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Post by swurveman on Oct 16, 2015 14:50:57 GMT -6
Since we're on the subject of Pro Tools and editing, I have a question if anybody would like to help this poor fool. LOL
I'm using Pro Tools non HD software.
I would like to cut the waveform of a track into pieces and be able to volume automate these waveforms. Yet, when I do this in PT, I still get the long line of the volume automation of the entire track. Is it possible to just automate a small section of a cut waveform only? That alone would make my life much easier.
Also, once I do a volume edit using the trim tool over the selected area, if I want to change this edit by trying to get a hold of the grabber points and getting the exact points I'm often a bit over and it will lift the volume line after the trimmed portion. So, I have to go back and try it again. Is there something I'm not understanding? You would think you could lock onto this edit easily, but for me the trim grabber points are so small that it's very hard to get the start and finish points precisely.
Thanks to anybody with suggestions.
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Post by drbill on Oct 16, 2015 15:19:09 GMT -6
Since we're on the subject of Pro Tools and editing, I have a question if anybody would like to help this poor fool. LOL I'm using Pro Tools non HD software. I would like to cut the waveform of a track into pieces and be able to volume automate these waveforms. Yet, when I do this in PT, I still get the long line of the volume automation of the entire track. Is it possible to just automate a small section of a cut waveform only? That alone would make my life much easier. Also, once I do a volume edit using the trim tool over the selected area, if I want to change this edit by trying to get a hold of the grabber points and getting the exact points I'm often a bit over and it will lift the volume line after the trimmed portion. So, I have to go back and try it again. Is there something I'm not understanding? You would think you could lock onto this edit easily, but for me the trim grabber points are so small that it's very hard to get the start and finish points precisely. Thanks to anybody with suggestions. Swurve - I'm not 100% sure I completely understand your question. Re your first paragraph - if you want a bunch of chopped up pieces different volumes, clip gain is the way to go I think. If you want fluid, moving automation, it's still doable. Not sure what your problem is there. On your second paragraph, not sure what your problem is. I do it all the time. If I was sitting there with you, I'd probably see the "issue" and be able to comment more intelligently, but again, I do this all the time. Perhaps you're not completely understanding the automation break points and editing tools? Not sure, but again, completely doable. Not sure if any of this is of help of not. As for the PT detractors....I probably hate AVID as much as anyone, but for me, it's PT all the way. I don't hold PT responsible for AVID's stupidity. Cubase, Logic, etc. don't stand a chance for me. And I can't see that changing anytime soon. I think it has a lot to do with what you **learned** on. That usually always feels the most comfortable. I agree with Bob - there are TONS of loosely documented shortcuts and features that most newcomers and casual users are not aware of in PT. And there's zero doubt that I'm way faster on PT than I could EVER get on Cubase or Logic -- so for me -- it's a no brainer. PT wins. Even if AVID looses.
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Post by odyssey76 on Oct 16, 2015 15:31:53 GMT -6
mind BLOWN @ 26:11 if it doesn't auto jump to that spot when you hit play. Thanks for sharing this - I haven't used flex yet but will be very soon. I can't believe how simple they made this feature. I jumped from PT to Logic X quite a few months ago and haven't looked back. Definitely a learning curve but I'm so glad I did it. I also agree with MJB about Logic's compressors - they're really good.
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Post by swurveman on Oct 16, 2015 15:45:50 GMT -6
Since we're on the subject of Pro Tools and editing, I have a question if anybody would like to help this poor fool. LOL I'm using Pro Tools non HD software. I would like to cut the waveform of a track into pieces and be able to volume automate these waveforms. Yet, when I do this in PT, I still get the long line of the volume automation of the entire track. Is it possible to just automate a small section of a cut waveform only? That alone would make my life much easier. Also, once I do a volume edit using the trim tool over the selected area, if I want to change this edit by trying to get a hold of the grabber points and getting the exact points I'm often a bit over and it will lift the volume line after the trimmed portion. So, I have to go back and try it again. Is there something I'm not understanding? You would think you could lock onto this edit easily, but for me the trim grabber points are so small that it's very hard to get the start and finish points precisely. Thanks to anybody with suggestions. Swurve - I'm not 100% sure I completely understand your question. Re your first paragraph - if you want a bunch of chopped up pieces different volumes, clip gain is the way to go I think. If you want fluid, moving automation, it's still doable. Not sure what your problem is there. On your second paragraph, not sure what your problem is. I do it all the time. If I was sitting there with you, I'd probably see the "issue" and be able to comment more intelligently, but again, I do this all the time. Perhaps you're not completely understanding the automation break points and editing tools? Not sure, but again, completely doable. Not sure if any of this is of help of not. Thanks for your reply drBill. The reason why I want to cut pieces is because I can't lock on to the grabber points. So, it's a workaround for not being able to easily volume automate. Here's what I do: 1. Swipe the area already volume automated, which looks like a U with the bottom part flat. Then get the trim tool and pull up or down depending upon whether I want to raise or lower the gain. However, if I'm not precisely on the grabber points when swiping, it will not only raise the former automation, but raise the volume automation line after the original automation points. Understood? All I want to is edit what's's already automated, not anything after the automation. Maybe it's the just on the non HD version, but these grabber points defining the start and the end of the volume automation are minuscule and if you zoom in to get a really good look to enlarge them, you lose a full view of the automation. Hope this helps you understand what's going on.. Thanks! Frank
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Post by drbill on Oct 16, 2015 16:18:42 GMT -6
Frank - have you tried the clip gain feature? I think that's the fastest way to do what you want to do. Otherwise, if you select between breakpoints (in other words between the 1st and second breakpoint, all the auto, and then between the 3rd and 4th breakpoint),
. . ________________ . .
your automation will trim exactly without affecting any other regions. If there is no moving auto in the region, double clicking OR grabbing the automation line within the region and trimming up and down will trim everything in the region - simple - again without affecting any other region. I hope I'm understanding & hope you figure it out.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 16, 2015 16:33:31 GMT -6
hmm if I was a sneakier person, I could citiizes pro tools for some feature or other and wait for drill to tell me how it's done !
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 16, 2015 16:46:06 GMT -6
Since we're on the subject of Pro Tools and editing, I have a question if anybody would like to help this poor fool. LOL I'm using Pro Tools non HD software. I would like to cut the waveform of a track into pieces and be able to volume automate these waveforms. Yet, when I do this in PT, I still get the long line of the volume automation of the entire track. Is it possible to just automate a small section of a cut waveform only? That alone would make my life much easier. Also, once I do a volume edit using the trim tool over the selected area, if I want to change this edit by trying to get a hold of the grabber points and getting the exact points I'm often a bit over and it will lift the volume line after the trimmed portion. So, I have to go back and try it again. Is there something I'm not understanding? You would think you could lock onto this edit easily, but for me the trim grabber points are so small that it's very hard to get the start and finish points precisely. Thanks to anybody with suggestions. I have an answer for this, but without my hands on the keyboard I can't remeber the stroke haha, I'll look when I get home and hit u up frank 8)
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Post by jazznoise on Oct 16, 2015 16:55:27 GMT -6
I have a macro that makes auditioning and substituting words or syllables in context ridiculously easy in Pro Tools. Two decades of macros that have been passed around post facilities is another part of why Pro Tools is standard. I didn't mention it above but Pro Tools was also the first DAW that could lock to picture or a multitrack that was cheap enough to put on a credit card. People talking about it being "expensive" is always a real eye-roller. Market rates have changed, the market size has changed. If other people can over software of the same or higher quality for less money, then "too expensive" is a legitimate argument. It's not like they're still reclaiming the R&D costs of implementing SMPTE.
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Post by swurveman on Oct 16, 2015 17:01:14 GMT -6
Frank - have you tried the clip gain feature? I think that's the fastest way to do what you want to do. Otherwise, if you select between breakpoints (in other words between the 1st and second breakpoint, all the auto, and then between the 3rd and 4th breakpoint), . . ________________ . . your automation will trim exactly without affecting any other regions. If there is no moving auto in the region, double clicking OR grabbing the automation line within the region and trimming up and down will trim everything in the region - simple - again without affecting any other region. I hope I'm understanding & hope you figure it out. Bill- I don't have two breakpoints on each side. Here's what mine looks like: . . | | ._______. Sorry, I couldn't get the horizontal lines to go long enough, but there are four breakpoints in my version of PT. There aren't two on each side like your example, where I can select between the two breakpoints. So, I guess I'm better off doing clip gain, unless there's some preference or change I can make to have two breakpoints on each side, which would be wonderful!. EDIT: I'll put two breakpoints in manually per side and see if selecting between them solves my problem. Fingers crossed. :-) And kcatthedog, trust me I don't have anything against PT. I am mixing a 16 song album all done in PT and I would really had been up a creek if I didn't have Pro Tools, because one guy did about 30 guitar takes he wanted me to comp and non of them started at the same time stamp. So, at least I was able to get the time stamp info within the PT project he sent me and line it up with my session. 23 minutes ago
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Oct 16, 2015 17:40:19 GMT -6
Nobody has made anything as good as Pro Tools overall other than for MIDI. If they had, I can assure you most Pro Tools users would have switched.
As for Avid, they are pretty much following Microsoft, Adobe and Autodesk's lead into software as a service since they have been losing money for over a decade with their previous business model. I prefer them doing this as opposed to selling out to Harman or Sony who would probably ditch all of the music features and turn it into HD post production software as a service.
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Post by ericn on Oct 16, 2015 18:58:13 GMT -6
Nobody has made anything as good as Pro Tools overall other than for MIDI. If they had, I can assure you most Pro Tools users would have switched. As for Avid, they are pretty much following Microsoft, Adobe and Autodesk's lead into software as a service since they have been losing money for over a decade with their previous business model. I prefer them doing this as opposed to selling out to Harman or Sony who would probably ditch all of the music features and turn it into HD post production software as a service. Exactly what I have been saying for ever!
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Post by porkyman on Oct 16, 2015 19:49:50 GMT -6
comping is virtually identical as cubase only it doesnt automatically jump the part that is highlighted up. you have to press up. the reason is, and this is why PT is superior to me, is that PT plays back highlighted regions. so if i want to listen to one section. i highlight it and listen. i dont have to go all the way to the top, or find an empty space, to select where to play from. you also dont have to constantly change tools in PT. the only time i really ever need to change tools is for time stretching. the one other major problem with the cubase model is the inspector. having to select a track. go all the way to the left change its parameters. then select the next track. go all the way back and adjust etc. it is so inefficient.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Oct 16, 2015 19:55:36 GMT -6
By the way, Dan probably has the same HD upgrade from complete production tool kit that I have. Avid stopped selling it beginning with PT 11.
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Post by mulmany on Oct 17, 2015 1:07:21 GMT -6
By the way, Dan probably has the same HD upgrade from complete production tool kit that I have. Avid stopped selling it beginning with PT 11. It's still listed on their site. You can upgrade to PT12HD if you have CPT2. I would hope they would honor what is on the site, but we know how that goes. I have CPT2 and have thought about trading up before they nix it.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 17, 2015 4:45:03 GMT -6
I am not anti pro tools as a daw. It's the only one I have really used so feels like home.
I am anti avid's changes to dot releases availability and pricing.
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Post by WKG on Oct 17, 2015 6:10:05 GMT -6
I am not anti pro tools as a daw. It's the only one I have really used so feels like home. I am anti avid's changes to dot releases availability and pricing. Yup. I like PT very much also. it's Avid's lying deceitfulness that I find disgusting, they cannot be trusted. At the end of the day liars have always proved a bad investment, whatever else they bring to the table.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 17, 2015 7:06:01 GMT -6
ya $99 a year for current software isn't terrible, its how avid is doing business that truly upsets me; enough that I now wonder, if I want to support the company with my hard earned money at all; or just move on.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Oct 17, 2015 7:47:39 GMT -6
there's got to be a "what can I do i ProTools that I can't do in _____" list or site somewhere...
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 17, 2015 8:29:54 GMT -6
ya $99 a year for current software isn't terrible, its how avid is doing business that truly upsets me; enough that I now wonder, if I want to support the company with my hard earned money at all; or just move on. Is it $99 a year for vanilla now? Last I knew it was $199 a year, i haven't been paying attention for a bit
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Post by b1 on Oct 17, 2015 9:24:21 GMT -6
That's the question... what does ProTools do that no other DAW does?
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Oct 17, 2015 9:48:09 GMT -6
Pro Tools is more like an Erector set and less like a porta-studio. It can be adapted to do whatever is required and in most cases it's pretty intuitive for us really old pfarts who started out using man-sized patch bays. (I'm the guy who ran most studios out of patch cords.)
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 17, 2015 9:51:25 GMT -6
avid has come back with some options cheapest is $99 for an update to 12 annual license which is not subscription so at end of year u can upgrade again theoretically at $99
no support no guitar plugs but you get 12
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Post by b1 on Oct 17, 2015 9:59:10 GMT -6
I'm not grasping why PT is adversely diff from other DAWs and why it's so hard to move to another DAW. I'm running half a dozen DAWs with plans of adding another one in the coming months. The work flow in each is a "little" different, but nothing so drastic that I can't switch back and forth. It's refreshing to work with other DAWs for a different feel/flow, that breaks the monotony from one project to the next.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Oct 17, 2015 10:01:27 GMT -6
They are between a rock and a hard place. Wall Street wants subscription and plug-in developers want everybody on 12 because off line bounce and freeze are both huge compatibility changes. Next, they'll probably raise the perpetual buy-in to keep it more expensive than renting.
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Post by rocinante on Oct 17, 2015 10:06:54 GMT -6
That's the question... what does ProTools do that no other DAW does? Nothing other than look professional to clients and make it very simple to jump from studio to studio like myself. I had n hd core rig with an accell and process. After losing them in a flood via bursted pipes I went the motu route using higher end converters as well as bla modded motus and decided to learn a new daw but continued on with pt as well. Studio one looked the most familiar coming from a pt background so i went for that, although now that I look back I cant see how I made that connection. NowadaysI really like studio one and although I Need to use pro tools cause of my jumping between other places and my own I'd just assume use Studio One exclusively. It seems catered to the musician/engineer/producer (like myself). I've never had a midi, hardware, or software problem (studio one has an extensive and updated list so you can just pick), use 24 io daily without a hiccup and with plug ins on at least have of the channels. The one good thing from that flood was i was released from avids claws, and learned a new daw. I wish they made a decent pt to other daw translator (I tried aa translator and it had problems) cause id ditch pt altogether. And btw nowadays im using a dell 690 running windows 7 with a more recent gigabyte motherboard, 24 gigs of ram, a couple of ssd drives and a few 1t hdds. Basically a 690 case. For the past two years its been very good to me.
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