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Post by ChaseUTB on Feb 7, 2017 18:00:13 GMT -6
Hello I read some hearsay that Altran transformers are very low quality however the person seemed to have an agenda and did not present a factual side of their perspective... Can anyone shed any light on this? I know that Chandler, CAPI, Great River, and others use Altran, which is great gear so I am confused. This person was a believer of Cinemag and said they are high quality. I think they meant $$$$ because that's how it came off to me because the reasoning given had to do with price not sound quality...
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Post by ericn on Feb 7, 2017 18:42:03 GMT -6
Altran is a Great OEM supplier, they build all kinds of very complex power transformers for medical automation arospace etc. Some including a dealer who also happens to be a ignorant opinionated mod on a rather well know audio board has dissed Altran time and time again based on their line of rather low priced stock designs. Altran will admit their in house audio design team is not their strong suit. On the other hand when it comes to building and winding any type of Transformer they are second to none. Soooo if you have somebody who can design a great Transformer, Like Ed Anderson or Dan Kennedy at Great River or many other who put their name on their own designs but lack the ability or equipment to make their own, Altran is probably one of the best and very reasonably priced. Funny thing about that Vocal dealer dumb mod, he never asked the manufacturers he carried who make their Transformers because a lot of. The gear he loves to gush about and loves to sell have audio Transformers that have labels that say the Gear manufacturer, but were made by Altran. Now think about this, if your a gear manufacturer what are the chances that you sell enough to justify an expensive winding machine and paying and training people to do it right? What if your latest design needs a Transformer that requires a different type of winding machine ? Well it won't come cheap! Altran is good enough to build Sal walkers favorite cheap crappy Transformer he used in the original 312 with all the"problems" that gave it that classic sound in the 70's when Ed Anderson specs it jus like the ones Sail bought all those years ago ! Of Course our faveorite mod / Gear pimp would tell you that Jensen is the best of the best of Designer Transformers and tell you that Nobody builds them like Jensen, except Jensen didn't Always build Jensen Transformers, originally Rechianbach ( the father of the guy behind Cine a mag) Built the Original Jensens to Deanne Jensens Specs, so a Talented OEM like Altra is nothing new!
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Post by ChaseUTB on Feb 8, 2017 9:23:31 GMT -6
ericnThanks. I knew about the Jensenn, Reichenbach, cinemag " family " connections as well as business. I wanted to learn more about why Altran wasn't preferred and slagged of on and I'm finding that poster had no basis for the statements being made. I really haven't found any evidence to back up those what seem to be to me bogus claims. Thanks for the info and clarification!
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Post by EmRR on Feb 8, 2017 10:04:45 GMT -6
many angles to audio politics. All depends on what you want and need.
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Post by ericn on Feb 8, 2017 10:16:52 GMT -6
many angles to audio politics. All depends on what you want and need. In this case Politics is all it is!
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Post by jsteiger on Feb 8, 2017 11:36:19 GMT -6
The EA2622 is the only product that I get from Altran. Since its Ed Anderson's design, I actually go thru him. We have been buying them for 8 years now and have zero complaints as far as quality goes. My only complaint is their delivery times the last 4-6 months have been lagging due to my previous statement. I would not hesitate to get other designs from them although sometimes folks use Jensen, CineMag or Sowter for marketing and namesake purposes. I have another winder that we use for other items and they are barely known. I am happy with that because I mainly try to sell products on my merit and the design as a whole. Many shitty pieces of gear have came to market that tout high end components including great iron.
I recall a mod on the purple site slagging what a piece of junk the EA2623-1 was. To my knowledge he's the only person who has ever said stuff like that. It all came down to the fact that he didn't sell my stuff. He was/is a dealer. He and I went back and forth on that thread for a few days and then miraculously all of his posts were scrubbed by the gear CIA.
Ulterior motives do not make for a bad transformer.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 8, 2017 12:13:56 GMT -6
Isn't Belmont University in Nashville?
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Post by jsteiger on Feb 8, 2017 12:38:00 GMT -6
Isn't Belmont University in Nashville? LOL
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Post by ericn on Feb 8, 2017 12:45:34 GMT -6
Isn't Belmont University in Nashville? Somebody of who we speak isn't qualified to clean their toilets or Snake their drains even if his specialty is toast BS!
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Post by drbill on Feb 8, 2017 13:36:21 GMT -6
Yeah, that guys a wanker.
But the gent who made the anti-Altran comment is not. I know the guy, and have been to his studio. He's a stand up guy. Not sure what his problem with Altran is, but I can say that if they (Altran) don't get their **** together and start putting out product in a more timely fashion, people are going elsewhere. Regardless of how good they are. Manufacturers can't be held hostage. It's their livelihood.
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Post by Mister Chase on Feb 10, 2017 9:43:12 GMT -6
Yeah, that guys a wanker. But the gent who made the anti-Altran comment is not. I know the guy, and have been to his studio. He's a stand up guy. Not sure what his problem with Altran is, but I can say that if they (Altran) don't get their **** together and start putting out product in a more timely fashion, people are going elsewhere. Regardless of how good they are. Manufacturers can't be held hostage. It's their livelihood. Yep. And I've had to do this with my guitar pickup business. There's a line somewhere.
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Post by Bender on Jul 12, 2017 11:57:39 GMT -6
Man I love the Bt50's they sound killer, I've built over 12+ of these to date BUT this will be my last build until there's a new revision. I've literally spent the last half hour trying to get one of the grayhill switches in before throwing in the towel and taking a break. A MAJOR PITA to say the least. This has always been the worst/toughest part of the build, so much so it's the very 1st thing I do just to get it out of the way.... fitting it in with all the caps already installed makes it even harder, lesson learned the first time haha; but as mentioned in the Assembly guide the limits of it fitting are being stretched and it's a Nightmare to fit in. Just had to vent, lovely sounding though really. AMAZING
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Post by EmRR on Jul 12, 2017 14:41:32 GMT -6
I've argued for larger PCB holes for these sorts of multi-pin switches before. First I encountered was the PCB for the T attenuators, and that's not that many pins.
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Post by ericn on Jul 12, 2017 15:17:28 GMT -6
Let's hope Jeff will address this !
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Post by jsteiger on Jul 12, 2017 17:11:27 GMT -6
Let's hope Jeff will address this ! There is not much I can address here. The tolerances Grayhill states on their datasheets are crazy big especially for a part with so many decks. All of the little numbers add up when multiplied by 6 decks. If anyone looks at the traces, they are jam packed in between the decks so the pads/holes cannot be any larger. I have built a metric shit ton of these. Some switches are a little tougher than others to fit in but I always get them seated.
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Post by Bender on Jul 12, 2017 20:30:40 GMT -6
Let's hope Jeff will address this ! There is not much I can address here. The tolerances Grayhill states on their datasheets are crazy big especially for a part with so many decks. All of the little numbers add up when multiplied by 6 decks. If anyone looks at the traces, they are jam packed in between the decks so the pads/holes cannot be any larger. I have built a metric shit ton of these. Some switches are a little tougher than others to fit in but I always get them seated. It's very well possible I don't have the magic touch haha. I've always gotten them in too, even had a couple pop right in ONCE, but it's just something that is one tricky SOB IMO
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Post by ericn on Jul 12, 2017 20:38:07 GMT -6
Let's hope Jeff will address this ! There is not much I can address here. The tolerances Grayhill states on their datasheets are crazy big especially for a part with so many decks. All of the little numbers add up when multiplied by 6 decks. If anyone looks at the traces, they are jam packed in between the decks so the pads/holes cannot be any larger. I have built a metric shit ton of these. Some switches are a little tougher than others to fit in but I always get them seated. That sucks, but that is the fun of DIY & I knew you are one of the few who would try to fix if !
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Post by pfhuck on Jul 12, 2017 22:21:39 GMT -6
Bender is on a bender! HaHaAaaaa.
Those switches are hard to seat. Patience is a virtue.
Totally worth it!
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Post by pfhuck on Jul 12, 2017 22:56:48 GMT -6
Has anyone tried the bt50 with gar918's?
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 14, 2017 14:48:17 GMT -6
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 14, 2017 16:53:56 GMT -6
There are a lot of pages here, so I stopped at page 2. I don't use pro tools. Is there a link somewhere that I can listen to?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 14, 2017 17:23:15 GMT -6
indiehouse, that last pic is damn sexy. Nice work.
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Post by illacov on Sept 14, 2017 20:11:34 GMT -6
Hello I read some hearsay that Altran transformers are very low quality however the person seemed to have an agenda and did not present a factual side of their perspective... Can anyone shed any light on this? I know that Chandler, CAPI, Great River, and others use Altran, which is great gear so I am confused. This person was a believer of Cinemag and said they are high quality. I think they meant $$$$ because that's how it came off to me because the reasoning given had to do with price not sound quality... I disclosed that Altran manufactures the transformers in my device, I am extremely pleased with them and once I figured out how to ladder my orders with them, I have no complaints. My devices currently only uses the transformers I've designed (which Altran produces) but I actually like Steve and Dave's candor and attitude quite a bit. I plan on utilizing them in my future releases for certain. I challenge the assertion that they are crappy, cheap or anything less than ideal. Seriously results don't lie. People with an axe to grind are simply that. Great River,Burl, Chandler, Universal Audio (let's just stop there) used or sourced Altran transformers in one or more of their products. Beauty is in the eye of the designer. Listen with your ears not your Bill of Materials. It sounds way better. Thanks -L.
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Post by ericn on Sept 14, 2017 20:36:58 GMT -6
Hello I read some hearsay that Altran transformers are very low quality however the person seemed to have an agenda and did not present a factual side of their perspective... Can anyone shed any light on this? I know that Chandler, CAPI, Great River, and others use Altran, which is great gear so I am confused. This person was a believer of Cinemag and said they are high quality. I think they meant $$$$ because that's how it came off to me because the reasoning given had to do with price not sound quality... I disclosed that Altran manufactures the transformers in my device, I am extremely pleased with them and once I figured out how to ladder my orders with them, I have no complaints. My devices currently only uses the transformers I've designed (which Altran produces) but I actually like Steve and Dave's candor and attitude quite a bit. I plan on utilizing them in my future releases for certain. I challenge the assertion that they are crappy, cheap or anything less than ideal. Seriously results don't lie. People with an axe to grind are simply that. Great River,Burl, Chandler, Universal Audio (let's just stop there) used or sourced Altran transformers in one or more of their products. Beauty is in the eye of the designer. Listen with your ears not your Bill of Materials. It sounds way better. Thanks -L. [ Say it high say it Loud!
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 14, 2017 21:41:10 GMT -6
indiehouse, that last pic is damn sexy. Nice work. Thanks dude!
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