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Post by ragan on Dec 9, 2015 0:09:10 GMT -6
And here's the GZ67Fet and Warbler I on acoustic guitar. https%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/warbler-i-vs-gz67-acoustichttps%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/gz67-vs-warbler-i-acousticIs the Warbler I the mic that's simply called The Warbler on his site and on ebay? If so, what setting are you using here on acoustic? In this case I think I prefer it to the gz67. Yeah. The one I have here (which we've been calling the "Warbler I" is just called the "Warbler" on his site. It's the cardioid only version that came out originally. All the GZ67Fet/Warbler comparisons I did here have the Warbler on voice position 1. It was about 22" away from the neck/body joint of my guitar.
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Post by stribor1 on Dec 10, 2015 5:12:27 GMT -6
I like the Warbler I better on Ragan's GTR/Voiceclips, but I listened just through some cheapo headphones so far. The Gz67 sounds fatter, warbler I is brighter and I can hear more details. OH application is a different story preferred the GZ67, but difference was not so obvious like for teh GTR/Voice clips.
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Post by stribor1 on Dec 10, 2015 7:31:56 GMT -6
Here's something. I remember when I first tried the Teal CM-1 on acoustic guitar I thought (and posted) that it reminded me of a good SDC (in that application). The Neumann KM84 is kinda king for me, as far as acoustic guitar mics, so I decided to compare them. They don't really sound the same, obviously, as they're totally different types of mics. But there's a similar quality to them, at least on acoustic guitar. Anyway this is me EQing the CM-1 to get it as close as I could to the KM84. As far as the tracking, I put both mics up, did two takes and panned them hard. So on the KM84 clip, both sides are the KM84 and on the CM-1 clip, both sides are the CM-1. https%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/km84-acousticshttps%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/cm-1-acousticsVery similar indeed. The KM84 sounds better, more detailed, but the CM1 seems to be very usable considering it's costs 10 times less than the KM84.
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Post by kidvybes on Dec 13, 2015 18:19:02 GMT -6
...so here I recorded a VO comparison of the 3U Audio GZ47fet V, a custom-built Dany Bouchard D-M49b tube mic clone ($2K+) and the new Warbler MKIID...I decided to go sans (no) pop-filter to really capture the detail of these mics since they are somewhat similar, so you may hear the occasional burst of air... D-M49b (with Dany Bouchard's own m7-style D7 capsule) vs. 3U Audio GZ47fet V vs. Warbler MKIID: app.box.com/s/eyy0oklctq8bs3nwc75vtbkes55p06ce
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 22, 2015 15:55:18 GMT -6
Hmmmm...a pair of Warbler MKID's or a GZ67FET? What do ya think?
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Post by ragan on Dec 22, 2015 16:23:49 GMT -6
Hmmmm...a pair of Warbler MKID's or a GZ67FET? What do ya think? I'm gunning for both. My buddy and I bought a matched pair of GZ67Fet's so we can borrow from each other for pair duties and I think I'm going to grab a pair of MKID's for myself. For my uses, the GZ67Fet's will be on OH and the MKID's will be on room. And lots of other stuff of course.
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Post by kidvybes on Dec 22, 2015 22:03:14 GMT -6
...OK, so I put together another VO comparison of the Warbler MKIII (in voice position 1) vs the new Warbler MKVID (all 3 voice positions in cardioid) vs the Warbler I (voice position 1) to try and give some perspective to how the new MKVID falls in terms of it's brightest setting, in comparison the C12-inspired MKIII, and it's darkest setting in comparison to 70's U87-inspired MKI... ...please keep in mind that I do have a whistle in my voice due to a gap between my two upper front teeth (ala Dave Letterman) so any "esses" you hear may be more pronounced due to that characteristic... Warbler MKIII (VP 1) vs Warbler MKVID (VP 1-3 in cardioid) vs Warbler I (VP 1): app.box.com/s/cb6j2ujebhnwvxkwkdy6lzgf9z327da9
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 25, 2015 5:01:39 GMT -6
Is there a consolidated table that names the mike and its characteristics ? For those of us who don't have the mikes, its a little complicated reading through the thread plus all the comparisons or maybe I need more, much more and stronger coffee ?
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Post by M57 on Dec 25, 2015 5:44:15 GMT -6
Is there a consolidated table that names the mike and its characteristics ? For those of us who don't have the mikes, its a little complicated reading through the thread plus all the comparisons or maybe I need more, much more and stronger coffee ? Can't help you with the coffee, but here is the site.. www.3uaudio.com/chanpin.asp?dh=1
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 25, 2015 7:35:49 GMT -6
thx Bro, I manned up on the coffee
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Post by Ward on Dec 25, 2015 7:45:53 GMT -6
Hmmmm...a pair of Warbler MKID's or a GZ67FET? What do ya think? The GZ67 has a fair bit of the U47 'mask' to it, don't you think? Like, even more than a U47 has? There's very little "Oh my! Audio goodness and ear candy!" to it.
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 25, 2015 9:44:10 GMT -6
Hmmmm...a pair of Warbler MKID's or a GZ67FET? What do ya think? The GZ67 has a fair bit of the U47 'mask' to it, don't you think? Like, even more than a U47 has? There's very little "Oh my! Audio goodness and ear candy!" to it. That's a good thing or no? What's you're preference so far? I've got decision paralysis at the moment. So many choices, upgrades, etc. What I'm looking for is a nice vocal mic that won't break the bank and that will compliment my incoming 251. Maybe double that or a different pair for overhead/room duties. Initially was looking at the Warbler I for $270, which seems like a no brainer. But, then there's the MKID, which seems to be sonically a bit better, especially in terms of polar pattern options. Then there's the GZ series, which might be just slightly better? Those come in at $599, but double that for a stereo pair, then you're a long way from $270. Alll of a sudden the decision becomes a lot more serious, as I'd be looking at spending over a grand. I'm willing and ready to pull the trigger on something, just not sure what yet. What do you think, 67 vs 47? D series vs GZ series? Primarily for vocals, and secondary as overhead/room/drum duties.
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Post by ragan on Dec 25, 2015 9:52:47 GMT -6
Hmmmm...a pair of Warbler MKID's or a GZ67FET? What do ya think? The GZ67 has a fair bit of the U47 'mask' to it, don't you think? Like, even more than a U47 has? There's very little "Oh my! Audio goodness and ear candy!" to it. I don't know what you mean. Care to elaborate?
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Post by kidvybes on Dec 25, 2015 12:48:37 GMT -6
Is there a consolidated table that names the mike and its characteristics ? For those of us who don't have the mikes, its a little complicated reading through the thread plus all the comparisons or maybe I need more, much more and stronger coffee ? OK, these would be the current FET LDC offerings... CM-series - cardioid-only with dual high-pass and dual pad settings ($125):Teal CM-1 - edge-terminated capsule (251) - transformer-less FET output Black CM-1 - center-terminated capsule (87) - transformer-less FET output Warbler-series - cardioid only featuring 3U Audio's 3-voice settings option ($270):Warbler I - center-terminated K67 capsule (70's 87) - FET w/9.5:1 transformer-coupled output Warbler MK II - center-terminated K47 capsule (47FET) - FET w/6.5:1 transformer-coupled output Warbler MK III - edge-terminated capsule (C12) - FET w/12:1 transformer-coupled output Warbler MK IV - edge-terminated capsule (251) - FET w/12:1 transformer-coupled output Warbler MK V - edge-terminated capsule (*dark, ribbon-like) - FET w/12:1 transformer-coupled output Warbler MK VI - center-terminated K67 capsule (C800g-87Ai) - FET w/9.5:1 transformer-coupled output Warbler "D"-series - multi-pattern featuring 3U Audio's 3-voice settings option ($349):*Same models as above but with dual-diapragm capsules (MKID, MKIID, MKIIID, MKIVD, MKVD, MKVID) GZ-series - Premium multi-pattern, single-voice FET builds featuring American-made AMI transformers ($599):GZ67fet - center-terminated K67 capsule (67/87) - FET w/AMI T13 transformer-coupled output GZ47fet - center-terminated K47 capsule (47) - FET w/AMI T8 transformer-coupled output GZ47fet V -center-terminated K47 capsule (M49) - FET w/AMI T8 transformer-coupled output GZ251fet - edge-terminated capsule (251) - FET w/AMI T8 transformer-coupled output GZ12fet - edge-terminated capsule (C12) - FET w AMI T8 transformer-coupled output Hope that helps...
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Post by kidvybes on Dec 25, 2015 13:00:49 GMT -6
That's a good thing or no? What's you're preference so far? I've got decision paralysis at the moment. So many choices, upgrades, etc. What I'm looking for is a nice vocal mic that won't break the bank and that will compliment my incoming 251. Maybe double that or a different pair for overhead/room duties. Initially was looking at the Warbler I for $270, which seems like a no brainer. But, then there's the MKID, which seems to be sonically a bit better, especially in terms of polar pattern options. Then there's the GZ series, which might be just slightly better? Those come in at $599, but double that for a stereo pair, then you're a long way from $270. Alll of a sudden the decision becomes a lot more serious, as I'd be looking at spending over a grand. I'm willing and ready to pull the trigger on something, just not sure what yet. What do you think, 67 vs 47? D series vs GZ series? Primarily for vocals, and secondary as overhead/room/drum duties. ...first, the only difference between the basic Warbler and the Warbler "D-series" is the multi-pattern option...build quality and voicings are otherwise the same... ...the Warblers and "D" series are certainly exceptional quality IMHO at such affordable prices ($270-349)...in most cases they will more than suffice to accomplish both quality vocal and overhead/utility duty...the GZ-series do bring a refinement factor that is clearly audible, but at a price...I'd suggest starting with a Warbler (or pair) and then if you're pleased, possibly consider the GZ-series option that might best suit your vocal needs down the road...
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 25, 2015 13:27:42 GMT -6
Thx Kidvybes: much appreciated.
Is the 49 style voicing not released yet ?
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Post by kidvybes on Dec 25, 2015 13:51:04 GMT -6
Thx Kidvybes: much appreciated. Is the 49 style voicing not released yet ? ...the GZ47fet V features M49-inspired voicing...from the Warbler-series, the closest IMHO, is the Warbler MKV...not specifically M49, but a very smooth, darkish voicing with no hyped frequencies...great for voices or instruments that may display strident dynamic characteristics (female vocals, violin, brass, etc)... Attachments:
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 25, 2015 14:00:51 GMT -6
I have built and use the studio 939 C12 ( with the Cinemag tranni) with Campbell cap and GE 50's NOS and Max's mk-u47 with Thiersch Blue with Eriksonn NOS.
Curious about a FET mike ( don't think darker); the upgrade between the Warbler D and the GZ is/are ?
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Post by kidvybes on Dec 25, 2015 15:00:04 GMT -6
Curious about a FET mike ( don't think darker); the upgrade between the Warbler D and the GZ is/are ? ...the GZ-series mics employ AMI transformers (the Warblers employ 3U's own proprietary trannies) and besides the WIMA, Dale and Fairchild components shared by all of the mics, the GZ-series employ some specific higher-grade components in their circuit topology...best to reach out directly to Guosheng for the particulars on any of the specific GZ models you might be interested in, via: 3uaudio@gmail.com ...performance wise, IMHO, I would equate the GZ-series FET builds to being on par with the ADK T-FET series microphones...but the real "recipe" is in the individual capsule voicings...while mics in the line may employ the same capsule metalwork structure (K67, K47, edge-terminate), the specific tuning/voicing of those capsules are unique to the specific model...Guosheng's greatest asset from my experience using his mics, is his ability to fine-tune his capsule voicings so accurately... BTW, custom capsules designed and manufactured by Guosheng are employed in some high-end "boutique" branded microphones (that is the cornerstone of his business)...the 3U Audio Pty line started out more as a "labor of love" project for him, as a sideline to his consulting/designing business...
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 25, 2015 15:04:11 GMT -6
Thank you : all understood: in effect the GZ line is upgraded parts and fine tuned caps
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Post by Ward on Dec 25, 2015 19:29:08 GMT -6
The GZ67 has a fair bit of the U47 'mask' to it, don't you think? Like, even more than a U47 has? There's very little "Oh my! Audio goodness and ear candy!" to it. I don't know what you mean. Care to elaborate? Sure. Have you ever heard that 'cacky' sound in a U47, U48, SM58 or SM7? It's like the midrange is highly pronounced and almost has a papery type of resonance to it. It's not a cloud over the entire sound but this effect is known as 'The Mask'. It sounds like your ears are closing up. To the polar opposite of this, the Neumann-Gefell UM57, M582, KM54, KM64, KM84 all sound like your ears are 'popping' when you listen to them... as in opening up. The tone is so much more clear. Now, as for suggesting a cheap microphone with this tonal effect? Hmmmm.... Warbler comes to mind.
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Post by kidvybes on Dec 25, 2015 20:11:17 GMT -6
I don't know what you mean. Care to elaborate? Sure. Have you ever heard that 'cacky' sound in a U47, U48, SM58 or SM7? It's like the midrange is highly pronounced and almost has a papery type of resonance to it. It's not a cloud over the entire sound but this effect is known as 'The Mask'. It sounds like your ears are closing up. Now, as for suggesting a cheap microphone with this tonal effect? Hmmmm.... Warbler comes to mind. ...could you be so kind as to reference the specific sound-file in which you heard this effect?...I have a number of these mics and have not experienced what you're describing..."Warbler" is a family of 12 different mic variants, not one single mic... ...I have heard of the U47 as having this "electric" sounding mid vibe...
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 25, 2015 20:59:34 GMT -6
A U47 has an electric midrange, puts it forward and larger than life in a mix, it's circuit also handles dynamics very well, in a pre eq'd and compressed sort of way, that's the character I hear in all the ones I've heard. In fact, that pre compressed character is emblematic of all the great condensers I've heard.
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Post by ragan on Dec 25, 2015 21:36:24 GMT -6
I don't know what you mean. Care to elaborate? Sure. Have you ever heard that 'cacky' sound in a U47, U48, SM58 or SM7? It's like the midrange is highly pronounced and almost has a papery type of resonance to it. It's not a cloud over the entire sound but this effect is known as 'The Mask'. It sounds like your ears are closing up. To the polar opposite of this, the Neumann-Gefell UM57, M582, KM54, KM64, KM84 all sound like your ears are 'popping' when you listen to them... as in opening up. The tone is so much more clear. Now, as for suggesting a cheap microphone with this tonal effect? Hmmmm.... Warbler comes to mind. I'm not totally sure I know what you're talking about but it might just be a terminology thing. There's a self-compressed kind of thing in a U47 that kind of massages (masks???) the midrange (even though the mids are prominent, response wise). Maybe that's what you're talking about. If we're talking about the same thing, it's something I enjoy, especially vocally.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 25, 2015 21:41:17 GMT -6
I'm glad to hear people speak of a natural compression in U47's. I haven't done much tracking with my newly designed Blackspade UM-17B yet, but I've been noticed something like compression that wasn't happening in the previous edition. I'm glad that's a good thing, because I'm hearing some of that ;-)
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