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Post by EmRR on Nov 30, 2016 18:13:25 GMT -6
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Post by ragan on Nov 30, 2016 18:57:49 GMT -6
Ahh yes. I had read (and briefly participated in) that thread. Forgot you had commented on yours. I'm left torn on the "darkness" thing. I've fought 3-10k in my voice my whole singing/recording life, so "dark" doesn't really scare me off. And the clips I've heard compared to U87s (a sound I know pretty well) sounded right in the ballpark of what I would want. Like a U87i but a little mellower, smokier, softer sounding. |
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Post by wiz on Nov 30, 2016 19:27:51 GMT -6
Ahh yes. I had read (and briefly participated in) that thread. Forgot you had commented on yours. I'm left torn on the "darkness" thing. I've fought 3-10k in my voice my whole singing/recording life, so "dark" doesn't really scare me off. And the clips I've heard compared to U87s (a sound I know pretty well) sounded right in the ballpark of what I would want. Like a U87i but a little mellower, smokier, softer sounding. That last sentence... Like a U87i but a little mellow , shakier, softer sounding... made my panties drop to the floor.... 8) cheers Wiz |
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Post by ragan on Nov 30, 2016 20:08:38 GMT -6
Ahh yes. I had read (and briefly participated in) that thread. Forgot you had commented on yours. I'm left torn on the "darkness" thing. I've fought 3-10k in my voice my whole singing/recording life, so "dark" doesn't really scare me off. And the clips I've heard compared to U87s (a sound I know pretty well) sounded right in the ballpark of what I would want. Like a U87i but a little mellower, smokier, softer sounding. That last sentence... Like a U87i but a little mellow , shakier, softer sounding... made my panties drop to the floor.... 8) cheers Wiz Sorry to put you in such a compromised position, dude! |
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Post by EmRR on Nov 30, 2016 20:34:40 GMT -6
No panties here, no sir. Right out the car window. In the snow.
Like I said, I have no complaints really. I'm not a singer, so I can't really comment from that angle. It's been on a bunch of sources with both the TLM and the U67 retrofit, and it's been good on everything to date as a general purpose mic. Give me another year and I'll have something more specific to say, only had it a few months now.
I had a group doing 3 part harmonies together, split up in separate rooms. 2 guys on Max/U67 and Gefell UMT70 (lead), gal on Samar MF65. The UMT70 presence thing was great for the lead job, worked fine with the guys voice, the U67 set the secondary guy back a hair in tone nicely, the Samar brought the female vocal into closer balance (proximity effect and clear flat top) against the male vocals so they all worked as a unit with no distracting tonality differences. They cut 4 passes singing together and I comped a final master take out of the lot, no rough sonic corners to burnish.
With another female singer I had used the Samar for everything, cut a few BGV's with the U67 and in the end the BGV comp has pieces of each mic. Doesn't stand out as different. A ribbon and a condenser, same voice.
Tracked some fingerpicked nylon guitar with the U67. Definitely dark in that application, but very articulate mid presence. Required some treble boost. I'll add I've not generally been a fan of any LDC on acoustic guitar of any type.
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Post by gevermil on Nov 30, 2016 22:27:53 GMT -6
Ive built the D-67 that poctop of vintagemicrophonepcbkit.com offers . It is the Iaudio ( Max's ) version that I think is no longer offered as the general consensuses was it was too dark for most peoples taste . I believe it is the same transformer as the one in his current conversion kit ?
I Have a new neumann K67 capsule and nos tele tube in the mic and yes its darker than a nice original Ive compared it to but Man dose it kill in front of a fender bassman , nice powerfull mids and punchy .
Id like it to be a bit more open tho for vocals like the original , Im working up the courage to send it to shannon
to mess with the capsule .
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Post by ragan on Nov 30, 2016 23:31:18 GMT -6
No panties here, no sir. Right out the car window. In the snow. Like I said, I have no complaints really. I'm not a singer, so I can't really comment from that angle. It's been on a bunch of sources with both the TLM and the U67 retrofit, and it's been good on everything to date as a general purpose mic. Give me another year and I'll have something more specific to say, only had it a few months now. I had a group doing 3 part harmonies together, split up in separate rooms. 2 guys on Max/U67 and Gefell UMT70 (lead), gal on Samar MF65. The UMT70 presence thing was great for the lead job, worked fine with the guys voice, the U67 set the secondary guy back a hair in tone nicely, the Samar brought the female vocal into closer balance (proximity effect and clear flat top) against the male vocals so they all worked as a unit with no distracting tonality differences. They cut 4 passes singing together and I comped a final master take out of the lot, no rough sonic corners to burnish. With another female singer I had used the Samar for everything, cut a few BGV's with the U67 and in the end the BGV comp has pieces of each mic. Doesn't stand out as different. A ribbon and a condenser, same voice. Tracked some fingerpicked nylon guitar with the U67. Definitely dark in that application, but very articulate mid presence. Required some treble boost. This is good info, thanks. I don't mind boosting highs at all. I usually track through a Great River Harrison 32c and I love the highs on that. No problem adding a little air that way. But I have a very bright voice anyway. Thinking hard about Max's mod kit... |
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 1, 2016 6:08:06 GMT -6
Max's mod is definitely dark and smooth. It changes out from a U87ai or TLM67 in 30 seconds or so, maybe 2 minutes by the time you get the PSU hooked back up or phantom turned back on. If you look at his circuit board pics and real U67 pics, it's pretty much an exact PCB clone of the original. Ok, I finally sat down and looked at the swap instructions with my U87AI in hand. This is is so easy. I may have to make this my next big purchase. |
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Post by EmRR on Dec 1, 2016 8:47:14 GMT -6
A bit fumbly, second time I swapped between preamps. Can be done in 30 seconds, hooked up to PSU or phantom within 2 minutes.
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Post by Ward on Dec 1, 2016 10:46:36 GMT -6
Neumann TLM 67Not a tube mic, I know. Kind of sounds like a U87ai & a U67 had a baby from what I’ve heard. I have a friend who said the mids on this microphone were horrible, but I’m not sure if that was the mic or the vocalist he had testing it. Been kind of intrigued about this mic, and was curious about other’s experiences with it. IMHO... your friend could not be any more mistaken about the TLM67 than he is. The Mids are NOT (as in aren't) horrible. The Mids are about the only 67ish thing about this microphone. What it lacks in comparison to an actual 67 is transformer weight and harmonic content/detail/transients. |
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Post by Ward on Dec 1, 2016 10:49:57 GMT -6
... made my panties drop to the floor.... Sorry to put you in such a compromised position, dude! <whisper tone> Walk softly, ragan, he's not like us... he's a vegan. </whisper tone> |
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Post by EmRR on Dec 1, 2016 10:57:53 GMT -6
The mids on the TLM67 are probably the best thing about it. The downside which may bug you is the 'enhanced harmonic' buzz Neumann put into it. It hasn't bothered me yet, but I hear it if I think about it. The ioaudio kit does away with that buzz while softening the top substantially. I found a TLM67 with the shock mount for $1500, which is doable with a slight bit of patience. $1400 has been the lowest I've seen, and that was lacking the mount. $1600 usually sells, $1700 can hang around untouched.
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Post by ragan on Dec 1, 2016 11:02:11 GMT -6
The mids on the TLM67 are probably the best thing about it. The downside which may bug you is the 'enhanced harmonic' buzz Neumann put into it. It hasn't bothered me yet, but I hear it if I think about it. The ioaudio kit does away with that buzz while softening the top substantially. I found a TLM67 with the shock mount for $1500, which is doable with a slight bit of patience. $1400 has been the lowest I've seen, and that was lacking the mount. $1600 usually sells, $1700 can hang around untouched. Yeah I actually bought one this summer from GC (used). I liked it, but not enough to keep it. Was more just curious. But having it along with the proper U67 circuit option appeals to me greatly. Mostly the U67 part of course, but the stock TLM67 I found pretty nice too. |
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Post by EmRR on Dec 1, 2016 11:06:46 GMT -6
I recall it didn't win your personal shoot-out. Only you will be able to decide if the U67 kit takes it where you want to be. I have seen a few TLM/U67 sets offered on ebay, at a markup, don't know if they've sold. I imagine it would be easy to lateral out of one if you didn't find it worthwhile.
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Post by ragan on Dec 1, 2016 11:33:18 GMT -6
I recall it didn't win your personal shoot-out. Only you will be able to decide if the U67 kit takes it where you want to be. I have seen a few TLM/U67 sets offered on ebay, at a markup, don't know if they've sold. I imagine it would be easy to lateral out of one if you didn't find it worthwhile. Yeah. In my comparisons to the GZ67Fet, I liked the TLM's handling of sibilance better but liked the GZ's low mod body more. It was kind of a toss up for me except one was a $600 mic I already owned and one was a $1500 mic I could return. From what I hear of the stock TLM67 vs Max's modded version clips, I feel good about where the U67 guts take that mic. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 1, 2016 11:59:47 GMT -6
Has anyone had the IOAudio U67 up against an original?
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Post by ragan on Dec 1, 2016 12:11:01 GMT -6
Has anyone had the IOAudio U67 up against an original? There are clips on the GS thread. |
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Post by EmRR on Dec 1, 2016 13:04:51 GMT -6
Some guys say they can use the new one with their original as a stereo pair, others say they don't match at all. We've got to consider unknown age/modification of original, difference in capsules (can't put Max's preamp on an original head basket for direct comparison), and any variations in Max's production. If you read the GroupDIY Poctop DIY U67 thread, you find people using Maxs' transformer with experiences ranging from 'darker than' to 'same'. Max hasn't addressed how he tests/QC's his transformers, they would seem to be the single biggest possible variant since every other aspect is so dead on (yeah caps and resistors can make a difference, but much less so). I've heard clips of a stock minty original that was obviously crispier than the same persons' U87ai with the mod preamp. Stepping outside of that picture, I've also heard clips of the AMI/TAB-Funkenwerk U67 transformer hacked into a Max preamp with a U87ai head, and it was different from the U67 original and the Max transformer, being the brightest of them all. Lots of variables. This is not an exact science, but a lot of hopeful basement level DIY research with no certifiable vetting. Not unlike Neumann selling a TLM67 and claiming it sounds like an original.
The bright mod Max is offering to put in the HPF switch position is super crispy, like a U67 with the bright mod would be, you really hear the capsule resonance peak. It's cool for some things. I'm partway down the path to a slight mod making mine a tad brighter in stock setting, towards the original comparison clips I've heard, and am satisfied I'll eventually land at a keeper mod. I think that's delving into personal preference rather than certifiable prescription. I've taken out C17 which is the historic bright mod, and nothing changes in sound (something should), yet the Max bright mod takes out the entire corrective feedback path (somewhat equivalent to the original bass extension and high boost mods) and does go crispy.
All said and done, I am not dissatisfied with any sound I've produced with the stock Max preamp nor the TLM67 preamp, and I'm guilty of occasional obsessive tinkering in the guts of electronics.
I have a pair of the Oktavamod K47H heads for Oktava MK-012's which are advertised as being very much like the U67 sound, and they are the brightest of the lot, brighter than the UMT70S which seems bright in the high-mids, but also seems to have less extreme top extension than the TLM67.
Another guy I know (with a big busy Brooklyn facility) built up a bunch of DIY U87's using various capsules. After a couple years he reports the Neumann capsule versions always win, and he's planning to buy more Neumann capsules and pull all the others out. He has a big locker of real Neumanns of every persuasion to compare against, so I'll add weighting to his comments.
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Post by ragan on Dec 1, 2016 13:58:48 GMT -6
Some guys say they can use the new one with their original as a stereo pair, others say they don't match at all. We've got to consider unknown age/modification of original, difference in capsules (can't put Max's preamp on an original head basket for direct comparison), and any variations in Max's production. If you read the GroupDIY Poctop DIY U67 thread, you find people using Maxs' transformer with experiences ranging from 'darker than' to 'same'. Max hasn't addressed how he tests/QC's his transformers, they would seem to be the single biggest possible variant since every other aspect is so dead on (yeah caps and resistors can make a difference, but much less so). I've heard clips of a stock minty original that was obviously crispier than the same persons' U87ai with the mod preamp. Stepping outside of that picture, I've also heard clips of the AMI/TAB-Funkenwerk U67 transformer hacked into a Max preamp with a U87ai head, and it was different from the U67 original and the Max transformer, being the brightest of them all. Lots of variables. This is not an exact science, but a lot of hopeful basement level DIY research with no certifiable vetting. Not unlike Neumann selling a TLM67 and claiming it sounds like an original. The bright mod Max is offering to put in the HPF switch position is super crispy, like a U67 with the bright mod would be, you really hear the capsule resonance peak. It's cool for some things. I'm partway down the path to a slight mod making mine a tad brighter in stock setting, towards the original comparison clips I've heard, and am satisfied I'll eventually land at a keeper mod. I think that's delving into personal preference rather than certifiable prescription. I've taken out C17 which is the historic bright mod, and nothing changes in sound (something should), yet the Max bright mod takes out the entire corrective feedback path (somewhat equivalent to the original bass extension and high boost mods) and does go crispy. All said and done, I am not dissatisfied with any sound I've produced with the stock Max preamp nor the TLM67 preamp, and I'm guilty of occasional obsessive tinkering in the guts of electronics. I have a pair of the Oktavamod K47H heads for Oktava MK-012's which are advertised as being very much like the U67 sound, and they are the brightest of the lot, brighter than the UMT70S which seems bright in the high-mids, but also seems to have less extreme top extension than the TLM67. Another guy I know (with a big busy Brooklyn facility) built up a bunch of DIY U87's using various capsules. After a couple years he reports the Neumann capsule versions always win, and he's planning to buy more Neumann capsules and pull all the others out. He has a big locker of real Neumanns of every persuasion to compare against, so I'll add weighting to his comments. Solid insights again. Thanks Doug. I had a pair of the Joly K47 heads for my 012s as well. Useful mics for sure but I didn't love them. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 1, 2016 15:03:33 GMT -6
Thanks All!
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Post by jakeharris on Dec 1, 2016 17:35:15 GMT -6
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Post by ragan on Dec 1, 2016 18:59:33 GMT -6
Whoah.
Anyone know if they would ship to the US? No VAT I assume for me but would there be other charges? Anyone bought from KMR?
That's like $1200 for a brand new TLM67.
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Post by EmRR on Dec 1, 2016 19:05:41 GMT -6
I'm guessing typo or 'oops out of stock at that price'. I don't see anything less than $2199 anywhere else.
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Post by jakeharris on Dec 1, 2016 19:08:34 GMT -6
I'm guessing typo or 'oops out of stock at that price'. I don't see anything less than $2199 anywhere else. That's what they cost in Europe. No typo's. |
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Post by ragan on Dec 1, 2016 19:08:38 GMT -6
I'm guessing typo or 'oops out of stock at that price'. I don't see anything less than $2199 anywhere else. I was able to add it to my cart. Didn't pull the trigger yet but I emailed them. |
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