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Post by dreamsambas on Feb 4, 2020 15:48:53 GMT -6
Funny, I keep putting up the 67 with a mix of other condensers and ribbons for female lead vocal shootouts, and not once have they ever picked the 67. FWIW. Which of your preamps are you using when you do those vocal shootouts, Doug? |
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Post by aremos on Feb 4, 2020 18:26:59 GMT -6
I just finished trying out a couple of tubes now that I've installed the Neumann BV12. Firstly, I actually really like the Valvo PF86 it came with. It's a little beefier than the EF86s I've tried. I was able to track down an Telefunken Silver EF86 from Bowie. It was a much tighter sound, but also a bit more open. Frankly, I preferred the Valvo PF86 over it. Luckily, Bowie is a cool guy and after going back and forth about what I was looking for he offered me a rare 1958 Amperex which seemed to sit somewhere between the stock PF86 and the Telefunken EF86, providing a bit more mid range and softer highs. I'm very happy with it. Admittedly, I've got my kit in a U87ai, and there is a possibility that the K67 in it is on the brighter side, which may be why I preferred the richer tube.
Are these the Amperex tubes?
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 4, 2020 18:51:11 GMT -6
I just finished trying out a couple of tubes now that I've installed the Neumann BV12. Firstly, I actually really like the Valvo PF86 it came with. It's a little beefier than the EF86s I've tried. I was able to track down an Telefunken Silver EF86 from Bowie. It was a much tighter sound, but also a bit more open. Frankly, I preferred the Valvo PF86 over it. Luckily, Bowie is a cool guy and after going back and forth about what I was looking for he offered me a rare 1958 Amperex which seemed to sit somewhere between the stock PF86 and the Telefunken EF86, providing a bit more mid range and softer highs. I'm very happy with it. Admittedly, I've got my kit in a U87ai, and there is a possibility that the K67 in it is on the brighter side, which may be why I preferred the richer tube.
Are these the Amperex tubes?
Looks similar. Slightly different branding. Mine has a full Amperex logo on it. |
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Post by EmRR on Feb 4, 2020 20:54:30 GMT -6
The flip is the 67 does frequently win for male vocal, and that seems to be opposite of what I hear a lot of people say.....I could be remembering incorrectly......
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Post by EmRR on Feb 4, 2020 20:55:45 GMT -6
Funny, I keep putting up the 67 with a mix of other condensers and ribbons for female lead vocal shootouts, and not once have they ever picked the 67. FWIW. Which of your preamps are you using when you do those vocal shootouts, Doug? Have tried Gates SA-20, CAPI VP26, and Sytek most frequently. |
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Post by dreamsambas on Feb 4, 2020 22:07:57 GMT -6
Gotcha, was just curious. I've been wanting to hear a U67 paired with a single ended tube pre like my Collins. Aiming for that old RCA Studio B vibe..
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Post by indiehouse on Feb 5, 2020 5:38:37 GMT -6
I used my 67 into a Coil CA70S into an Audioscape V-comp the other day tracking a male vocal. While comping vocals the other day, there are times when I thought it was too much color. The vocal starts to get a little fuzzy, almost like he has cotton in his mouth. I’m sure some of that is technique, but I think that Coil pre is very colored. And the 67 has a lot of output and was driving the Coil pretty hot, I think. I remember having to turn the input all the way down.
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 5, 2020 6:50:03 GMT -6
I like my 67 with my Dan Alexander Neve 1272. I also really like it on my voice through my Tab Funkenwerk V78M, which is V72 is, but with more sonic options. I dial back a bit for a less colored sound than the typical V72. Admittedly, my voice and the styles I record are specific.
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 5, 2020 7:02:32 GMT -6
The flip is the 67 does frequently win for male vocal, and that seems to be opposite of what I hear a lot of people say.....I could be remembering incorrectly...... I have always heard the U67 praised as the workhorse that works on most anything. The mics I always hear work best on female vocals are the M49 and ELA M 251. My experience with my FleA 49s has been positive. My wife’s more legit Broadway voice and my sister’s bluesy jazz voice both sound fantastic on it. The 67 is usually the 2nd choice for them. I have tried it on a dramatic soprano whose voice seemed to get a little harsh on the 49 and worked better on the more neutral 67. |
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Post by Ward on Feb 5, 2020 7:54:46 GMT -6
I used my 67 into a Coil CA70S into an Audioscape V-comp the other day tracking a male vocal. While comping vocals the other day, there are times when I thought it was too much color. The vocal starts to get a little fuzzy, almost like he has cotton in his mouth. I’m sure some of that is technique, but I think that Coil pre is very colored. And the 67 has a lot of output and was driving the Coil pretty hot, I think. I remember having to turn the input all the way down. Indeed that is WAY too much color!! The U67 has a natural 'smoothing' to it, and the audioscape V-Comp is 'syrup'. Audio Syrup. It is a magic secret sauce over everything and combined with the U67 and the Coil? Yes, way too much ooey gooey goodness unless you have a very sparse mix. And EQ that vocal! Try using a solid state preamp with it, something colorless like a Focusrite Red 1 8 6 or 7 or a Grace. Something that imparts no actual THD TImD or other Dx. |
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Post by EmRR on Feb 5, 2020 8:22:11 GMT -6
I used my 67 into a Coil CA70S into an Audioscape V-comp the other day tracking a male vocal. While comping vocals the other day, there are times when I thought it was too much color. The vocal starts to get a little fuzzy, almost like he has cotton in his mouth. I’m sure some of that is technique, but I think that Coil pre is very colored. And the 67 has a lot of output and was driving the Coil pretty hot, I think. I remember having to turn the input all the way down. Assuming the CA70 acts exactly like an SA70, it would need an input pad in my experience, then on top of that there's not gonna be much output level before fuzz. The SA70 is very edgy/colored as a rule. The SA20 and SA94 I use have somewhat more input stage headroom and a much stiffer output section with higher max output, so they will stay more acceptably clean. 16A? 0dBFS is so high it's useful to set the input for 10dB gain with SA-70's, since they are approaching total flatline around +12dBm. 10kHz THD+N (unweighted, with 10-30kHz filters) approaches 2% at +6dBm, there's some cotton for ya. |
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Post by indiehouse on Feb 5, 2020 10:46:12 GMT -6
I used my 67 into a Coil CA70S into an Audioscape V-comp the other day tracking a male vocal. While comping vocals the other day, there are times when I thought it was too much color. The vocal starts to get a little fuzzy, almost like he has cotton in his mouth. I’m sure some of that is technique, but I think that Coil pre is very colored. And the 67 has a lot of output and was driving the Coil pretty hot, I think. I remember having to turn the input all the way down. Indeed that is WAY too much color!! The U67 has a natural 'smoothing' to it, and the audioscape V-Comp is 'syrup'. Audio Syrup. It is a magic secret sauce over everything and combined with the U67 and the Coil? Yes, way too much ooey gooey goodness unless you have a very sparse mix. And EQ that vocal! Try using a solid state preamp with it, something colorless like a Focusrite Red 1 8 6 or 7 or a Grace. Something that imparts no actual THD TImD or other Dx. It’s a sparse mix (acoustics and cello). But I would have preferred a little more clarity in the vocal. Then again, it isn’t the best singer, so I didn’t want to shine a spotlight on the vocal either. |
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Post by dreamsambas on Feb 5, 2020 17:00:25 GMT -6
The flip is the 67 does frequently win for male vocal, and that seems to be opposite of what I hear a lot of people say.....I could be remembering incorrectly...... Doug, once you’re done working on the Gates pre I sent you, I may make the trip to pick it up from you. That way I can hear your 67 through my Collins pres. Thinking there might be a 67 in my future... |
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Post by proxy on Feb 8, 2020 0:28:58 GMT -6
I had a Wunder CM67, the original, not the Suprema.
It was part of my journey that eventually ended with a U67 reissue.
I’ve hear people say the Wunder is brighter than the U67, and I would use the word “vivid”.
Brighter is often correlated to “harsh”, and I didn’t find it harsh at all, but definitely more vivid, the way a modern boutique guitar amp can sound like a more vivid version of the amp it is inspired by.
I would have kept them both if I could have afforded to.
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Post by EmRR on Mar 6, 2020 14:19:37 GMT -6
Funny, I keep putting up the 67 with a mix of other condensers and ribbons for female lead vocal shootouts, and not once have they ever picked the 67. FWIW. OK, another freaky microphone event. Had a singer yesterday who sounded pretty much exactly the same on the 67 and an RCA 77-D. That makes no sense......triple checked the patching to be sure.....we went with a Gefell UMT70S..... |
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Post by Vincent R. on Mar 6, 2020 17:01:47 GMT -6
I've had my MK U67 with the Neumann transformer since the beginning of the year and while I've played around with a bit and come to some ideas of how best to use it in my studio, I haven't had any projects to really "use it" on. The last 2 weeks though I worked on a few projects I thought would be the perfect opportunity to really hear this mic in action.
My brother is an R&B singer of the Sam Smith variety. It's also a big voice like mine. He really could've been an operatic counter-tenor if he had really studied. He has been recording songs here for years. It always gives me a chance to step into a genre that is not my typical specialty and just work on my mix skills. He came in with a cool pop/rock track he wanted to cover and we commissioned friend of mine to track the orchestration. I debated between a few mic choices; U87ai, MKU67, and BLUE Bottle Rocket Stage II w/ B6 Cap. If I'm honest I could have used any of these. I personally prefer the intimacy of tube mics and the BLUE has an EQed already quality to it. So, I took the opportunity to just give the MKU67 a shot. I also got a studio vocal submission for a duet pop/rock vocal and hired a friend of mine to do the female vocal. She has more of a rock voice than my wife. The MK U67 just killed on both my pop/rock vocal and my friend Ellen's. In fact, for me anytime I lean into pop or rock vocals I prefer this to my FleA 49. All of the vocals have a warmth and intimacy to them. It also takes EQ for days without sounding wonky. A workhorse microphone in deed. I think this is what I always expected my U87ai to sound like.
Now, for my usual work, it really depends on the style. I prefer the American song book and classical crossover styles with the FleA 49. It's just a bigger, more in your face sound. Although, if the cross over piece has a crazy big orchestration the 67 might be a better choice. I'd still probably try the FleA 49 first. For Musical Theater and classical it just depends on atmosphere your going for. If you want that Broadway soundtrack kind of sound or a neuatral classical sound, the MK U67 is the way to go. If your going for that Mario Lanza, bigger than life, giant vocal sound....which is what I always go for.... grab the FleA 49.
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Post by chessparov on Mar 6, 2020 17:27:07 GMT -6
Funny, I keep putting up the 67 with a mix of other condensers and ribbons for female lead vocal shootouts, and not once have they ever picked the 67. FWIW. OK, another freaky microphone event. Had a singer yesterday who sounded pretty much exactly the same on the 67 and an RCA 77-D. That makes no sense......triple checked the patching to be sure.....we went with a Gefell UMT70S..... Roseanne Barr? William Hung? Chris P.S. I kid... I bet they were a really good singer!  |
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Post by soundintheround on Mar 11, 2020 4:45:18 GMT -6
Should be getting Stam’s new SA-67 sometime soon in the mail.
Final payment went out.
I have his original SA-67, which is very good, but hoping this one has a slightly different color in the top end.
Fingers crossed on the new one, we shall see.
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 11, 2020 7:26:43 GMT -6
Should be getting Stam’s new SA-67 sometime soon in the mail. Final payment went out. I have his original SA-67, which is very good, but hoping this one has a slightly different color in the top end. Fingers crossed on the new one, we shall see. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the differences! I've (hopefully) got one on the way to me, too. I sent the final payment last week. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 11, 2020 8:15:52 GMT -6
Soon come...
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Post by Vincent R. on Mar 11, 2020 10:42:49 GMT -6
Looking forward to heading to Martin's and checking his out next to my MK U67 (with Neumann BV12), once it arrives.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 11, 2020 16:37:18 GMT -6
That's gonna be fun Vincent, and a good benchmark too.
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Post by Darren Boling on Apr 1, 2020 18:15:41 GMT -6
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it someone here from the RGO family that can do the IOAudio to Neumann transformer swap?
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Post by Vincent R. on Apr 1, 2020 18:23:25 GMT -6
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it someone here from the RGO family that can do the IOAudio to Neumann transformer swap? did mine. EmRR has advised he can also do it. |
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Post by brenta on Apr 1, 2020 18:45:19 GMT -6
Doug (EMRR) did my transformer swap, I just got it back on Monday. Going to give it a spin tonight. Unfortunately due to the present state of the world I’m not sure when I’ll be able to try it on a real singer.
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