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Post by crash on Jun 3, 2015 10:18:44 GMT -6
I really dig these types of threads just to hear how everyone does it different for the same tune. I have a mix done that I will post later today or tomorrow.
I know Wiz has said there was a vocal oddity here and there but I didn't hear anything weird enough to fix or that bothered me. On a side note, I listened and listened to the Floor Tom track and I don't hear anything on that track other than open mic bleed.
Anyway, so far, all the mixes I have listened to have been pretty fun to check out.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 3, 2015 10:20:16 GMT -6
I really dig these types of threads just to hear how everyone does it different for the same tune. I have a mix done that I will post later today or tomorrow. I know Wiz has said there was a vocal oddity here and there but I didn't hear anything weird enough to fix or that bothered me. On a side note, I listened and listened to the Floor Tom track and I don't hear anything on that track other than open mic bleed. Anyway, so far, all the mixes I have listened to have been pretty fun to check out. The acoustic guitar has a random tom hit in it towards the end. |
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Post by crash on Jun 3, 2015 10:25:02 GMT -6
I really dig these types of threads just to hear how everyone does it different for the same tune. I have a mix done that I will post later today or tomorrow. I know Wiz has said there was a vocal oddity here and there but I didn't hear anything weird enough to fix or that bothered me. On a side note, I listened and listened to the Floor Tom track and I don't hear anything on that track other than open mic bleed. Anyway, so far, all the mixes I have listened to have been pretty fun to check out. The acoustic guitar has a random tom hit in it towards the end. That may be but did you see/hear anything on the floor tom other than an open mic? |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 3, 2015 10:27:53 GMT -6
The acoustic guitar has a random tom hit in it towards the end. That may be but did you see/hear anything on the floor tom other than an open mic? Nope. I just muted it for my mix. |
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Post by crash on Jun 3, 2015 10:36:15 GMT -6
Nope. I just muted it for my mix. OK, I am not loosing it. Thanks for the verification. |
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Post by crash on Jun 3, 2015 15:39:18 GMT -6
https%3A//soundcloud.com/miximusmaximus/fool-me-once
Here is my first run at it. I'll probably do another in the next day or so. I still need to fix the tom issue that bothers me...maybe later tonight.
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Post by jazznoise on Jun 3, 2015 16:03:39 GMT -6
Nope. I just muted it for my mix. OK, I am not loosing it. Thanks for the verification. The timing on some of the fills is dodgy, is what Wiz was getting at. The vocals have a few bum notes. Like literally 2. BUT I AINT TELLIN' YA WHERE!! |
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Post by tyford on Jun 3, 2015 18:38:05 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 19:11:15 GMT -6
Welcome, Ty! I really like the wet mix no.2, nice, wide, warm, and the background vocals have a very nice vibe in this one!
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Post by tyford on Jun 3, 2015 19:30:12 GMT -6
Thank you very much, SBF,
I haven't listened to yours yet, but will. For me, the tracks were so well done and the music so well arranged that the tune was very easy to mix..
I have two different reverbs in the two mix; a short and a long, and cross fired the sends on the hard panned tracks to push the reverbs to the opposite sides to get a spacey fill.
A little EQ here and there. One or two small track volume dips to move the e.guitar out of the way of the vocal, then bring it back up and a little bump on the vocal on two spots to pull it up at the end of a line. (I'm very big on hearing the vocals.)
I broadened the LF on the bass and kick track so they could be heard on small systems. (something I've been doing a lot of lately due to client demands to hear mixes "properly" on iPnones, Sheesh!)
I'm using Event Opals for critical mixing these days.
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Post by tyford on Jun 3, 2015 20:24:17 GMT -6
SBF,
I thought ours were similar, except for the part where I swapped the tremolo and acoustic guitars. I like what you dod and after listening to a bunch of the efforts I have to say, again, that wiz handed us some really choice tracks.
After hearing the first playback, I decided that to put bells and whistles on it was just wrong, so I used very light touches on everything I did.
Thanks Wiz!
Regards,
Ty Ford
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Post by geoff738 on Jun 3, 2015 23:06:09 GMT -6
SBF, I thought ours were similar, except for the part where I swapped the tremolo and acoustic guitars. I like what you dod and after listening to a bunch of the efforts I have to say, again, that wiz handed us some really choice tracks. After hearing the first playback, I decided that to put bells and whistles on it was just wrong, so I used very light touches on everything I did. Thanks Wiz! Regards, Ty Ford I had a quick go at trying to mix this a week or so ago. I tried to take it in another direction - sorta-kinda somewhat like what odyssey did- having a bit of a Lanois thing in mind. Really just because I figured most would probably try a fairly strait forward stab at it and I'd never really tried a Lanois-ish thing before and I thought I heard a way into that in the electric guitar part. But in the end, I played my attempt and compared with Wiz's faders up (and panned) suggestion. And it just smoked what I tried. This don't need no stinking bells and whistles. It's all kinda right there already. Wiz already pointed the way in the arrangement to keep things simple. I also discovered that things in the monitors that were panned centre were skewing left. I think its my POS cheapo monitor control. But that's another story. First, thank you Peter (Wiz) for doing this. The thing I'm trying to pull out of this exercise is how to get a full sounding mix from fairly spare instrumentation. Which is something I suck at - I admit to having a phobia about doing LCR when there aren't relatively equal things happening on both sides. But Wiz's stuff, even without any "bells and whistles" seems to avoid that fate. This song is a perfect example, as is pretty much anything off his recent disc Fourth Time Lucky. The faders up mix sounded "right" - right off the bat. It was kinda dumb of me really to want to pull it in a different direction. But fairly quickly the song showed me I was off the mark. Anyways, I think the full mix from sparse instrumentation thing is probably a topic for a separate thread. And I've had a few beers. Maybe I just need to mix better songs. Thanks again Wiz for offering this one with all that is going on in your life. Looking forward to getting my monitors sorted and having a listen to how the different mixes have used space/ambience, delays, verbs etc. (or not). I'm definitely gonna learn a bunch from this. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by crash on Jun 4, 2015 5:59:28 GMT -6
Anyone know what key this tune is in?
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Post by M57 on Jun 4, 2015 12:39:39 GMT -6
Anyone know what key this tune is in? A minor |
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Post by wiz on Jun 4, 2015 16:22:10 GMT -6
Since the panning isn't really a "rule" per se, I've made some tweaks. Here's a bit different version. Little more movement with the guitars. Not really sure if it's better or worse though. Only had about 25 minutes on my lunch. https%3A//soundcloud.com/jessecoutu/peter-knight-fool-me-once-jesse-coutu-non-lcr-mix...PS, I'm a dick and didn't make this a low volume version. I added a fade to the end with master fader automation, then didn't have time to screw with it and make it quiet. Sorry it's hot. Firstly, apologies for not getting back quickly to everyones mixes... I plan on doing that today.... I will do a couple now, then I got to head out to do my weekly radio gig guide thingy, and do the rest when I get back. Jesse I said it last time, your balances are spot on.. to my taste anyways... Your live experience really shows, and bands must love you 8) I really like this mix... great job cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Jun 4, 2015 16:28:44 GMT -6
Hey Jason firstly thanks for having a go and posting the result. one word... MONO! alright, a MONO MIX. (well I assume its what you want and you checked your bounce right LOL 8) ) Puts a whole different spin on the track. Very cool. The tom error is in there (he he) Nice job bud cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Jun 4, 2015 16:30:51 GMT -6
I really dig these types of threads just to hear how everyone does it different for the same tune. I have a mix done that I will post later today or tomorrow. I know Wiz has said there was a vocal oddity here and there but I didn't hear anything weird enough to fix or that bothered me. On a side note, I listened and listened to the Floor Tom track and I don't hear anything on that track other than open mic bleed. Anyway, so far, all the mixes I have listened to have been pretty fun to check out. There are a couple of "nasties" in the tracks.. One of em was a mistake, that rather than fix I left in there, as I thought it would be interesting to see how people fixed it, missed it, enhanced it... And then after thinking along those lines, I put a couple of intentional things in there... 8) evil wiz 8) LOL...... just all about fun really... cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Jun 4, 2015 16:32:28 GMT -6
I really dig these types of threads just to hear how everyone does it different for the same tune. I have a mix done that I will post later today or tomorrow. I know Wiz has said there was a vocal oddity here and there but I didn't hear anything weird enough to fix or that bothered me. On a side note, I listened and listened to the Floor Tom track and I don't hear anything on that track other than open mic bleed. Anyway, so far, all the mixes I have listened to have been pretty fun to check out. The acoustic guitar has a random tom hit in it towards the end. That was the mistake that got left.... It happened because of how I revamped, and left a bus assignment there.... still was cool thing .. cause as mixers when we get other peoples tracks to mix..... we should expect that kind of knuckleheadedness... 8) cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Jun 4, 2015 16:40:12 GMT -6
https%3A//soundcloud.com/miximusmaximus/fool-me-onceHere is my first run at it. I'll probably do another in the next day or so. I still need to fix the tom issue that bothers me...maybe later tonight. Hey crash thanks for taking the time to do a mix and put up for everyone to hear bud... very cool. First reaction, Deep. Deep is cool. 8) Then the arrangement change, excellent... really good.. it needs something like that.. really really cool. Delay on the acoustic is cool. Cymbals sound really nice, hard panned. Notes I want to EQ things in the mix differently. The whole song is neither bright, dull, or super even balanced tonal wise. Some things are spot on, others a little dull and some bright. Have a listen to that, with that in mind.. then listen to the "Faders up " mix and see what I mean. The fade out is to jumpy, fades gots ta be smooth 8) Tom error is in there 8) cheers and thanks great job Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Jun 4, 2015 16:47:45 GMT -6
Hi Ty I picked number 2 to listen to and write about. First reaction , Spooky... I like Spooky, I dig that vibe... its really interesting how the song has had different lives in the hands of different mix ideas.. really cool... Nice vocal tone and love the tremolo aspects of the mix Interesting that this one is reverse perspective pan wise. Good for me cause it helps me focus cause its different. notes... the back vox seem really loud and startled me a bit 8) ( i do like there quality though) The centre level of everything is a few dB louder than the sides to me.... but having said that I really like the balance of the hook guitar in the chorus's. Thanks for doing the mix(s) and posting them cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Jun 4, 2015 16:51:08 GMT -6
SBF, I thought ours were similar, except for the part where I swapped the tremolo and acoustic guitars. I like what you dod and after listening to a bunch of the efforts I have to say, again, that wiz handed us some really choice tracks. After hearing the first playback, I decided that to put bells and whistles on it was just wrong, so I used very light touches on everything I did. Thanks Wiz! Regards, Ty Ford I had a quick go at trying to mix this a week or so ago. I tried to take it in another direction - sorta-kinda somewhat like what odyssey did- having a bit of a Lanois thing in mind. Really just because I figured most would probably try a fairly strait forward stab at it and I'd never really tried a Lanois-ish thing before and I thought I heard a way into that in the electric guitar part. But in the end, I played my attempt and compared with Wiz's faders up (and panned) suggestion. And it just smoked what I tried. This don't need no stinking bells and whistles. It's all kinda right there already. Wiz already pointed the way in the arrangement to keep things simple. I also discovered that things in the monitors that were panned centre were skewing left. I think its my POS cheapo monitor control. But that's another story. First, thank you Peter (Wiz) for doing this. The thing I'm trying to pull out of this exercise is how to get a full sounding mix from fairly spare instrumentation. Which is something I suck at - I admit to having a phobia about doing LCR when there aren't relatively equal things happening on both sides. But Wiz's stuff, even without any "bells and whistles" seems to avoid that fate. This song is a perfect example, as is pretty much anything off his recent disc Fourth Time Lucky. The faders up mix sounded "right" - right off the bat. It was kinda dumb of me really to want to pull it in a different direction. But fairly quickly the song showed me I was off the mark. Anyways, I think the full mix from sparse instrumentation thing is probably a topic for a separate thread. And I've had a few beers. Maybe I just need to mix better songs. Thanks again Wiz for offering this one with all that is going on in your life. Looking forward to getting my monitors sorted and having a listen to how the different mixes have used space/ambience, delays, verbs etc. (or not). I'm definitely gonna learn a bunch from this. Cheers, Geoff Geoff this reply made me really happy.... Not because of the lovely things you said, which are well...... lovely 8) But that its gonna inspire you to do things, and thats really awesome and the whole reason we hang together as enthusiasts of the same thing, regardless of our abilities... thanks for writing that, makes the effort to do this worthwhile.. have another beer dude... 8) cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Jun 4, 2015 16:52:23 GMT -6
I think I am caught up with everyone, if I have missed you shoot me a PM and I will get on it.
Great stuff fellas, and its really fun to hear them.. hope everyone is checking out everyone else's mixes.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 4, 2015 17:10:25 GMT -6
The acoustic guitar has a random tom hit in it towards the end. That was the mistake that got left.... It happened because of how I revamped, and left a bus assignment there.... still was cool thing .. cause as mixers when we get other peoples tracks to mix..... we should expect that kind of knuckleheadedness... 8) cheers Wiz yeah, but when I'm just messomixing around and not getting $$, I don't sit there and listen down 14 tracks x 3 1/2 minutes=49 minutes! The mistakes stay!! 8) seriously though, when i get some shit finished here/some time(new JWilliams no holds barred modded master channel strips on monday 8), i would like to do a solid mix on this tune OTB 8) Wiz, maybe when you get here the timing will be right, and we'll break this rig in?.. time permitting of course... |
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Post by donr on Jun 4, 2015 19:49:21 GMT -6
I'd bought a UAD voucher which expired, and I got an extension, so I had to try out some UAD plugs quickly. So I opened "Fool Me Once" again and auditioned some stuff. The Manley Variable Mu is a nicerizer, makes everything sound better. The Maag EQ is nice, I'd never used any version of it. The Dangerous bax eq is sweet too. I also used the Ampex 2-trk for the first time. I tweaked my mix, and the result is better enough that I'm posting this latest version. It's never seen any analog since it left Wiz' house. www.dropbox.com/l/YJOt0oGoEXSKA6OiOqAmmo |
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Post by Jason on Jun 4, 2015 20:21:14 GMT -6
Peter - I'm an idiot...that was my first bounce since migrating from Logic to Pro Tools. [facepalm]. Here's the stereo version (also working on a revision which incorporates some of Odyssey76's arrangement and FX ideas): Fool Me Once (Print Track)Hey Jason firstly thanks for having a go and posting the result. one word... MONO! alright, a MONO MIX. (well I assume its what you want and you checked your bounce right LOL 8) ) Puts a whole different spin on the track. Very cool. The tom error is in there (he he) Nice job bud cheers Wiz |
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