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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 19, 2015 11:44:23 GMT -6
The FET 47 was as just big a disappointment in 1972 as the 184 was when it came out. (That's why people tried it on the kick drum and left it there.) A 184 is still better than a great many. The main thing is that you want to only use it with a preamp having an input transformer. Meh, I like the 184 with the Millennia transformerless preamps. Stunning clarity.
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Post by rowmat on Nov 19, 2015 11:55:45 GMT -6
You can usually get a pair of 184's used for about $1k. Good mics even though most people slag on them. Around $1k for a pair of 184's seems about right. I picked up a pair for $1,350 AUD. Although the KM184's are only marginally brighter than the KM84's I think the 84's have a more pleasing transient response and also are known for their great off axis response It maybe the transformer in the 84 softens the transients ever so slightly yet without compromising the detail. I don't find the 84's are inferior to the 184's in detail. In comparison I find the 184's a harder sounding mic. Yet the Oktava MK-012's are transformerless and seem to fall somewhere in between the KM184's and KM84's which makes me wonder if the KM184 had a dead flat response like a 84 would it sound as good? Josephson C42's are brighter than the KM184's but somehow manage to remain pretty sweet.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Nov 19, 2015 12:02:24 GMT -6
I think the off-axis response is the same. Using a transformer-less preamp requires lucking out on there not being an RFI problem that puts the high end over the top.
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Post by rowmat on Nov 19, 2015 12:24:38 GMT -6
The 184 and 84 are supposed to have the same capsule elements though of course the capsule heads themselves are not interchangeable.
However the 84 is fitted with what Klaus Heyne referred as...
"... an acoustic dome that works in conjunction with the KK84 head to give it its frequency response and pattern characteristics"
This dome is visible in the 84 when the capsule head is removed.
Unless I'm mistaken I haven't noticed anything similar fitted to the 184 although 'said dome' maybe be located inside the 184's capsule head rather than the body as in the 84.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Nov 19, 2015 12:34:38 GMT -6
We found a "kloused" 84 sounded just like a KM-140. Myself, I detest modified Neumanns.
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Post by wiz on Nov 19, 2015 15:27:17 GMT -6
I have to KM184s I use them as overheads.
I also (own the KM84, everyone knows that.. 8) )
the KM184 is not a KM84.
It is however an excellent microphone, that is really very very good, and good value.
I agree with Bob, I use them with a pair of preamps that have input transformers...
cheers
Wiz
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Post by wiz on Nov 19, 2015 15:28:45 GMT -6
You can usually get a pair of 184's used for about $1k. Good mics even though most people slag on them. Around $1k for a pair of 184's seems about right. I picked up a pair for $1,350 AUD. Although the KM184's are only marginally brighter than the KM84's I think the 84's have a more pleasing transient response and also are known for their great off axis response It maybe the transformer in the 84 softens the transients ever so slightly yet without compromising the detail. I don't find the 84's are inferior to the 184's in detail. In comparison I find the 184's a harder sounding mic. Yet the Oktava MK-012's are transformerless and seem to fall somewhere in between the KM184's and KM84's which makes me wonder if the KM184 had a dead flat response like a 84 would it sound as good? Josephson C42's are brighter than the KM184's but somehow manage to remain pretty sweet. cool another Aussie!! welcome where are you located? cheers Wiz (bundaberg)
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Post by Guitar on Nov 19, 2015 17:42:43 GMT -6
I paid around $500 for my KM184 but it was used not new. I have never tried an 84, hopefully someday. In my world the 184 is a pretty great mic. But it's also the most expensive SDC I have tried to date.
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Post by rowmat on Nov 19, 2015 18:13:51 GMT -6
Around $1k for a pair of 184's seems about right. I picked up a pair for $1,350 AUD. Although the KM184's are only marginally brighter than the KM84's I think the 84's have a more pleasing transient response and also are known for their great off axis response It maybe the transformer in the 84 softens the transients ever so slightly yet without compromising the detail. I don't find the 84's are inferior to the 184's in detail. In comparison I find the 184's a harder sounding mic. Yet the Oktava MK-012's are transformerless and seem to fall somewhere in between the KM184's and KM84's which makes me wonder if the KM184 had a dead flat response like a 84 would it sound as good? Josephson C42's are brighter than the KM184's but somehow manage to remain pretty sweet. cool another Aussie!! welcome where are you located? cheers Wiz (bundaberg) Hi Wiz, I'm in Melbourne. Funnily enough as I write this post on a music audio forum I'm sitting in a cafe two tables from AC/DC's original FOH engineer, John Bosua. Rowan
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Post by wiz on Nov 19, 2015 18:43:57 GMT -6
cool another Aussie!! welcome where are you located? cheers Wiz (bundaberg) Hi Wiz, I'm in Melbourne. Funnily enough as I write this post on a music audio forum I'm sitting in a cafe two tables from AC/DC's original FOH engineer, John Bosua. Rowan I am originally from Melbourne, moved up here 11 years ago.. we might know each other? 8) My real name is Peter Knight, I was living down at Aspendale/Rye/Safety Beach area from around 94 - 2004 and grew up in the North, at Reservoir/Brunswick/Coburg.. played in bands and duos etc down there.. cheers Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 19, 2015 19:28:08 GMT -6
Do you come from the land down under?
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Post by kidvybes on Nov 19, 2015 20:33:21 GMT -6
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Post by rowmat on Nov 19, 2015 21:43:14 GMT -6
Do you come from the land down under? "You better run, you better take cover" Another little tale. Around 1980 I went to a local pub on a Thursday night for a meal and to see a band that a friend had recommended. There was only about a dozen people in the bar. The band was a four piece from memory. The singer had a Scottish accent and a funny eye. Another of the members played flute. They did a couple of sets and we went home. About a year or so later I heard a song on the radio that was vaguely familiar but couldn't remember where I'd heard it before. My friend rang me and said... "You know that song "Down Under" that has just gone to number one in the US?" It had been getting played every hour on the radio. Of course I said "Yes" He said... "That band we saw last year in the pub with almost no people... that's the band! Men at Work!"
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 19, 2015 22:54:43 GMT -6
I love Colin Haye...This is a masterpiece
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Post by wiz on Nov 19, 2015 22:57:16 GMT -6
Do you come from the land down under? "You better run, you better take cover" Another little tale. Around 1980 I went to a local pub on a Thursday night for a meal and to see a band that a friend had recommended. There was only about a dozen people in the bar. The band was a four piece from memory. The singer had a Scottish accent and a funny eye. Another of the members played flute. They did a couple of sets and we went home. About a year or so later I heard a song on the radio that was vaguely familiar but couldn't remember where I'd heard it before. My friend rang me and said... "You know that song "Down Under" that has just gone to number one in the US?" It had been getting played every hour on the radio. Of course I said "Yes" He said... "That band we saw last year in the pub with almost no people... that's the band! Men at Work!" Cricketers Arms Hotel in Hoddle St Richmond? cheers Wiz
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Post by rowmat on Nov 19, 2015 23:22:31 GMT -6
"You better run, you better take cover" Another little tale. Around 1980 I went to a local pub on a Thursday night for a meal and to see a band that a friend had recommended. There was only about a dozen people in the bar. The band was a four piece from memory. The singer had a Scottish accent and a funny eye. Another of the members played flute. They did a couple of sets and we went home. About a year or so later I heard a song on the radio that was vaguely familiar but couldn't remember where I'd heard it before. My friend rang me and said... "You know that song "Down Under" that has just gone to number one in the US?" It had been getting played every hour on the radio. Of course I said "Yes" He said... "That band we saw last year in the pub with almost no people... that's the band! Men at Work!" Cricketers Arms Hotel in Hoddle St Richmond? cheers Wiz Nope. It was Daisy's Hotel in Ringwood. No stage. They played in the corner of the public bar through a vocal rig. It was pretty much an acoustic setup and from memory there wasn't any drums either.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 20, 2015 8:39:59 GMT -6
Cricketers Arms Hotel in Hoddle St Richmond? cheers Wiz Nope. It was Daisy's Hotel in Ringwood. No stage. They played in the corner of the public bar through a vocal rig. It was pretty much an acoustic setup and from memory there wasn't any drums either. That band was huge here in the USA! I musta been in 7th or 8th grade, "he just smiled and gave me a bite of my sandwich" or ? Loved those tunes!
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 20, 2015 8:46:59 GMT -6
I love Colin Haye...This is a masterpiece Fucking brilliant!
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 20, 2015 9:13:04 GMT -6
The FET 47 was as just big a disappointment in 1972 as the 184 was when it came out. (That's why people tried it on the kick drum and left it there.) A 184 is still better than a great many. The main thing is that you want to only use it with a preamp having an input transformer. Meh, I like the 184 with the Millennia transformerless preamps. Stunning clarity. "Stunning" as in, "setting phasers to stun capn"
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Post by ragan on Nov 20, 2015 10:13:39 GMT -6
Nope. It was Daisy's Hotel in Ringwood. No stage. They played in the corner of the public bar through a vocal rig. It was pretty much an acoustic setup and from memory there wasn't any drums either. That band was huge here in the USA! I musta been in 7th or 8th grade, "he just smiled and gave me a bite of my sandwich" or ? Loved those tunes! Isn't it "Vegemite" sandwich?
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 20, 2015 10:40:51 GMT -6
That band was huge here in the USA! I musta been in 7th or 8th grade, "he just smiled and gave me a bite of my sandwich" or ? Loved those tunes! Isn't it "Vegemite" sandwich? lmao, i think the best part about some tunes are the "fill in the blank" lyrics
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 20, 2015 12:13:43 GMT -6
I saw them do an interview on MTV way back when, and they were discussing Vegemite sandwiches, since almost no one in the US had ever tried one.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 20, 2015 13:03:38 GMT -6
Ok. That was my fault. Back to km84's...
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Post by ragan on Nov 20, 2015 13:09:03 GMT -6
I had to return the one I rented. Recorded a bunch of acoustics for my next record though.
Trying to decide between buying one now or just keep renting it in shots. It's only $25 a day or if you rent it for 4 days you get to keep it for a week.
That's not really how I like to work though, cramming a bunch of one type of tracking all together. I'd rather have one for the long haul and be able to use it whenever and wherever.
I think I just decided as I'm typing. Gotta buy one.
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Post by kidvybes on Nov 22, 2015 23:23:58 GMT -6
...while they are two entirely different sonic animals, check out Ragan's comparison of his $125 3U Audio Teal CM-1 (34mm edge-terminated capsule) LDC to the KM84 SDC here: realgearonline.com/post/78163/thread
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