its own compressor and processing applied before heading to the 2-Bus. It would appear that the most simple application of the Sum Bus in this case would be routing the 4 stereo buses out into the SumBus for summing and then back in to the 2-bus... Already that's a bunch of digital summing happening before heading out to the CAPI. I take it that unless one were to have enough SB2 channels for every track in a mix, there's no escaping the majority of the summing happening ITB. In other words, there would be no sonic difference if I routed all drum tracks individually out of the DA into a single Stereo SumBus input, compared to sending the B Drum bus out the DA to the SB2. Am I understanding this correctly? How would one best use an 8x2 SB2 in such a scenario to make the most out of it? I mix this way a lot as well using Aux bus's for guitars and one for drums and such as you are doing. I like working this way as you can automate the bus and trim with the raw tracks if need. Though now that I work in HD this isn't really needed. Plus if you work on a not so powerful computer it save some processing power with less plugins. So when I use an analog summing box, It depends on how much I/O I have but in your case, with only a 8x2. Id do just has you have said. Drums to a stereo bus, Guitars to one, Then as the Sumbus allows mono feeds, Id maybe do the bass and lead vocals as monos. Then the last one can be FX/back ground vocals or Keys. So yeah, there is still ITB summing happening, but the main summing is analog and it will still make a huge difference. You can get the SB2 passive summer box from DIYRE and use any preamp you want for the make up gain and even that lil thing makes a big difference. The Sumbus has so much good analog goodness happening in it, its gonna be a big difference, plus you can over drive an input and such. Another option is breaking out the center stuff. So you could send the Kick, snare, bass to one channel, and the lead vocals to another as monos. I've not gotten to try that but I've read summing things with center stuff as mono really makes a great center stage. That said, if you had enough I/O and and bigger sum bus, routing the drums out to their own channels and everything else will just impart more analog goodness. So doing a 8x2 sum vs a 32x2 will be different, just all the different harmonic content you impart would make a difference. Good thing the SumBus is modular! |
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Post by bram on Jun 7, 2018 23:06:52 GMT -6
Great post, Blackdawg. Thanks. I’m curious to try out the center channel elements approach. And yes, good thing for the SumBus modularity. So much stuff to build this summer, the workbench is piling up!
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 7, 2018 23:28:38 GMT -6
Great post, Blackdawg. Thanks. I’m curious to try out the center channel elements approach. And yes, good thing for the SumBus modularity. So much stuff to build this summer, the workbench is piling up! I know! My winter will be a long building season as well! something to do during the cold snowy months though. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 8, 2018 23:10:31 GMT -6
I immediately want more channels.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 8, 2018 23:22:24 GMT -6
Think I saw on the on the social networks you got one assembled but it looked like an 8x2?
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Post by bram on Jun 8, 2018 23:35:39 GMT -6
How are have you been integrating yours in your system, John? (Or how were you integrating it in your system before they took the demo back and you forgot how to hook it back up)
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 9, 2018 6:18:21 GMT -6
I’ve gotten it working...I’m still figuring out the best process. Right now, I’m mixing into the sumbus, back in through my pair of still to be announced (soon) pres and printing that track. Then mastering that stereo file. For small stuff I’ll just bounce that mastered track itb. For more important stuff, I’ll print that track with the itb mastering running line level through the pres...then export the wav file.
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Post by guitfiddler on Jun 9, 2018 16:38:35 GMT -6
I’ve gotten it working...I’m still figuring out the best process. Right now, I’m mixing into the sumbus, back in through my pair of still to be announced (soon) pres and printing that track. Then mastering that stereo file. For small stuff I’ll just bounce that mastered track itb. For more important stuff, I’ll print that track with the itb mastering running line level through the pres...then export the wav file. Those soon to be announced preamps need TBD & TBA! I've been wondering... |
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Post by ericn on Jun 10, 2018 8:44:45 GMT -6
I immediately want more channels. I guess Eric’s first rule of buying consoles applies to summing systems as well? Always buy the bigger version than you think you need! |
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Post by jsteiger on Jun 19, 2018 17:10:22 GMT -6
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 19, 2018 23:20:13 GMT -6
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Post by bram on Jun 19, 2018 23:52:40 GMT -6
Guess I’ll be contemplating tonight whether to pull the trigger on 8 or 16 tomorrow! Edit 1: oh, and also  Edit 2: well, that didn’t take much contemplation at all. Order placed for 16 channels! Thanks Jeff! |
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 20, 2018 13:48:57 GMT -6
Guess I’ll be contemplating tonight whether to pull the trigger on 8 or 16 tomorrow! Edit 1: oh, and also Edit 2: well, that didn’t take much contemplation at all. Order placed for 16 channels! Thanks Jeff! Hell yeah! I'm moving..so most my funds are gone now..damn. Will get one this fall I hope! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 20, 2018 16:17:14 GMT -6
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