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Post by ragan on Jun 23, 2016 22:41:35 GMT -6
B. Nicht close. My take: unless you enjoy the buying/selling/obsessing thing, pick any one of these mics and make your music. They all sound good on you. Heh. Indeed. I do kinda love the hunt and experimenting...to a point. I just have a little gear cash and have been contemplating buying another mic or spending it on other things in the studio. Good nudge though. That's, overall, the real truth. They're good mics, plenty good enough, any of them.
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Post by popmann on Jun 23, 2016 22:42:19 GMT -6
And I think we're seeing why no one actually clones the U67 for this new market. A is closer to what I'd expect from a 67. B sounded more like a modern LDC. I say that having never used the actual TLM67 in question to tell how close it is...but, A is closer to what I would expect if I hung a 67 for a close vocal...
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Post by mhbunch on Jun 23, 2016 23:04:23 GMT -6
Can we get a reveal? I would be shocked/stoked if B was the 3U.
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Post by ragan on Jun 23, 2016 23:17:04 GMT -6
Can we get a reveal? I would be shocked/stoked if B was the 3U. Sure, I didn't plan on making a big thing about it. Just curious what people thought. Thanks all for the input. A is the TLM67, B is the GZ67Fet
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Post by mhbunch on Jun 24, 2016 0:33:02 GMT -6
Can we get a reveal? I would be shocked/stoked if B was the 3U. Sure, I didn't plan on making a big thing about it. Just curious what people thought. Thanks all for the input. A is the TLM67, B is the GZ67Fet Wow cool! Have never tried the tlm67, although have tried the tlm102 and imo it also lacked body but was also much more harsh in the 3-5k range. However, my warbler MKIV holds its own against my peluso p12 so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised , but damn. What a value.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 24, 2016 7:54:17 GMT -6
Good to know, great posts Ragan! In all honesty, I didn't love the sounds of either of this mics, but the GZ beating the TLM67 is an amazing accomplishment.
oops.. I had only listened on headphones for a few seconds yesterday, so I just went back and listened with my monitors. The GZ sounds a little flatter and more compressed. So, if I had listened on my monitors, I'd have picked A. The important thing is the GZ is certainly equal, just a little different, and still very cool.
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Post by ragan on Jun 24, 2016 9:01:13 GMT -6
Good to know, great posts Ragan! In all honesty, I didn't love the sounds of either of this mics, but the GZ beating the TLM67 is an amazing accomplishment. oops.. I had only listened on headphones for a few seconds yesterday, so I just went back and listened with my monitors. The GZ sounds a little flatter and more compressed. So, if I had listened on my monitors, I'd have picked A. The important thing is the GZ is certainly equal, just a little different, and still very cool. Sure......after the reveal you like the Neumman better.....
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 24, 2016 11:03:10 GMT -6
nah, I realize it looks that way.. I'm pretty good with consistency, just listened on monitors. My Sony headphones are nasty bright. I certainly wouldn't put out all that cash for the TLM knowing the GZ is that good though.
I know there have been few mods turning the TLM into a real 67. I wonder how they sound afterwards, and if it's really like a new U67. I've only known of the U67 through classic recordings that used one. I never had one in front of me. I've used a U87 every day for a decade, so that, I'm familiar with.
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Post by ragan on Jun 24, 2016 11:11:27 GMT -6
nah, I realize it looks that way.. I'm pretty good with consistency, just listened on monitors. My Sony headphones are nasty bright. I certainly wouldn't put out all that cash for the TLM knowing the GZ is that good though. I know there have been few mods turning the TLM into a real 67. I wonder how they sound afterwards, and if it's really like a new U67. I've only known of the U67 through classic recordings that used one. I never had one in front of me. I've used a U87 every day for a decade, so that, I'm familiar with. Just bustin your balls.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 24, 2016 11:21:08 GMT -6
I knew..
This is a great post Ragan. It's easy to get a good idea of what's going on from the files you posted.
I've been negligent with putting files together lately, so I opened a file that has vocal tracks to post with both my Dizengoff D4 and the Great River preamp, and the frickin' Great River rack is missing! I'm sure it's somewhere, but damn, I don't have time to mess around with that kind of weird shit right now, so it'll have to wait.
I've got two mics in a box on loan right now, the Soyuz 0-19 FET and the new Avantone CV-95. The CV-95 is based on the Soundelux 95 I believe, but with a tube. It's really the nicest I've heard in it's price range. It's beautifully made, and I'd think, competition for the GZ, as it's only $600.
The FET Soyuz was exciting, I was hoping it could deliver a knockout punch to a U87, but alas, it's not quite as magical as the Soyuz-017 or the u87 if memory serves.
I have to try them both again to double check. My Blackspade UM-18R must be breaking in now, it's sounding really really good lately. It sure liked the Great River preamp.
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Post by ragan on Jun 25, 2016 18:27:09 GMT -6
Thanks Don, this is a fantastically done comparison. One of the few shootouts I've listened to where I didn't feel the need to level-match. U87 wins all for me, with more detail (a little bump in the mids and upper-mids?), but I'm feeling pretty good about my MKID - at 1/6 of the price. It's got the vibe. I'm surprised you didn't try the V2 or even V1 setting on the OH recording. That may have come even closer. ..or perhaps you think those settings might have been too thin? Forgot to respond to this. The OH samples are V2. It was a closer match. Also, just for the record, V2 or V3 don't make anything "thinner", they just roll off the top.
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Post by kilroyrock on Jun 29, 2016 9:13:48 GMT -6
Ragan, The acoustic under your vocal was just one mic on the guitar or two?
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Post by ragan on Jun 29, 2016 10:21:51 GMT -6
Ragan, The acoustic under your vocal was just one mic on the guitar or two? Just one but two takes, panned hard. Whenever I do a vocal comparison I always do a couple guitar takes and pan them because I like there to be a stereo image for the vocal to sit between. Helps me evaluate the mic better.
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Post by kilroyrock on Jun 30, 2016 5:48:01 GMT -6
Yeah, those guitars sounded great. Vocal too, but I am currently striving for a better acoustic recording technique, and that sounded great.
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Post by ragan on Jun 30, 2016 9:23:20 GMT -6
Yeah, those guitars sounded great. Vocal too, but I am currently striving for a better acoustic recording technique, and that sounded great. Thanks. That (the most recent clip) was just the TLM67 about 24" off the neck/body joint with a very slight downward angle.
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Post by ragan on Jul 6, 2016 21:17:45 GMT -6
For anyone interested, one of the guys on GS requested a finger-picked comparison of the TLM67 and GZ67. Here it is.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/gz67-finger-picked-ac
https%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/tlm67-finger-picked-ac
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Post by indiehouse on Jul 29, 2016 11:36:24 GMT -6
Hey ragan curious to know what you think of the GZ67/MKID vs the ADK Z-mod 67? I think you got the ADK stuff in to demo, right?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 29, 2016 12:11:01 GMT -6
I preferred the TLM. It had a kind of Jimmy Page vibe, sounded more full of life and energy. I really was feeling it like it was from a record.
You can't fault the GZ, but I didn't get the same vibe as the TLM, and something tells me the TLM would sit in a mix better.
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Post by ragan on Jul 29, 2016 12:38:49 GMT -6
Hey ragan curious to know what you think of the GZ67/MKID vs the ADK Z-mod 67? I think you got the ADK stuff in to demo, right? This is gonna sound ridiculous but I didn't put them side by side. I totally should have. From my impression though, the Z Mod 67 is a little more pristine, hifi sounding. A little more air and articulation where the GZ67Fet has a tad more muscle. Granted that's totally from independent use and memory. It's a thing a notice with tube vs FET in general. Tube LDC's to me seem a little softer and squishier where the FET's are a little more solid sounding, kind of more assertive, if that makes any sense. And I don't mean "soft and squishy" in a bad way. Sometimes that enveloping, forgiving sound is precisely what you need.
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Post by indiehouse on Jul 29, 2016 12:47:17 GMT -6
So you didn't end up keeping the ADK?
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Post by popmann on Jul 29, 2016 13:07:16 GMT -6
I want a pair of TLM67s now. And a pair of Warm Pultecs to tune them.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 29, 2016 14:12:26 GMT -6
great comparisons, ragan - don't know how I missed this. When I tried the TLM67, I thought it was flat, dull and lifeless. I've only listened on the laptop, but that TLM67 didn't sound like the one I had.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 29, 2016 14:44:14 GMT -6
The TLM track made me feel like I was listening to a live broadcast from a radio station.
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Post by ragan on Jul 29, 2016 16:02:34 GMT -6
So you didn't end up keeping the ADK? I didn't. Not because I didn't like any of them, I though they were excellent. I was just looking for a specific match for my voice and decided a tube LDC wasn't it. The Z Mod stuff is really nice though, and Larry and Kevin are great to deal with.
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Post by ragan on Jul 29, 2016 16:03:38 GMT -6
I like the TLM67 a little better on acoustic too. It's a nice mic for sure. It is very flat, but not in a bad way. It's just kind of Even Steven. Gets good sound and then you can do what you want with it.
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