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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 20, 2018 19:07:36 GMT -6
@bram
Re: I basically do that with my delta. In logic I create aux groups, use logic’s I/o plug in to send to delta and dedicated ob comps and receive brings this back to delta and I can also do same on 2 buss (ssl clone, electra eq and wa API or neve pres if I want.
You can certainly do HW inserts in pt, so once you set it up: you should be fine.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 21, 2018 8:55:22 GMT -6
And yes, I'm giving in to every cliche known to man. Artistry don't pay the rent.
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Post by bram on Jun 27, 2018 12:33:24 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2018 12:38:19 GMT -6
God Speed...There's always Bender if it's too much...
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Post by bram on Jun 27, 2018 13:02:27 GMT -6
God Speed...There's always Bender if it's too much... Blissful ignorance to the depth of this build and the time it will take to complete the project is currently keeping me sane. It's summer though, and I've put aside dedicated time for it. Happy to post progress pics here if folks are interested.
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Post by mikec on Jun 27, 2018 14:10:43 GMT -6
I so much want to build one of these and I have really good soldering skills, but not sure I could do one without step by step instruction. I have another advantage with early retirement in that I have plenty of time on my hands. Can't wait to hear from non-pro builders that accomplish building one of these.
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Post by woofhead on Jun 27, 2018 14:17:42 GMT -6
Hi Bram Id like to see pics thanks.Considering building an 8 ch in the future but have another summing project with neumann summing cards and faders planned as well.Also thought about using the neumann faders in combo with the capi. Good luck with your build looks like fun Mike
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Post by Guitar on Jun 27, 2018 14:18:45 GMT -6
God Speed...There's always Bender if it's too much... Blissful ignorance to the depth of this build and the time it will take to complete the project is currently keeping me sane. It's summer though, and I've put aside dedicated time for it. Happy to post progress pics here if folks are interested. Please, post us with your progress, yes!
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Post by bram on Jun 27, 2018 14:24:21 GMT -6
Will do!
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Post by bartacusad on Jun 27, 2018 19:27:51 GMT -6
Attached is a section of a song I mixed a couple days ago that hopefully will give a little insight into what the SumBus does to drums, bass, elec, and just the general sonic spectrum. This was done through the 16x2. Drums are summed to two channels, elec on two channels, bass on a mono channel, and verb on two channels. I wish I could let you hear what it does for vocals but this is an unreleased project and I have no rights to it other than to share a little taste of it. I think the SumBus improves the whole mix but listen to the differences to the kick and bass especially!
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Post by bram on Jun 27, 2018 19:43:46 GMT -6
Attached is a section of a song I mixed a couple days ago that hopefully will give a little insight into what the SumBus does to drums, bass, elec, and just the general sonic spectrum. This was done through the 16x2. Drums are summed to two channels, elec on two channels, bass on a mono channel, and verb on two channels. I wish I could let you hear what it does for vocals but this is an unreleased project and I have no rights to it other than to share a little taste of it. I think the SumBus improves the whole mix but listen to the differences to the kick and bass especially! The SumBus track seems to add a lot of punch and depth to that kick. Did you mix into the SB and then do the A/B or mix ITB and then apply SB at the end?
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Post by bartacusad on Jun 27, 2018 20:04:26 GMT -6
Attached is a section of a song I mixed a couple days ago that hopefully will give a little insight into what the SumBus does to drums, bass, elec, and just the general sonic spectrum. This was done through the 16x2. Drums are summed to two channels, elec on two channels, bass on a mono channel, and verb on two channels. I wish I could let you hear what it does for vocals but this is an unreleased project and I have no rights to it other than to share a little taste of it. I think the SumBus improves the whole mix but listen to the differences to the kick and bass especially! The SumBus track seems to add a lot of punch and depth to that kick. Did you mix into the SB and then do the A/B or mix ITB and then apply SB at the end? I had done a good rough mix ITB so the general vibe was there but it was actually mixed through the SB. I copied all my plugin settings back to the ITB for this little demo.
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Post by Bender on Jun 27, 2018 20:14:40 GMT -6
I so much want to build one of these and I have really good soldering skills, but not sure I could do one without step by step instruction. Jeff has graciously uploaded a guide check it out below
It certainly isn't for the beginner and assumes you've built other kits before, but it does cover all the little important things for this particular build, like clipping the transformer leads and getting them tight to the board so they don't short out when the cards are stacked/assembled.
I have a batch of preamp kits & few compressors to whip out 1st but once I'm done with that I'll have a clear schedule to start taking orders on these bad boys. I'm still working on an overall labor cost, but it certainly won't be cheap as this will be a Premium Product/build due to the meticulousness & upfront costs for assembly from a builders perspective in addition to the tools cost i.e. I'd have to buy a few set's of Dsub cables( not cheap) just to be able to test these babies out thoroughly as I run a XLR to TRS system going from my lunchbox to my Rme 802. in addition to the Ic straightner & the Ribbon cable crimper ( both listed in the Capi Store Tools section, thanks Jeff!) that will help make the build that much easier.
Either way going by the soundclips, Capi's track record, and the soundclips the juice will certainly be worth the squeeze.
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Post by bram on Jun 30, 2018 18:18:36 GMT -6
Ok here we go. 6 Hours in. ACA A + B Buses complete. Took my time with the A bus, but B came together quickly. Smooth sailing so far. Attachment DeletedAttachment DeletedHere's an imgur album with more pics and comments, which I'll continue to update on my progress: CAPI SumBus 16x2 Pictorial Build Progress and TipsJeff's build guide has been solid, comprehensive, and easy to follow along. Gonna put the soldering iron down for today.
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Post by mdr on Jul 2, 2018 0:00:31 GMT -6
Attached is a section of a song I mixed a couple days ago that hopefully will give a little insight into what the SumBus does to drums, bass, elec, and just the general sonic spectrum. This was done through the 16x2. Drums are summed to two channels, elec on two channels, bass on a mono channel, and verb on two channels. I wish I could let you hear what it does for vocals but this is an unreleased project and I have no rights to it other than to share a little taste of it. I think the SumBus improves the whole mix but listen to the differences to the kick and bass especially! Thanks for sharing this! Sounds great man. Any more examples would be most appreciated. Can you tell us what convertors were feeding the SumBus and what the A-D was? Cheers.
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Post by bram on Jul 2, 2018 0:02:55 GMT -6
Today's progress (~6 hours of work): - DC Inlet-Filter Board
- DB25 Audio Input Board
- IDC Ribbon Cable Assemby
- Backplane PCB
The Backplane PCB was the first major hurdle for me, not due to complexity, but for the sheer amount of connections to solder. It was a 3 hour job. The Mixerman Radio Show and a beer kept me going. Taking a few breaks to play with the dogs was also a big help. Onto the Carcass build mañana! Link: Build Picture Album
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Post by guitfiddler on Jul 2, 2018 18:59:38 GMT -6
Attached is a section of a song I mixed a couple days ago that hopefully will give a little insight into what the SumBus does to drums, bass, elec, and just the general sonic spectrum. This was done through the 16x2. Drums are summed to two channels, elec on two channels, bass on a mono channel, and verb on two channels. I wish I could let you hear what it does for vocals but this is an unreleased project and I have no rights to it other than to share a little taste of it. I think the SumBus improves the whole mix but listen to the differences to the kick and bass especially! Thanks for sharing this! Sounds great man. Any more examples would be most appreciated. Can you tell us what convertors were feeding the SumBus and what the A-D was? Cheers. I would like to know this info as well
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Post by bartacusad on Jul 3, 2018 14:58:56 GMT -6
Attached is a section of a song I mixed a couple days ago that hopefully will give a little insight into what the SumBus does to drums, bass, elec, and just the general sonic spectrum. This was done through the 16x2. Drums are summed to two channels, elec on two channels, bass on a mono channel, and verb on two channels. I wish I could let you hear what it does for vocals but this is an unreleased project and I have no rights to it other than to share a little taste of it. I think the SumBus improves the whole mix but listen to the differences to the kick and bass especially! Thanks for sharing this! Sounds great man. Any more examples would be most appreciated. Can you tell us what convertors were feeding the SumBus and what the A-D was? Cheers. Thanks man! I’m using an Avid HD Omni and an Avid HD I/O for D/A, then through the SumBus to a pair of VP28s with gar918 op amps and then to the Burl B2 A/D. I’ll try to put together a few more examples here soon!
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 3, 2018 15:14:59 GMT -6
Platinums or regular?
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Post by bram on Jul 3, 2018 15:30:21 GMT -6
Yesterday's progress (6h:45m): - Carcass Build
- Meter Boards 1-4
The SumBus is starting to take shape. It's encouraging to see the PCB's living in a home now. For the meter boards, I found it most efficient to work on 4 and a time. I'd install all of the resistors on each board before moving onto the caps, etc.. etc...
Continuing on today with Meter boards 5-8.
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Post by jsteiger on Jul 3, 2018 19:25:46 GMT -6
Yesterday's progress (6h:45m): - Carcass Build
- Meter Boards 1-4
The SumBus is starting to take shape. It's encouraging to see the PCB's living in a home now. For the meter boards, I found it most efficient to work on 4 and a time. I'd install all of the resistors on each board before moving onto the caps, etc.. etc...
Continuing on today with Meter boards 5-8.
Looking good!
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Post by mdr on Jul 3, 2018 22:23:20 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing this! Sounds great man. Any more examples would be most appreciated. Can you tell us what convertors were feeding the SumBus and what the A-D was? Cheers. Thanks man! I’m using an Avid HD Omni and an Avid HD I/O for D/A, then through the SumBus to a pair of VP28s with gar918 op amps and then to the Burl B2 A/D. I’ll try to put together a few more examples here soon! Ok cheers. So as I understand it, the sumbus loses 6db of level and you are using VP28s to make that back up. Have you tried it without the makeup? Is that level loss a problem and does it sound much different? I wonder if you just hit it harder, do you even need to make up the loss? Gosh it would be great if it was just a unity device, all in one box..
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Post by bartacusad on Jul 4, 2018 5:23:06 GMT -6
Original VP28s with the Ed Anderson xformer.
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Post by bartacusad on Jul 4, 2018 5:48:15 GMT -6
You could easily make up the gain with a compressor. Jeffs design as I understand it is very much the same as what happens in an API console so the VP28 pairs perfectly with the SumBus to complete the picture sonically speaking. Also, I have noticed, as has John Kennedy, that the box has a sweet spot for how hard you can hit it. If you hit it too hard you start to lose some low end. For me, coming out of the box at +3 to +9 over 0vu is the sweet spot.
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Post by swurveman on Jul 4, 2018 8:15:54 GMT -6
The SumBus track seems to add a lot of punch and depth to that kick. Did you mix into the SB and then do the A/B or mix ITB and then apply SB at the end? I had done a good rough mix ITB so the general vibe was there but it was actually mixed through the SB. I copied all my plugin settings back to the ITB for this little demo. All the reverbs sound deeper and wider on the SB track. Sounds good. Did the SB mix hit any outboard compressor(s) or any other signal pricessing gear before going back itb to print?
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