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Post by Ward on Jul 1, 2017 12:25:41 GMT -6
Shannon does 1 micron caps. I haven't asked him... but platinum sputtered? And is that much better than gold?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 1, 2017 12:50:17 GMT -6
I don't know that he does platinum, I thought the question was just about 1 micron ? Seems a little esoteric, we better ask the three wise men, cus I am holding out for .o5 micron myrrh !
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Post by ragan on Jul 17, 2017 10:25:39 GMT -6
I just got a NOS Telefunken EF86 (grey shield) from bowie and hot damn... I already really liked the mic but this really made a beautiful difference. This mic just went into Holy Grail sonics for me, personally. Sounds so damn good.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 17, 2017 11:52:07 GMT -6
Glad to hear that Ragan. Every time I hear that a new tube improved sound, it makes me want to do the same. There are some tubes that might help my WA2A get a little closer to the real thing.
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 14, 2017 18:51:31 GMT -6
It came up in another thread, but I felt this was a better thread to discuss it in. How similar is the Max Mod in linear mode to the Innertube U87? I like that the Max Mod gives you the U67 mode and the Linear modern mode.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 14, 2017 19:15:55 GMT -6
Who does the "inner tube"?
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Post by drsax on Oct 14, 2017 19:26:19 GMT -6
It came up in another thread, but I felt this was a better thread to discuss it in. How similar is the Max Mod in linear mode to the Innertube U87? I like that the Max Mod gives you the U67 mode and the Linear modern mode. I haven't compared directly - but I expect they'd be quite different. Stayne's mod's are world class - but generally a cleaner (but still warm) signal path. I have two of his mag mics which share a similar design (different capsule though) and they are stellar. The max mod is amazing too. But even with the brighter sounding linear mode, I expect the design and transformer sound Of the max mod would be a different character. It would definitely be interesting to compare them back to back though.
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 14, 2017 19:34:30 GMT -6
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 14, 2017 20:23:10 GMT -6
It came up in another thread, but I felt this was a better thread to discuss it in. How similar is the Max Mod in linear mode to the Innertube U87? I like that the Max Mod gives you the U67 mode and the Linear modern mode. I haven't compared directly - but I expect they'd be quite different. Stayne's mod's are world class - but generally a cleaner (but still warm) signal path. I have two of his mag mics which share a similar design (different capsule though) and they are stellar. The max mod is amazing too. But even with the brighter sounding linear mode, I expect the design and transformer sound Of the max mod would be a different character. It would definitely be interesting to compare them back to back though. Makes sense.
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 14, 2017 20:43:39 GMT -6
Shannon does 1 micron caps. I haven't asked him... but platinum sputtered? And is that much better than gold? I'm not a "mic maven" by any means, but isn't platinum, LESS conductive than gold?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 14, 2017 21:35:37 GMT -6
Well, the REDD47 mic uses platinum for the capsule membrane, and I'm sure they tried every possible variation before going into production. I have the Chandler REDD mic on loan for a few days. I'll go into it in depth once I get a chance to more thoroughly test it, but if someone tells you it's better than a U47 or an ELAM 251, don't doubt it, it is that good.
It is easily their equal, and I think better, which seems impossible until you try one.
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Post by ragan on Oct 14, 2017 22:28:07 GMT -6
Totally different animals. The Innertube mod, to my understanding, takes a U87 and makes it a nice tube mic. The MaxMod is a 1:1 U67 circuit. Very different.
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Post by drsax on Oct 15, 2017 5:33:52 GMT -6
Totally different animals. The Innertube mod, to my understanding, takes a U87 and makes it a nice tube mic. The MaxMod is a 1:1 U67 circuit. Very different. I think Vincent was referring to the "linear mode" on the max mod which is significantly brighter than the regular mode. Although I suspect they are quite different even when the max mod is in linear mode. The Innertube Mods are stunning though.
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 15, 2017 7:25:58 GMT -6
Totally different animals. The Innertube mod, to my understanding, takes a U87 and makes it a nice tube mic. The MaxMod is a 1:1 U67 circuit. Very different. I think Vincent was referring to the "linear mode" on the max mod which is significantly brighter than the regular mode. Although I suspect they are quite different even when the max mod is in linear mode. The Innertube Mods are stunning though. I was.
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Post by rob61 on Oct 15, 2017 8:53:02 GMT -6
I have both. The Innertube 87 is more modern sounding, big, open, and bright yet with a smooth tube character. The Max Mod 67 is warm, big, and less bright. I don't use the "flat" mod on the 67 mod as I think it takes away from the 67 character I love.
Notice the simplicity of the Innertube 87 mod. Its much closer to a straight wire with a tube in it. The output is very hot.
They both have their purpose. If you're going for a modern tube sound, grab the Innertube 87 mod. If you're going old school with a more "processed" sound, grab the Max 67 mod.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 15, 2017 9:18:34 GMT -6
Wow, that's pretty cool rob61.
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Post by joseph on Oct 15, 2017 10:04:16 GMT -6
Bock has a 67 type according to his twitter feed and the Soundelux U99 Roundbadge/Hunter was raving about over at GS.
It would be nice if Max offered a transformer version with feedback that is less dark, to better satisfy those that say that is more veiled than real 67.
Linear circuit is too prone to sibilance.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 15, 2017 13:15:26 GMT -6
Yes just to elaborate Bock is making a 67 model, I saw that as well. He also makes a soundeluxe u99 which is supposed to be a u67 voiced mic
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Post by popmann on Oct 15, 2017 14:18:41 GMT -6
No. Unless EVERY mid forward mic is now being considered "67 voiced"....no--an Sm7 is FAR closer to a U67 than a U99 is. Promise. That said--the U99 was a nice mic. I don't have anything against the mic....the U95s (and the S is key in David's world) was the closest to vintage Neumann I ever heard from him. And weirdly, did he only make that for like a year before rebadging it? It's hilarious--having used all three:
U95=Chinese built C12 clone (Blackbird has a pair of KILLER sounding early serials....which led me to buy one....with a later serial that was "eh" at best) U95s=most generically vintage Neumann--little dark but present.....thick in the low mids.... U99= bright and modern take on mid forward German....like an M149 or manley Black. U99b=like the last one with a high frequency roll off switch
The last is the only one I've not personally used....but, I feel like David said it was the same mic with a rolloff switch-so I passed on trying it having sent back the original. But, then he also says it's 67 voiced? So, YMMV.
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Post by joseph on Oct 15, 2017 14:29:36 GMT -6
Well, Roundbadge/Hunter said he sold his last vintage 67 after getting a pair of the new U99s.
He has pretty good ears.
The filter is not exactly the same as 67 obviously, neither is the capsule a real Neumann, but it is German, for what it's worth.
Sounds pretty damn good in the Sweetwater demo too.
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 15, 2017 15:45:40 GMT -6
I have both. The Innertube 87 is more modern sounding, big, open, and bright yet with a smooth tube character. The Max Mod 67 is warm, big, and less bright. I don't use the "flat" mod on the 67 mod as I think it takes away from the 67 character I love.
Notice the simplicity of the Innertube 87 mod. Its much closer to a straight wire with a tube in it. The output is very hot.
They both have their purpose. If you're going for a modern tube sound, grab the Innertube 87 mod. If you're going old school with a more "processed" sound, grab the Max 67 mod. Very cool. I'd love to hear clips of the innertube. I can't seem to find any. I wish Max also made an M269 style kit. I think I'd grab that in a heart beat.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 15, 2017 15:56:53 GMT -6
No. Unless EVERY mid forward mic is now being considered "67 voiced"....no--an Sm7 is FAR closer to a U67 than a U99 is. Promise. That said--the U99 was a nice mic. I don't have anything against the mic....the U95s (and the S is key in David's world) was the closest to vintage Neumann I ever heard from him. And weirdly, did he only make that for like a year before rebadging it? It's hilarious--having used all three: U95=Chinese built C12 clone (Blackbird has a pair of KILLER sounding early serials....which led me to buy one....with a later serial that was "eh" at best) U95s=most generically vintage Neumann--little dark but present.....thick in the low mids.... U99= bright and modern take on mid forward German....like an M149 or manley Black. U99b=like the last one with a high frequency roll off switch The last is the only one I've not personally used....but, I feel like David said it was the same mic with a rolloff switch-so I passed on trying it having sent back the original. But, then he also says it's 67 voiced? So, YMMV. The Bock site has all the info: Old Bock mics: www.bockaudio.com/sdluxfaqBock ( SD ) New u99: www.bockaudio.com/u99You ears and opinions may differ from most, All good ...
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Post by popmann on Oct 15, 2017 17:25:43 GMT -6
Yes, mine is from experience, not marketing copy or a designers intention based on parts he chooses. A "K67 style capsule" is 98% of every LDC at Guitar Center. That makes that part choice a sonically irrelevant piece of info. The only time that's relevant is when it's NOT a center terminated capsule. IME.
I used to buy or borrow anything with even implied "67 voicing". I spent SO much money and time, I an ASHAMED for being so foolish--throwing so much good money after bad. I could've just bought an M269c at what was market value THEN....come out way ahead. Now, they're so outrageously expensive, and business being what it is-- it won't happen in this lifetime.
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Post by c0rtland on Oct 17, 2017 9:46:12 GMT -6
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 17, 2017 11:11:56 GMT -6
I'd love to get one next to my MK U67. Very cool.
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