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Post by wiz on May 17, 2015 19:58:38 GMT -6
Wiz I always ask cats older than me .... would you arrange it diffrent.... its good to get new input..... we may get some creatve culture at RGO? I would love to change up the arrangement, Justins arrangement really excited me. cheers Wiz PS who says I am old? 8) I am though 8( |
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Post by mrholmes on May 18, 2015 5:35:20 GMT -6
Wiz I always ask cats older than me .... would you arrange it diffrent.... its good to get new input..... we may get some creatve culture at RGO? I would love to change up the arrangement, Justins arrangement really excited me. cheers Wiz PS who says I am old? 8) I am though 8( Dont worry we are in the same age, so I mean producers much older than me and you.... |
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 18, 2015 7:42:45 GMT -6
Wow, this thread really blew up quick. I've been overly busy, and haven't really had any studio time in the past couple weeks. I just uploaded this tracks last night and played around with headphones while sitting on my couch last night. I was hoping to get into the studio, but I haven't loaded the AC into the window yet and it was smoking hot up there, so that'll have to wait. I'll mix a little more on my lunch break today and get something posted. Just a rough, ITB version for now, but I plan on coming back and hitting some hardware too.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 11:44:51 GMT -6
Yeah, the re-arrangement has something really cool, odyssey76. I like what you did on the intro. Although, i would have tried to EQ the shit out of it to make it sound a bit higher, or maybe even melodyne it a bit to alienate it even more, although in a pleasant way, LOL. Your mix brought me back to 3 ideas i had while mixing the song, but decided against: 1. Your shakers. I had the idea to add jingles in the second half of the song, somehow like the shakers, but more in the sense like shakers on top of the hihat somehow. 2. Stripping down the arrangement to reach some change from verse to verse. This was really cool in your mix, but i wished you would have had an earlier re-introduction of the missing tracks, maybe at lower volume or fade in, to reach a better climax at the chorus. Don't know if it makes sense to you, don't know how to describe it better... 3. I thought about a carillion or glockenspiel with soft single hits on top of the tremolo guitar. I already heard them in my head while mixing the whole time. But, as for the other ideas, and many others all the time... i abandoned them, cause i hesistated too long and was afraid they were too distracting from the pureness of the song. Maybe i didn't dare it because i was the first one to post a mix, LOL. Thanks for reminding me, Justin, that sometimes you just have to be tough and simply do it instead of thinking too long. Haha. Good mix, and thanks for the inspiration! |
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Post by odyssey76 on May 18, 2015 19:57:16 GMT -6
@smallbutfine - yeah, I thought I was taking a bit of a risk but I remembered that Wiz said it was okay to play with the arrangement just don't make it louder. I think it's really interesting to know how other people hear your music. What one person might hear can be totally different than the next. It's a great experiment to have multiple people mix the same song because, on some subconscious level, their version is based on how the song makes them feel. It's funny you mention the glockenspiel because I can hear it also. There are some serious overtones ringing throughout the song and they're coming from Wiz' Nashville AC guitar. I thought it was unique to my mix until I started listening to others. The tones are almost bell-like and I think they sound so cool. It's almost like there has been another instrument added. I actually like the glockenspiel a lot but please don't tell anyone  BTW - haven't got to your mix yet. I'll have to keep listening tomorrow night so I can hear everyone's version. Great stuff so far..... |
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 19, 2015 13:14:49 GMT -6
Well, here's my sitting on the couch at home/lunchbreak mix. All ITB with headphones. Also, I pulled the master fader down before bouncing to try to get it close to the level of the original, unmixed track.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/jessecoutu/peter-knight-fool-me-once-jesse-coutu-low-level
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Post by svart on May 19, 2015 13:58:30 GMT -6
You know, listening to all of these mixes is really interesting.
I notice a lot of similarities, and some differences. I tend to think there are more similarities in overall tone though.
The differences were all mostly levels, panning and amounts of reverb and effects.
One thing I noticed about a lot of other's mixes was how distant a lot felt compared to mine. Even at the time of my mixing, I felt it could be more "right there" sounding, while everyone else's sounds like you're sitting at a concert in comparison!
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Post by tonycamphd on May 19, 2015 14:04:39 GMT -6
You know, listening to all of these mixes is really interesting. I notice a lot of similarities, and some differences. I tend to think there are more similarities in overall tone though. The differences were all mostly levels, panning and amounts of reverb and effects. One thing I noticed about a lot of other's mixes was how distant a lot felt compared to mine. Even at the time of my mixing, I felt it could be more "right there" sounding, while everyone else's sounds like you're sitting at a concert in comparison! thats because yours is significantly louder than everyone else's, wiz asked specifically not to raise the level on the tune. |
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Post by svart on May 19, 2015 14:05:31 GMT -6
You know, listening to all of these mixes is really interesting. I notice a lot of similarities, and some differences. I tend to think there are more similarities in overall tone though. The differences were all mostly levels, panning and amounts of reverb and effects. One thing I noticed about a lot of other's mixes was how distant a lot felt compared to mine. Even at the time of my mixing, I felt it could be more "right there" sounding, while everyone else's sounds like you're sitting at a concert in comparison! thats because yours is significantly louder than everyone else's, wiz asked specifically not to raise the level on the tune. He did so after I already downloaded and started on it. Besides, it's not just a level thing, it's a vibe thing too. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 19, 2015 14:34:44 GMT -6
You know, listening to all of these mixes is really interesting. I notice a lot of similarities, and some differences. I tend to think there are more similarities in overall tone though. The differences were all mostly levels, panning and amounts of reverb and effects. One thing I noticed about a lot of other's mixes was how distant a lot felt compared to mine. Even at the time of my mixing, I felt it could be more "right there" sounding, while everyone else's sounds like you're sitting at a concert in comparison! I haven't listened to any other mixes yet, but I would think they'll be similar. We had a fairly rigid structure to work with since the panning was requested a certain way and the tracks were recorded well and didn't require a ton of work. I went a bit off base a bit by sending the guitars to a stereo delay so they weren't so hard panned. I couldn't get down with the rigid LCR scheme for the guitars. Also, I feel like the feel of the tune called for a certain style of mix, and I would think we all got that similar vibe from it. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 19, 2015 14:38:49 GMT -6
You know, listening to all of these mixes is really interesting. I notice a lot of similarities, and some differences. I tend to think there are more similarities in overall tone though. The differences were all mostly levels, panning and amounts of reverb and effects. One thing I noticed about a lot of other's mixes was how distant a lot felt compared to mine. Even at the time of my mixing, I felt it could be more "right there" sounding, while everyone else's sounds like you're sitting at a concert in comparison! I haven't listened to any other mixes yet, but I would think they'll be similar. We had a fairly rigid structure to work with since the panning was requested a certain way and the tracks were recorded well and didn't require a ton of work. I went a bit off base a bit by sending the guitars to a stereo delay so they weren't so hard panned. I couldn't get down with the rigid LCR scheme for the guitars. Also, I feel like the feel of the tune called for a certain style of mix, and I would think we all got that similar vibe from it. Well shit, of course yours is different. You didn't follow the panning rules either. If I wasn't locked into the requested panning, it would have a different vibe, but you can't jack up an acoustic to push the song if it's hard panned. |
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Post by svart on May 19, 2015 14:51:52 GMT -6
I haven't listened to any other mixes yet, but I would think they'll be similar. We had a fairly rigid structure to work with since the panning was requested a certain way and the tracks were recorded well and didn't require a ton of work. I went a bit off base a bit by sending the guitars to a stereo delay so they weren't so hard panned. I couldn't get down with the rigid LCR scheme for the guitars. Also, I feel like the feel of the tune called for a certain style of mix, and I would think we all got that similar vibe from it. Well shit, of course yours is different. You didn't follow the panning rules either. If I wasn't locked into the requested panning, it would have a different vibe, but you can't jack up an acoustic to push the song if it's hard panned. Yeah, my acoustic version is hard panned but it's pseudo-stereo. Like I said, I read the original post and downloaded the files, loaded them into the DAW and then a day later I mixed it and then came back to upload the mix. It wasn't until the next morning that I had noticed that the original post was amended to include a ton of "rules". I figured I'd just leave it as-is and let everyone tear it up as they saw fit. Oh well, rules were made to be broken! I still enjoyed the process, and I enjoyed all the versions of mixes regardless of adherence to the rules or not. I just thought it was interesting that the tones of things were pretty close overall. I figured they'd be much more different. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 19, 2015 15:08:43 GMT -6
Well shit, of course yours is different. You didn't follow the panning rules either. If I wasn't locked into the requested panning, it would have a different vibe, but you can't jack up an acoustic to push the song if it's hard panned. Yeah, my acoustic version is hard panned but it's pseudo-stereo. Like I said, I read the original post and downloaded the files, loaded them into the DAW and then a day later I mixed it and then came back to upload the mix. It wasn't until the next morning that I had noticed that the original post was amended to include a ton of "rules". I figured I'd just leave it as-is and let everyone tear it up as they saw fit. Oh well, rules were made to be broken! I still enjoyed the process, and I enjoyed all the versions of mixes regardless of adherence to the rules or not. I just thought it was interesting that the tones of things were pretty close overall. I figured they'd be much more different. Yeah, not trying to slag on you or anything, just pointing out that it's very different because of breaking the rules. The mix sounds cool. I'm looking forward to listening to these in the studio or with some phones rather than just on some desktop computer speakers. Cool stuff so far though. |
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Post by M57 on May 19, 2015 15:25:52 GMT -6
I broke the panning rules - partly because of the way I used the overheads.. But the level thing is psycho-acoustics anyway, isn't it? I mean, just pull all the faders down. I didn't compress the mix, so level match to taste. I suppose if the intent is to have things ready for mastering with the peak levels at -6, that would be one thing, but..
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Post by wiz on May 19, 2015 17:17:17 GMT -6
Well, here's my sitting on the couch at home/lunchbreak mix. All ITB with headphones. Also, I pulled the master fader down before bouncing to try to get it close to the level of the original, unmixed track. https%3A//soundcloud.com/jessecoutu/peter-knight-fool-me-once-jesse-coutu-low-levelHey jcoutu1Thanks for doing the mix and posting... a couch mix 8) My first impression was, this guy knows how to mix, and knowing the amount of live mixing you do, I don't know if I could hear that in the mix or I just injected that,cause I knew who mixed it, I think the former. Its a really really really good mix. I would love to have you mix me playing live. You got it down, in that I can hear everything I need to , when I need to, and there is a really strong credible mixing philosophy behind what you do. It really impressed me. I thought the strong points were the levels. Just right. The drums sounded really good, actually everything sounded cool, i liked the vocal tone. I found the centre panning ish of the backing vocals interesting and different to most. Notes There is some sort of volume ducking on the vibrato les paul in the first strum that sounds weird, automation glitch? The noises at the end would have to go. The tom errors are in there 8) I am also surprised, so far I think only one person other than myself has corrected the couple of vocal notes that are sour.. (which evil Wiz did on purpose... 8)... its not all peace love and mungbeans you know... ) 8) thanks again.. really good solid mix job. cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on May 19, 2015 17:21:06 GMT -6
You know, listening to all of these mixes is really interesting. I notice a lot of similarities, and some differences. I tend to think there are more similarities in overall tone though. The differences were all mostly levels, panning and amounts of reverb and effects. One thing I noticed about a lot of other's mixes was how distant a lot felt compared to mine. Even at the time of my mixing, I felt it could be more "right there" sounding, while everyone else's sounds like you're sitting at a concert in comparison! I haven't listened to any other mixes yet, but I would think they'll be similar. We had a fairly rigid structure to work with since the panning was requested a certain way and the tracks were recorded well and didn't require a ton of work. I went a bit off base a bit by sending the guitars to a stereo delay so they weren't so hard panned. I couldn't get down with the rigid LCR scheme for the guitars. Also, I feel like the feel of the tune called for a certain style of mix, and I would think we all got that similar vibe from it. I didn't mean for anyone to HAVE to do anything... just that they listen to the mix once, as I laid out so they could hear, what I heard prior to mixing... sorry, I really tried to make that clear and obviously failed.. People can do what they want.. they just have to deliver a mix at the end, that is no louder... I find the responses to the request to deliver the final mix at approx the same volume as the rough mix to be curious. You can run it as loud as you wan through your SLAMATRON 50000 whilst mixing, and pin your ears back against your head and vibe along all you want 8) Just bounce it at the same volume out. The idea was that way when people inevitably put up soundcloud links etc embedded in the post, you could listen to one then another and have relative volumes the same... Surely, as mix engineers we can do that.. can't we 8) cheers Wiz |
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Post by kcatthedog on May 19, 2015 17:25:45 GMT -6
"Surely, as mix engineers we can do that.. can't we ?" ah,, mix up the directions ? great tune and interesting to hear the different interpretations: good on you, mate !! I am going to start using a new term to "mixinterpret". |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 19:13:17 GMT -6
Surely, as mix engineers we can do that.. can't we 8) cheers Wiz Uhm, wait......let's think about it......uhm.....................no. ;-) It's against my religion. Sort of. :-D |
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 19, 2015 19:26:56 GMT -6
Well, here's my sitting on the couch at home/lunchbreak mix. All ITB with headphones. Also, I pulled the master fader down before bouncing to try to get it close to the level of the original, unmixed track. https%3A//soundcloud.com/jessecoutu/peter-knight-fool-me-once-jesse-coutu-low-levelHey jcoutu1Thanks for doing the mix and posting... a couch mix 8) My first impression was, this guy knows how to mix, and knowing the amount of live mixing you do, I don't know if I could hear that in the mix or I just injected that,cause I knew who mixed it, I think the former. Its a really really really good mix. I would love to have you mix me playing live. You got it down, in that I can hear everything I need to , when I need to, and there is a really strong credible mixing philosophy behind what you do. It really impressed me. I thought the strong points were the levels. Just right. The drums sounded really good, actually everything sounded cool, i liked the vocal tone. I found the centre panning ish of the backing vocals interesting and different to most. Notes There is some sort of volume ducking on the vibrato les paul in the first strum that sounds weird, automation glitch? The noises at the end would have to go. The tom errors are in there 8) I am also surprised, so far I think only one person other than myself has corrected the couple of vocal notes that are sour.. (which evil Wiz did on purpose... 8)... its not all peace love and mungbeans you know... ) 8) thanks again.. really good solid mix job. cheers Wiz Thanks brother for the kind words. I skipped editing and tuning and stuck with the fun stuff. What's the deal with the tom hit in the acoustic track though? How does that even happen?  |
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 20, 2015 12:59:20 GMT -6
Since the panning isn't really a "rule" per se, I've made some tweaks. Here's a bit different version. Little more movement with the guitars. Not really sure if it's better or worse though. Only had about 25 minutes on my lunch.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/jessecoutu/peter-knight-fool-me-once-jesse-coutu-non-lcr-mix
...PS, I'm a dick and didn't make this a low volume version. I added a fade to the end with master fader automation, then didn't have time to screw with it and make it quiet. Sorry it's hot.
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Post by wiz on May 30, 2015 17:06:20 GMT -6
Here's a mix. The recording was made with two Audio Technica AT4080 ribbon mics all in one pass. The mics were positioned in Blumlein. (crossed figure of eights) Listening over Sony MDR 7506 headphones, I positioned everyone until I liked what I heard. Then I hit the red button. Two tracks. Done. I added some reverb, EQ and gain reduction for this master. soundcloud.com/tyford/living-willRegards, Ty Ford PS: if you listen closely, you can hear some of the knee and foot pedal noises from the Pedal Steel guitar at the very beginning of the song. Hi tyfordyou might want to have a look at the first post.... 8) there are actually files there to download, to have a mix with, rather than post mixes of other songs... which you should do though, just perhaps in its own thread.. cheers Wiz Ps your name rings a bell, don't know where from though. 8) |
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Post by tyford on May 30, 2015 19:24:57 GMT -6
Right you are! My apology! Stupid me. I found myself in the middle of the thread and did not realize the context.
Dunno, in what part of the world are you?
Ty
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Post by wiz on May 30, 2015 20:43:05 GMT -6
Right you are! My apology! Stupid me. I found myself in the middle of the thread and did not realize the context. Dunno, in what part of the world are you? Ty I am in Australia, but I thinks it's from online somewhere 8) cheers Wiz |
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Post by tyford on May 30, 2015 21:25:34 GMT -6
That's entirely possible, Peter. Could be audio, video, or singer-songwriter. I don't know a lot of folks from Australia. I do know some of the folks at Rode and I think I have some members from Australia on my "Audio Bootcamp Field Guide" Facebook page. www.facebook.com/groups/audiobootcampI don't have a cartoon character named after me, yet. Regards, Ty |
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Post by Jason on Jun 2, 2015 21:12:39 GMT -6
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