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Post by Guitar on Mar 23, 2014 19:54:27 GMT -6
also the crafty DIYer could achieve similar results by modifying existing products that are readily available
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Post by scumbum on Mar 23, 2014 20:58:23 GMT -6
Well, it is definitely more than a DIY pre but way less than other commercial pre's of similar stature. Oh yeah , compared with other commercial pres they'd charge I'd think double , $1,200-$1,500 for something like the Heider FD312 . Its a good deal . But I always compare and think about what CAPI gear I could get for $750 , 3xVP312's or 2xVC528's .....and thats where the cheap bastard comes into play . |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 26, 2014 13:39:21 GMT -6
Man...I hadn't really experimented with driving the input with acoustics...Holy shit. Diving the hell out of it, pulling the output down, Hiz in...wow. Thick and PUNCHY
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Post by Randge on Apr 26, 2014 13:43:29 GMT -6
Secrets out!
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 26, 2014 13:45:43 GMT -6
Man...I hadn't really experimented with driving the input with acoustics...Holy shit. Diving the hell out of it, pulling the output down, Hiz in...wow. Thick and PUNCHY JK, I love doing that on my vp28's, try the opposite like jsteiger suggested, wide open on the output, then adjust input accordingly...(I think that's what he suggested?) I'm going to put up a sample later of my almost finished Elam251 clone with TCampbell C12, through the vp28 later(i'll start another thread) let us know what it does |
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Post by jsteiger on Apr 26, 2014 13:57:52 GMT -6
Either way is awesome and useful. With a vintage API desk, folks would often have the fader cranked (+12dB) and pull back the preamp gain like JK was just describing. The opposite idea is what Glyn Johns talks about and is also effective in a different way. I think you get a little more harmonic content the Glyn way. Either way, I don't think the fader should ever be at 0. Crank it up or cut it then season the preamp gain to taste.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 26, 2014 15:07:23 GMT -6
I was actually talking about the Glyn Johns way. Cranking input and pulling fader down.
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Post by RicFoxx on Apr 26, 2014 16:01:53 GMT -6
jsteiger is it the same for the VP28s'?? Ive been driving the Input/Gain and backing off of the output for girth...never thought about doing it the other way around. When I was younger before I started reading these dang forums, I would just turn knobs until it sounded right to me...need to get back to doing this.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 26, 2014 17:05:25 GMT -6
I think it sounds more glassy the other way...and you could say that about any pre with input/output
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Post by RicFoxx on Apr 26, 2014 17:17:23 GMT -6
Ok, I guess for Dirty electric Ive been pushing the gain on the VP28 and then on the Burl with a AEA R84. Need to come off the gain and push the input.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 6, 2014 11:53:17 GMT -6
They're not here yet, but if they come, I'm about to use 4 Heiders on Chad Cromwell...I'll post some raw files if/when I get a chance.
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Post by jsteiger on May 6, 2014 12:00:05 GMT -6
Cool JK! Where you guys tracking?
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Post by Johnkenn on May 6, 2014 20:58:38 GMT -6
Sound Emporium...
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Post by scumbum on May 14, 2014 14:46:55 GMT -6
Is it just me or does this thing "look" just like a 512c ? Pretty cool for marketing , it looks very API .
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Post by jsteiger on May 14, 2014 14:59:14 GMT -6
Gosh I sure hope not and don't really think so scum.
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Post by tonycamphd on May 14, 2014 15:11:30 GMT -6
hmmm.... i think i'm with Jeff on that scum, it's like me and my brother, we're from the same family, but i'm MUCH better looking lol John, i'm just kidding.....kinda 8)   |
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Post by scumbum on May 14, 2014 16:04:09 GMT -6
I thought thats what you were trying to do , Ha !!
Well what I see is the top left corner logo , Its black , the same type level meter , same colors , the buttons and lights are similar , same blue knob but its bigger .
Now compare a VP pre and those look nothing like a 512c .
I'm not knocking it at all , it looks cool , I just thought that was the plan , appeal to API users .
Maybe I'm the only one that thinks they looks similar .
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Post by jsteiger on May 14, 2014 16:55:46 GMT -6
I'm not knocking it at all , it looks cool , I just thought that was the plan , appeal to API users . Absolutely not. The plan is to appeal to ANY pro audio users!  While the logo's are in the same overall location, they are totally different. Everyone knows the API logo. That means that everyone knows my logo is distinguishably different. The majority of all studio gear is black! Theirs is wet painted or powder coated. Mine is anodized. Again totally different! The meters are both level meters but lots of gear has meters! The same 3 color LED's are extremely common. That is kind of a funny comparison. The silk screen colors are different. The blues look similar. I started with a PMS shade or two lighter than what I ended up with. I did not think it popped off the black well enough. I lightened it by a PMS number or two. I have never compared them side by side but I did stay dark enough to not to look "baby blue". They use white and I use a light gray so the lighter colors are pretty different IMHO! The knobs are an entirely different story. The newer Chinese style they use is different than the vintage style I use. I buy from the original company that created this knob series back in the 1950's. They took the geometric design to China and changed it a little. Whatever. I am not pissed scum so please don't think that. |
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Post by tonycamphd on May 14, 2014 17:09:02 GMT -6
Things you'd never think you'd ever say by jsteiger"i'm not pissed scum, so please don't think that" lmao! |
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Post by scumbum on May 14, 2014 17:42:08 GMT -6
Ha , well I'm glad I asked , that clears it up for me . It is NOT supposed to look similar to a 512c . Whatever I've been smoking I need to cut back . Ok now theres one more comparison ......now I hope you don't get pissed Jeff.....but in your Avatar pictures you remind me of that guy Todd Hoffman from Gold Rush . Do you watch that show ? Todd hoffman making 512c looking mic pres.......This all probably just confirms I'm officially crazy .  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 12, 2014 10:51:45 GMT -6
Just recorded a chick singer that is SUPER dynamic. I've always ended up using the Helios for vox despite all of it's quirks and lack of headroom...It has worked, so I didn't want to fix what wasn't broke. She was crapping it out at like 15db's...so I decided to switch over to the Heider. Wow. Massive amounts of headroom, really, really thick and luscious midrange, smooth top. I think I've just officially switched my vocal pre.
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Post by Guitar on Jul 12, 2014 12:00:51 GMT -6
Jeff your newest face plates are amazing, come a long way from the silver days. I just put a silk screened VP312 in my rack and it really "pops." Black is my favorite gear color, too.
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Post by odyssey76 on Jul 12, 2014 12:55:55 GMT -6
Just recorded a chick singer that is SUPER dynamic. I've always ended up using the Helios for vox despite all of it's quirks and lack of headroom...It has worked, so I didn't want to fix what wasn't broke. She was crapping it out at like 15db's...so I decided to switch over to the Heider. Wow. Massive amounts of headroom, really, really thick and luscious midrange, smooth top. I think I've just officially switched my vocal pre. Killin' me JK, I'm so close to owning one it hurts. Was very curious about female vocals so this is encouraging. You ever going to grab a second to throw on the mix bus? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 12, 2014 20:11:05 GMT -6
I have two VP28's that I use on it...but lately, I've been using the Heider on everything. EG's, acoustics, Vocals. So...I'm kinda wondering what another one would sound like on the mix bus. I find that the Heider has more open top that the VP28's...They're similar, though.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 12, 2014 20:55:58 GMT -6
I have two VP28's that I use on it...but lately, I've been using the Heider on everything. EG's, acoustics, Vocals. So...I'm kinda wondering what another one would sound like on the mix bus. I find that the Heider has more open top that the VP28's...They're similar, though. ugh ohh..really? hmm..IME the VP is a different animal set like this, try opening the output completely, and sticking the input at unity(or there abouts), see if that opens up the top end on it, then let us know ASAP the results as compared! please? 8) |
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