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Post by petersongoodwyn on Jan 12, 2014 16:00:05 GMT -6
So, what's the biggest drawback to selling direct? Don't mean to derail the thread, just wondering why more don't do it in order to keep the end-user's price down. Maybe raising the price and getting it to a big box retailer benefits because you sell more...but I appreciate people keeping the price down while still making themselves good profits... You have to wear more hats. I do design, merchandising, manufacturing, kitting, shipping, support, returns, marketing, etc. For that reason, a well-tuned manufacturer/distributor/dealer network can actually be much more efficient than a small, direct seller. Everyone in the chain gets to maximize their 80/20 (Pareto principle) but focusing their time and capital on what they do best. Regarding exposure, the internet has made this easier for guys like me, Brian, and Jeff, but retailers and distributors still provide significant value (otherwise everyone would buy direct). I takes significantly more knowledge and time on the part of the customer to find my products than to find Behringer's. Since that time and education is put in by the customer, I don't have to work it into my margins. But my customers are not most buyers of audio gear, so retailers do the work of promoting products and educating customers for a cut of the margin. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 12, 2014 16:24:22 GMT -6
Tranfo's wrong ? And grounding ??
As we know anybody can say anything on the internet, but I think Bryce's cred speaks for itself and of course why should we think CineMag knows anything about correct transformer design and either of those companies about safe grounding so lets design , manufacture and sell a poorly grounded unit !!
Seriously how lame.
I think the quality and price/performance examples of the wa12 and tb12 are indicative of what we can expect with the wa76 and i can't wait to buy 2!
I don't know either of the owners personally but i have had professional dealings with both owners/companies: seem pretty stand up to me.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 12, 2014 16:39:02 GMT -6
The proof will be in the pudding...
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Post by RicFoxx on Jan 12, 2014 18:41:38 GMT -6
JK,
The analogy is simple...you write songs , record them all yourself, mix and master, press them, market and sell. Very few people can do it, it takes a network.
But it's not rocket science in this case, hi end equipment can be made on the cheap...VP28 and one of my favorites the SCA stuff for example...as good as I've heard and CHEAP comparably.
warm audio stuff is made with a good margin because its a small co. If that Co. grows and adds employees to keep up with demand, adds a bigger facility, outsources some things, etc..price will go up and quality might suffer....I've experienced this phenomena in my professional career and its interesting to watch because it happens in all industries even the music business.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 12, 2014 19:13:22 GMT -6
Bryce usually makes a good pudding, so I'm anticipating something quite tasty.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 12, 2014 19:24:17 GMT -6
Yeah - I'm interested in hearing it! I loooove the price point.
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Post by Ward on Jan 12, 2014 19:24:52 GMT -6
Whilst the front of the panels may be coated, in most cases, the backs on the front panels (which connect to the rack rails) are not. This would provide a common shared grounding path, would it not? Anodizing is a dipping process, so while only the front of the panel may be "finished" (brushed, blasted, etc.), both sides will have the insulating oxide layer. Most power coated panels I see are coated front and back. There may be some that are not, but my sense is that that's the exception. Fair enough. I'm going to get a pair of them. I'll tie a ground from the chassis of each unit to the chassis of another earthed unit, making certain it connects to steel and not any anodized finish. Problem solved. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 12, 2014 20:12:02 GMT -6
People know clips are up on war's site right ?
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 12, 2014 20:20:07 GMT -6
Wards gotta a lot of new toys coming! I can't wait to hear the reviews, it would b nice to see the guts, u can tell a lot by a look, also wonder about transistor matching and HFE numbers? We'll know soon enough...
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Post by Ward on Jan 12, 2014 21:44:56 GMT -6
Ward isn't married. Ward is divorced. Should Ward remarry some time, expect Ward's flow of new toys to come to an abrupt halt. As Ward knows this, and expects that the bachelor life will end at some point, Ward is acquiring what he can now.
Some might argue Ward needs help.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 12, 2014 22:10:08 GMT -6
Ward is lucky.
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Post by petersongoodwyn on Jan 12, 2014 22:52:57 GMT -6
Anodizing is a dipping process, so while only the front of the panel may be "finished" (brushed, blasted, etc.), both sides will have the insulating oxide layer. Most power coated panels I see are coated front and back. There may be some that are not, but my sense is that that's the exception. Fair enough. I'm going to get a pair of them. I'll tie a ground from the chassis of each unit to the chassis of another earthed unit, making certain it connects to steel and not any anodized finish. Problem solved. I was speaking generally about the advisability of relying on racking for safety grounding. I don't have any reason to think the WA76 won't be properly grounded. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 12, 2014 23:01:12 GMT -6
Peterson has some good podcasts on balanced connections and electronics for people who know zip about electronics on his site, they're great. His site is what got me started down the road of DIY, it's like an unobtanium gear Disneyland, but totally attainable! I highly recommend u check it out www.diyrecordingequipment.com/ |
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Post by horvitz on Jan 13, 2014 4:58:52 GMT -6
I was thinking that matching that many transistors would probably be the worst part! Would need some way to automate it. If the matching isn't great, worst is that the meter wouldn't be quite right. You might also have trouble coming up with a stereo pair.
(Edit: this makes more sense if I had quoted Tony's post from the previous page re: transistors)
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Post by Ward on Jan 13, 2014 8:17:38 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 3:21:04 GMT -6
A hairball 1176 costs around $500, and that's for you to buy the parts not in bulk from Mouser, and for Hairball to buy a small run of transformers and cases. Since this guy is buying 500 of every component at once, i think it's safe to assume he's probably getting the equivalent of a hairball for about $250. If everything if surfacemount and done at a shop with a pick-n-place machine, that cuts your manufacturing time and labor force down a WHOLE lot, as you just need someone to program the machine and stuff the reels. ruckus = ruckus328 from groupdiy aka serpent audio. I'm as curious as the next person about this unit, but i'm still skeptical. I'd love it if he'd jump into the converter market, tho...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 15, 2014 9:59:45 GMT -6
Yep, many of us dream of a Burl quality converter under $800. I wonder, can it be done?
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Post by joey808 on Jan 15, 2014 18:46:28 GMT -6
Ordered one.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 15, 2014 18:52:24 GMT -6
Congrats joey.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 15, 2014 19:33:19 GMT -6
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Post by joey808 on Jan 16, 2014 10:38:44 GMT -6
Hahaha! it won't be here till march. we'll see how it turns out.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 23, 2014 20:31:24 GMT -6
https%3A//soundcloud.com/herb-music/wa-76-limiting-amplifier-dry
I got a WA 76 in here to test. It's a first production run unit. I LOVE it. Here's a completely raw vocal (no processing whatsoever) tracked through it at about -3 average. Staged up about 10 o'clock input/ 2 o'clock output. Better get your orders in boys.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 23, 2014 20:53:20 GMT -6
Nice!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 23, 2014 21:57:55 GMT -6
Sound pretty damn good, thanks cowboy. I would have loved a comparison without the 76 to A-B.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 23, 2014 22:09:33 GMT -6
Yeah man! Get her to sing another without the 76!
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