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Post by ragan on Jun 19, 2016 20:43:15 GMT -6
Great posts Ragan, thanks. Clearly, the GZ67 is a great value, maybe the best I've heard in its price range. If someone picked it over the 87, I wouldn't argue. For me though, I feel that the 87 still has a way of getting the feeling of the vocalist through better. There's a veil in front of the emotional content on the GZ when compared to the 87. The thing is, I think you can EQ the 87 to sound how you prefer, but I don't think you can EQ the subtle haziness out of the GZ. I hear what you mean. The U87 has that classic hi mid push (but in a nice way) that makes every word cut. The GZ67, for what it's worth, is voiced after the m269c (a U67 variant) so it's a smoother, less mid-aggresive sound family. But yeah, the U87 is great. It's no accident it's so widely used.
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Post by ragan on Jun 19, 2016 21:13:40 GMT -6
Here's acoustic guitar GZ67 and U87.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/gz67-ac-gtr-vs-u87
https%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/u87-ac-gtr-vs-gz67
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Post by donr on Jun 19, 2016 21:45:32 GMT -6
Ragan, enjoying your performance. Agree with Martin, the Neumann has slightly more clarity with a very similar voicing. Both appealing as recording tho.
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Post by ragan on Jun 19, 2016 21:46:45 GMT -6
Here's the Warbler MKID and U87 on mono OH.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/warbler-mkid-vs-u87-oh
https%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/u87-vs-warbler-mkid-oh
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Post by ragan on Jun 19, 2016 21:48:02 GMT -6
And here's the GZ67Fet and U87 on mono OH.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/gz67-vs-u87-oh
https%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/u87-vs-gz67-oh
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Post by ragan on Jun 19, 2016 21:57:53 GMT -6
Ragan, enjoying your performance. Agree with Martin, the Neumann has slightly more clarity with a very similar voicing. Both appealing as recording tho. Thanks Don. I've got no shortage of love for the U87. A true classic.
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Post by M57 on Jun 20, 2016 4:26:43 GMT -6
Thanks Don, this is a fantastically done comparison. One of the few shootouts I've listened to where I didn't feel the need to level-match. U87 wins all for me, with more detail (a little bump in the mids and upper-mids?), but I'm feeling pretty good about my MKID - at 1/6 of the price. It's got the vibe. I'm surprised you didn't try the V2 or even V1 setting on the OH recording. That may have come even closer. ..or perhaps you think those settings might have been too thin?
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Post by mhbunch on Jun 20, 2016 9:21:45 GMT -6
Thanks Don, this is a fantastically done comparison. One of the few shootouts I've listened to where I didn't feel the need to level-match. U87 wins all for me, with more detail (a little bump in the mids and upper-mids?), but I'm feeling pretty good about my MKID - at 1/6 of the price. It's got the vibe. I'm surprised you didn't try the V2 or even V1 setting on the OH recording. That may have come even closer. ..or perhaps you think those settings might have been too thin? Compared to a vintage u87 I'd say its closer to 1/10th the price! Great shoot out ragan, the 3u mics really hold up. I definitely preferred the U87 as well, but I think that it's important to realize that we are comparing fet mics to a tube mic. I would be interested in hearing 3u's tube offering compared to the U87. I love my MKIV, but it does lack the air and definition that my CM6 has. Not a bad thing, just 2 different flavors.
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Post by ragan on Jun 20, 2016 10:05:17 GMT -6
Thanks Don, this is a fantastically done comparison. One of the few shootouts I've listened to where I didn't feel the need to level-match. U87 wins all for me, with more detail (a little bump in the mids and upper-mids?), but I'm feeling pretty good about my MKID - at 1/6 of the price. It's got the vibe. I'm surprised you didn't try the V2 or even V1 setting on the OH recording. That may have come even closer. ..or perhaps you think those settings might have been too thin? Compared to a vintage u87 I'd say its closer to 1/10th the price! Great shoot out ragan, the 3u mics really hold up. I definitely preferred the U87 as well, but I think that it's important to realize that we are comparing fet mics to a tube mic. I would be interested in hearing 3u's tube offering compared to the U87. I love my MKIV, but it does lack the air and definition that my CM6 has. Not a bad thing, just 2 different flavors. U87's are FET mics, not tube FYI.
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Post by mhbunch on Jun 20, 2016 10:52:22 GMT -6
My bad! Was thinking u67
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 20, 2016 11:02:55 GMT -6
Nice voice man. Wish I had pipes.
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Post by ragan on Jun 20, 2016 13:29:17 GMT -6
Nice voice man. Wish I had pipes. Thanks Jesse. It's kinda weird and hard to wrangle but it does the job I need it to.
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 20, 2016 13:59:37 GMT -6
Hey ragan, how do you like the MKID's on OH's? What's your usual go-to for drum OH's/Rooms?
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Post by ragan on Jun 20, 2016 14:02:49 GMT -6
Hey ragan, how do you like the MKID's on OH's? What's your usual go-to for drum OH's/Rooms? I like them in either configuration but my usual thing is to use the GZ67's for OH and the MKID's for rooms.
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Post by ragan on Jun 23, 2016 1:37:06 GMT -6
So another mic I've been curious about is the Neumann TLM67. I've always struggled to record my voice so I buy and sell a lot of mics chasing the pot of gold.
Here's the GZ67Fet vs the TLM67. Doing this one blind. See what you think.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/vox-mic-a
https%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/vox-mic-b
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Post by M57 on Jun 23, 2016 4:09:39 GMT -6
B
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Post by ragan on Jun 23, 2016 11:15:43 GMT -6
Thanks for listening. What do you prefer about it?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 23, 2016 11:19:35 GMT -6
I'm not Mark, but I prefer B as well. The top on A sounds brittle and the bottom on B sounds richer.
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Post by M57 on Jun 23, 2016 11:53:02 GMT -6
Sorry I didn't explain why - and actually I did a little more listening, and it's not as clear-cut as I first thought. Yeah, B is fuller and has a nice little bump in the lower mids, and I may be imagining this, but A is maybe just a tad more open (less pinched) in the upper-mids. (4-6k?) I think B still wins out over all, but they are very similar on the top end. High passed from ~700hz on up, I wonder that I could pass an ABXer test.
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Post by ragan on Jun 23, 2016 11:57:57 GMT -6
Interesting. Thanks for your takes, fellas.
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Post by mhbunch on Jun 23, 2016 12:58:31 GMT -6
Agreed, B is sounding much fuller to my ears. Also maybe a tad louder than A?
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Post by ragan on Jun 23, 2016 13:23:32 GMT -6
Agreed, B is sounding much fuller to my ears. Also maybe a tad louder than A? They're RMS matched to .1 dB. Not all phrases are the exact same because of the way the two mics respond but I pick a couple phrases and make sure they're the exact same RMS and then call it good.
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Post by M57 on Jun 23, 2016 14:28:24 GMT -6
Agreed, B is sounding much fuller to my ears. Also maybe a tad louder than A? I was thinking the same thing - that's why I called it a bump in the lower-mids. Is level-matching even possible when you're spitting hairs like this? Bump a half a db here, and then scoop out a third of a db there and the meter may say it's the same loudness, but does the ear hear it that way? E.g. is 0.5 db at 1000 the same loudness as 0.5 at 5k? What kind of Q do you need to make it so mathematically vs psycho-acoustically?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 23, 2016 15:29:18 GMT -6
It's not loudness, B is fuller. I could only listen for 10 seconds, and will come back to listen again. B handled the harder hit passages better, less compressed.
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Post by jakeharris on Jun 23, 2016 21:54:14 GMT -6
B. Nicht close.
My take: unless you enjoy the buying/selling/obsessing thing, pick any one of these mics and make your music. They all sound good on you.
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