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Post by t3 on Feb 10, 2015 20:39:51 GMT -6
Svart's is definitely the cleanest, but every time I hear samples from a B2, it's just MMMM.....YUM.....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 20:43:58 GMT -6
My experience clocking my apollo off the burl and or the bla microclock mk ii was that this improved the stock apollo ymmv but I think this could be part of what's going on hear. I feel people's comments about considering what would happen cumulatively when stacking are insightful too. Thx again guys, these show cases are a lot of work and special thx to svart for doing the heavy design build lifting: much appreciated ! Someone really needs to do some analysis stock and clocked on the Burl / Apollo, because I have never seen an interface improve due to an external clock. Statistically make it worse sure, I'm not saying people might not prefer the sound because just like the Burl anything goes  .. |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 10, 2015 20:46:01 GMT -6
I haven't seen the results but by request I'll take a stab at the dobro files. I think A is Svarts, B is Burl and C is Apollo. I've said it all along, I love tracking acoustic guitar through the Apollo. Those converters shine on it. That's why I think C is Apollo, and my favorite on the dobro.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 10, 2015 20:45:58 GMT -6
One last apollo comment, I agree with john's comment about the mid forward thing and again to my ears, cat5 may want to chime, that's what the bla mod reigns in , so the blapollo is more linear, but not astringent. again best appreciated in person !
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 10, 2015 20:47:39 GMT -6
Fourthly, why the hell does my Burl cost $2200? Stack about 50 tracks and that's why. Inches turn into miles. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 20:49:03 GMT -6
tonycamphd - I just have never seen anyone talk about its deficiencies. It strikes as funny, that's all. No biggie.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 10, 2015 20:51:15 GMT -6
Svart's is definitely the cleanest, but every time I hear samples from a B2, it's just MMMM.....YUM..... BTW - t3 was the only one to get it right... |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 10, 2015 20:54:35 GMT -6
Fun stuff. Listening again tonight, I still prefer the Apollo on the vocal tracks, but think the Svartbox sounds better on the acoustic. The Apollo seems to lack detail on the acoustic track while the Svart handles every nuance with poise. Johnkenn, what mic were you using on your vocal? Helios pre or something else? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 10, 2015 20:55:12 GMT -6
As for the Apollo getting the love here...It's the most rolled off...and I think that in people's mind's they think rolled off equals vintage. I just thought it sounded less 3 dimensional. But really, you could work with any of these.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 10, 2015 20:58:51 GMT -6
I used a modded Miktek C5 omni cap through a CAPI Heider without the HiZ in...And I learned a lesson. That mod is really muscular. Not a ton of top end...The HiZ being in seems to add some really nice top end - and I didn't have it enabled...Poo on me.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 10, 2015 20:59:51 GMT -6
I used a modded Miktek C5 omni cap through a CAPI Heider without the HiZ in...And I learned a lesson. That mod is really muscular. Not a ton of top end...The HiZ being in seems to add some really nice top end - and I didn't have it enabled...Poo on me. For your vocal? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 10, 2015 21:04:44 GMT -6
Oh - sorry...Vocal was Modded CV4-->Helios
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 10, 2015 21:08:33 GMT -6
Oh - sorry...Vocal was Modded CV4-->Helios Interesting. I wonder if it's the Helios that I'm hearing. On the word wrong, it sounds almost buzzy to me through Svartbox, where the other two converters smoothed that out. Could just be the difference in take too. Maybe it pushed just a touch too hard on that take. The acoustic felt like a different story to me. You could really hear the nuances of the converters on the acoustic tracks. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 21:10:21 GMT -6
Ha, heard the files this afternoon, thinking i like A best, but didn't give a vote because i know neither the Burl nor the Apollo. And really, they certainly are all very usable pro grade converters, so none of them sounds bad in any way.
Nice to hear this A is svart's box!
Knowing the DAC will be very, very similar to the Superbeast, concerning sound, or better NON-sound and well balanced transparancy due to it's components choice, this would be a go-to if i would be in the market for a stereo AD/DA converter.
That said, i am pretty much not into converters having ANY sound at all, that was the reason to upgrade to a Superbeast for high grade monitoring and going Mytek (in the past, at least in my budget category) and (soon) the new MOTU for *multichannel* conversion.
I understand people liking the Burl now, but it *has* a sound, even if it is a nice or 'expensive' one. It seemed somehow 'too good to be true', especially in the lows for me...
Extraordinary price/perfomance ratio for the svart AD. Glad it turned out to be SO good it can easily be discussed right next to a Burl, making it a tasteful sound vs. transparency discussion.
Congrats to svart. Obviously well done.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 10, 2015 21:12:16 GMT -6
Since we're talking apollo's a little: just wanted to say on tbolt with the tbolt driver's my system with an octo in a chassis has been rock solid not one error: bulletproof and like everyone on a mac and tbolt can't wait to rock console 2.
BOT its kind of like asking how rich do you like your gravy: depends on what your cooking and how you cooked it !
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 10, 2015 21:18:07 GMT -6
Someone really needs to do some analysis stock and clocked on the Burl / Apollo, because I have never seen an interface improve due to an external clock. Statistically make it worse sure, I'm not saying people might not prefer the sound because just like the Burl anything goes .. I had almost no experience with using external clocks, so I borrowed a BLA Micro Clock for a couple of days from a friend and used it to clock my Apollo. Believe me, everything sounded better with it. I didn't really care why, it just did. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 21:29:17 GMT -6
Someone really needs to do some analysis stock and clocked on the Burl / Apollo, because I have never seen an interface improve due to an external clock. Statistically make it worse sure, I'm not saying people might not prefer the sound because just like the Burl anything goes .. I had almost no experience with using external clocks, so I borrowed a BLA Micro Clock for a couple of days from a friend and used it to clock my Apollo. Believe me, everything sounded better with it. I didn't really care why, it just did. From a design perspective I just find it fascinating adding to a case scenario in which "best" (loose term here") isn't always better. External clocks do have a negative impact statistically speaking, like elevated noise floor and spurious frequencies that can be audible. Which makes me wonder why some buy extremely high performing ADDA solutions, only to reduce its performance? Your wallet would be better off with a less statistically advanced converter .. Still not saying any way is the right way, I'm just extremely curious. .. |
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Post by t3 on Feb 10, 2015 21:34:04 GMT -6
I had almost no experience with using external clocks, so I borrowed a BLA Micro Clock for a couple of days from a friend and used it to clock my Apollo. Believe me, everything sounded better with it. I didn't really care why, it just did. From a design perspective I just find it fascinating adding to a case scenario in which "best" (loose term here") isn't always better. External clocks do have a negative impact statistically speaking, like elevated noise floor and spurious frequencies that can be audible. Which makes me wonder why some buy extremely high performing ADDA solutions, only to reduce its performance? Your wallet would be better off with a less statistically advanced converter .. Still not saying any way is the right way, I'm just extremely curious. .. I'm not sure our ears understand statistics... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 21:35:36 GMT -6
From a design perspective I just find it fascinating adding to a case scenario in which "best" (loose term here") isn't always better. External clocks do have a negative impact statistically speaking, like elevated noise floor and spurious frequencies that can be audible. Which makes me wonder why some buy extremely high performing ADDA solutions, only to reduce its performance? Your wallet would be better off with a less statistically advanced converter .. Still not saying any way is the right way, I'm just extremely curious. .. I'm not sure our ears understand statistics... After 15 years, that's something I can definitely agree with. |
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Post by matt on Feb 10, 2015 21:53:50 GMT -6
I'm clocking my system off the Burl B2 AD, used for stereo return into PT. Never had an issue - both Symphony and Apollo seem to like it. I understand the theory behind internal clocking, but the reality is that "networked" clocking is a necessary evil if you have more than one digital audio device. And then there's always the computer and DAW. Complicated stuff, it's a wonder it ever works as expected.
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 10, 2015 22:01:53 GMT -6
Thanx JK, Svart, Randy! this was fun! Most importantly, i think it established that svarts rig is no joke!
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 10, 2015 23:12:28 GMT -6
I had almost no experience with using external clocks, so I borrowed a BLA Micro Clock for a couple of days from a friend and used it to clock my Apollo. Believe me, everything sounded better with it. I didn't really care why, it just did. From a design perspective I just find it fascinating adding to a case scenario in which "best" (loose term here") isn't always better. External clocks do have a negative impact statistically speaking, like elevated noise floor and spurious frequencies that can be audible. Which makes me wonder why some buy extremely high performing ADDA solutions, only to reduce its performance? Your wallet would be better off with a less statistically advanced converter .. Still not saying any way is the right way, I'm just extremely curious. .. If your really curious I can testify. Switching back and forth between the Apollo clock and then the Apollo using the Burl clock is astounding. Marlee Matlan and Hellen Keller could hear the difference. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 10, 2015 23:19:29 GMT -6
Well, I do think the Apollo sounds better with the Burl clock...but I'm not sure I would go all Helen Keller on it...but I'm listening through the RM 1794 via SPDIF...but aren't you too, Cowboy?
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 10, 2015 23:30:33 GMT -6
well for what its worth Mark Twain swore by external clocks ! |
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Post by formatcyes on Feb 11, 2015 0:03:19 GMT -6
Wow got it 100% wrong on the guitar. A monkey throwing $h...t at a board would have done better..
Still very pumped about svart's AD...
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