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Post by cowboycoalminer on Sept 18, 2013 18:16:34 GMT -6
is almost unlistenable these days. They are absolutely crushing music. It's just makes me wince to hear it and I'm talking about major label stuff. What has happened to their ears these days??? Can't they hear this??? I mean, we talk about (and use) saturation, compression, limiting but these guys are taking it to such extremes, the music is for shit. Number one right now on billboard is Luke Bryan's latest fart and I honestly can't get past the first averse before I'm forced to turn it off. I'd rather listen to someone puke. We bitch and moan all the time about the shitty material that's being cut these days but even the engineers and mastering houses are getting in on the stinkfest.
Makes me want to boycott this shit. Yes, I get mad about it.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 18, 2013 18:40:50 GMT -6
I have a lot to say about it. But It wears me out so much that I can't even delve into it at the moment. I'll come back when I have the gumption to sit down and write an epistle. It's absolute soul draining. The whole industry is turned upside down. Of course there are exceptions, but for the large part, talent is ignored and mediocrity and greed rewarded.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 18, 2013 18:45:34 GMT -6
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Post by jazznoise on Sept 18, 2013 18:52:15 GMT -6
I think where the current system has rewarded the sincerely talented over the severely financed has been the exception rather than the rule. Pop Music is Commercial Music. Easiest way to make a buck wins, pure and simple. Bring back Crazy Frog Ringtones.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 18, 2013 19:01:02 GMT -6
Yikes John, that track sounds like a Saturday Night Live skit. Same bird brains who watch "reality" TV people will love it, unfortunately, there's a lot of them.
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 18, 2013 19:02:43 GMT -6
I feel your pain cowboy, remember when competition was based on "my song is better than your song", now, and for quite sometime, it's "my song is louder than your song" wtf? I never imagined i'd see the day that the fundamental physical principles of a quality music listening experience, would be literally flushed down the toilet to perpetuate some idiotic and delusional idea of one upsmanship?, let alone watch it continually devolve for over a decade now? It's like these turd hurlers never reach the bottom?? lol!
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 18, 2013 19:08:06 GMT -6
I just checked out as much of that turd as i could stand, JK, you need to get us a face palm emoticon please!
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Post by popmann on Sept 18, 2013 19:13:19 GMT -6
I have (edit-boycotted it). I'm trying to think of the last NashVegas production I bought. When was the last Martina? I knew the last Trisha Yearwood was the last one I LIKED. I hear them from time to time--new Leeann Rimes is crushed to all piss. Unlistenable. Sounds like there's some good material there, but...I just can't do it.
I bought Shannon Labrie's record. Wonderful. Not country.
Love Dave Stewart's last....which McBride recorded at BB...but, isn't part of this town's scene exactly.
On the country front, Kim Richey and Jason IsBell's latest sound wonderful. Wonderful. I don't hand that out often--and I can't say either of the two are setting me on fire musically, but...He actually released a DR12 CD in 2013. Thank you, Jason for finally f'n GETTING IT--artists just have to have balls. A label doesn't pay for mastering--that is recoupable, thus that is YOUR call.
I promised beginning of this year I wouldn't buy anything with single digit DRs. Which would've meant I bought almost nothing. I can't NOT buy the new Sara Bareilles because it's a DR7. You know-I got the vinyl too--but it's not any more dynamic. It would "score" better due to the elliptical filter needed that would remove a lot of low frequency RMS, but...the vinyl craze isn't based in sonics, either. I bought my first record player since I was like 17 this year to fight the dynamic crushing...but, the irony is--they've gotten really good at loud vinyl. So, some--Mayer's Continuum is DR10 on vinyl and DR6 on CD--big deal. But, most, once you gain match them could be cut front the CD for all I can tell--they're just EQ'd like vinyl needs to be.
This is my pet issue. I've come to realize this is just not arguable. You know-when it was an SACD thing...OK....I "get" that most people won't hear much improvement...I still think the industry should've cut over in full in 2000. But, MUCH more important than the nuances of sample rate and delivery formats is this loudness thing. It seem to be misunderstood by too many. But, one thing I can PROMISE a home recordist--you do a competent job and NOT crush it? You can beat (sonically) what's in the top 40--for the first time in my entire life. The label output has gotten SO bad--and I'm not making commentary on the material, which is a separate concern--I just mean the sound.
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Post by mobeach on Sept 18, 2013 19:40:07 GMT -6
I like Blake Sheltons band, they have that commercial pop hit Boys round here but other than that his new CD is pretty decent, They have some nice vocals going on. I'm basing my opinion on their "Live Room" performances at Electric Lady studios.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 18, 2013 19:56:50 GMT -6
I guess I'm probably focusing on the material more than the sound of it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2013 20:30:53 GMT -6
I still really like all of Rascal Flatt's records, and I'm a jazz musician  I think their stuff is tops, but that's the only country i've ever listened to. |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Sept 18, 2013 21:04:37 GMT -6
Just noticed that my last post was number 251. Ironic, I've been looking at 251's all day. Anyway, I agree with you Popman. For the first time in my life, I listen to the stuff I put out here and can honestly say a lot of it is better than Nashville. And I'm being MODEST when I say it. That's how bad it's gotten down there. The musicianship is still the best in the world in that town but the greedy knuckleheads that turn the screws are destroying a good thing. And artists and studios let them because their hands are tied. It's a sad state of affairs for sure when a nobody like me can work out of a basement studio and one up those dimwits.
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Post by popmann on Sept 18, 2013 22:33:33 GMT -6
I still really like all of Rascal Flatt's records, and I'm a jazz musician I think their stuff is tops, but that's the only country i've ever listened to. Don't worry, you've still not heard country music.  |
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Post by unit7 on Sept 18, 2013 23:40:43 GMT -6
I still really like all of Rascal Flatt's records, and I'm a jazz musician I think their stuff is tops, but that's the only country i've ever listened to. Don't worry, you've still not heard country music.  Ok, so how about Vince Gill (still haven't heard his latest) and Allison Krauss? Those are my favorites. I know AK is bluegrass of course, but aren't both considered country artists? |
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Post by levon on Sept 18, 2013 23:46:34 GMT -6
I just checked out as much of that turd as i could stand, JK, you need to get us a face palm emoticon please! And a puke emoticon, please. That crap is unbearable and should be classified as environmental pollution. This is so generic and predictable, with all the country music cliches that I, as someone who's not into that genre, can think of, it's unreal. But it's typical for the industry, nobody cares about the music, it's all about the dollar. As long as people buy this $hit, it will be produced. It's been a long time since record labels actually developed an artist long-term or label executives were music lovers. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 19, 2013 0:38:43 GMT -6
I just checked out as much of that turd as i could stand, JK, you need to get us a face palm emoticon please! And a puke emoticon, please. That crap is unbearable and should be classified as environmental pollution. This is so generic and predictable, with all the country music cliches that I, as someone who's not into that genre, can think of, it's unreal. But it's typical for the industry, nobody cares about the music, it's all about the dollar. As long as people buy this $hit, it will be produced. It's been a long time since record labels actually developed an artist long-term or label executives were music lovers. lmao levon! look what i found....  |
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Post by levon on Sept 19, 2013 4:57:14 GMT -6
And a puke emoticon, please. That crap is unbearable and should be classified as environmental pollution. This is so generic and predictable, with all the country music cliches that I, as someone who's not into that genre, can think of, it's unreal. But it's typical for the industry, nobody cares about the music, it's all about the dollar. As long as people buy this $hit, it will be produced. It's been a long time since record labels actually developed an artist long-term or label executives were music lovers. lmao levon! look what i found.... Brilliant, lol |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 6:28:47 GMT -6
I think that song "Ellsworth" is a pretty good song, and definitely falls into my definition of what country music should sound like.
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Post by matt on Sept 19, 2013 7:54:32 GMT -6
I got 24 seconds into the song before turning it off. And 85% of 684 people "Love It". What a shame. I realize that most music has simple themes (love/lust/longing/loss/etc) but the inclusion of utter crassness should be purposeful, not accidental. But this song is so crass IMHO that it fits the definition of (musical) pornography as defined by the American government: it has no redeeming value whatsoever. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 8:23:34 GMT -6
ok finally listened to that song. It's like they teamed up with T.I. or 2 Chainz for writing the lyrics. So, i think it's more that you could say "look how much rap culture has influenced other types of music", than "this song is musical porno". altho, it is awful. But they're definitely trying to cross-breed the genres. However, i am thankful that they're not praising skinny blue-eyed blondes with no ass and fake tits for once lol
Do you guys remember when that brian mcknight song came out a few months ago that was somethin' like "lemme show you what the tongue is for", and he released a statement saying the song was a joke, and CollegeHumor even released a parody video staring him? This might be the same type of thing, who knows...
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Post by henge on Sept 19, 2013 9:21:40 GMT -6
Man that sucks large. Forced myself to at least get to the chorus. Shouldn't have done that!LOL I thought the loudness wars were being defeated in Nashville, but I guess not. DR7,6 is ridiculous, just ridiculous!! |
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Post by scumbum on Sept 19, 2013 9:52:36 GMT -6
I feel your pain . Living in 2013 , EVERYTHING SUCKS !!!! Entertainment wise . Its depressing but once you accept it , like I did a few years back , you just stop caring and do your own thing . I don't expect anything good to come out any more . The only music I buy is used CD's , usually pre-1995 , no remasters . Same goes for everything else I like too , movies , TV , Video games , its all pre-95..........So let the crap continue to come out , I don't care , I expect it to come out .
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Post by popmann on Sept 19, 2013 9:58:19 GMT -6
Don't worry, you've still not heard country music. Ok, so how about Vince Gill (still haven't heard his latest) and Allison Krauss? Those are my favorites. I know AK is bluegrass of course, but aren't both considered country artists? I am just joking to some degree...I haven't heard much actual country from Nashville since the 90s at some point. As a kid who grew up with Willie and Highwaymen and Dolly and Straight...it's all pop with a faux twang now. But, I mentioned Kim Richey and Jason Isbell. More country in the veins of those records than anything this industry of MileyTwangFortheLowestCommonDenominator puts out. There's a certain amount of the old saying "if you see the sausage made, you'll never eat sausage again"...I said this over on the purple site...but lack of a gag reflex is the new musical talent. Since the Dixie split (though I really don't want to talk politics) the industry has been market research driven music making. Not making music and figuring out how to market it....but, simply figuring out what the market wants (or thinks it does) and making THAT music. That illusion. That image. Vince is a wonderful human being with an incredible musical talent. As is his wife, who I might add gets props for releasing an HDCD in 2013!! So, for anyone who can properly decode it, a very nice sounding record. I'm telling you--between Joss Stone and Amy Grant, and Gabe Dixon and Kim Richey and Jason Isbell--Nashville's music community is putting out a lot of stuff I like a lot. It just isn't coming from the machine I refer to as NashVegas. |
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Post by jsteiger on Sept 19, 2013 10:28:15 GMT -6
popmann, my buddy Dave Cobb produced the latest Jason Isbell record, done at Dave's studio in Green Hills. He also recently finished the new, yet to be released Lindi Ortega record. I heard the raw tracks from that and was floored. All cut live including vox. The Lindi record was the first complete project on his new Helios. Dave has is going on right now. Vibe for days and about as far from commercial country radio as you can get. I know he does what he wants to do and could care less about the Nashville machine. I have been a fan of modern CM for the last 10 years or so but the recent stuff has really been turning me off. Who's been following the Zac Brown / Luke Bryan thing? Zac call's out LB's latest single as shit and he's right. I hate it. Written by the opposite of JK. www.countryweekly.com/news/zac-brown-luke-bryan-hit-new-song-worst-song-ive-ever-heard
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 19, 2013 11:19:02 GMT -6
I just checked out as much of that turd as i could stand, JK, you need to get us a face palm emoticon please! But it's typical for the industry, nobody cares about the music, it's all about the dollar. As long as people buy this $hit, it will be produced. It's been a long time since record labels actually developed an artist long-term or label executives were music lovers. THIS |
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I think their stuff is tops, but that's the only country i've ever listened to. 
Ok, so how about Vince Gill (still haven't heard his latest) and Allison Krauss? Those are my favorites. I know AK is bluegrass of course, but aren't both considered country artists?
