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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 16:45:04 GMT -6
I'm going to go for A) Apollo B) Symphony and C)Svart. no symphony in this race, the Burl must be B in your guess? Just based on the claims i heard people make about the apollo and burl in the past, they would both be heavier in the lows, so i'm sure that has influenced by choices, my latest guess is A-apollo, B-svart, C-burl Worst thing is, the only interface I've owned out of any of these is the Symphony LOL!.. But yeah, A) Apollo, B) Burl C) Svart.. I agree with Wiz though there's not much in them and they all have their own thing going on, I like them all TBH. If I had to choose a favourite it would have to be C. It seemed to have the most linear response.. Now like 95% of A/B tests I've been through both professionally and on general shootouts, prove I know sweet F/A by saying C is the Apollo which specs wise probably the worst interface out of the lot  .. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 10, 2015 16:51:53 GMT -6
^interesting, i hear 2 of the 3 every time as being hyped in the lows, and one of those 2 sounding more focused in the upper mids to high's, and i'm thinking thats the burl? But i'm with you, i know F/A about all three of these, it's just the way it's coming through from SC and my mac pro's built in DA so?
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Post by formatcyes on Feb 10, 2015 16:53:33 GMT -6
Guitar is way easier to pick (I think) C Svart's its the cleanest, B sounds louder and I still think compressed which makes it the Burl, A apollo.
Nothing wrong with your guitar work.. Thanks heaps guys. Now where is my RGO speedwagon..
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Post by svart on Feb 10, 2015 16:55:14 GMT -6
It's interesting. We have folks with all kinds of different opinions about which unit being which!
I don't even know which one is which. I have my suspicions, but I've purposely not asked John which file was what unit.
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Post by nomatic on Feb 10, 2015 16:58:59 GMT -6
So Far I am having a slight preference for B over C in general but both are strong...
B seems to have a little more weight but C has more subtle detail. A is the fine but weaker in comparison....
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 10, 2015 17:02:40 GMT -6
It's interesting. We have folks with all kinds of different opinions about which unit being which! I don't even know which one is which. I have my suspicions, but I've purposely not asked John which file was what unit. Curious, are you hearing the bottom of two of them as being more hyped and pushy as compared to the third? That kind of bass push does not sound natural to me, would start to be a problem with the sum of just 2 channels, and is the primary reasons i made the choices i did. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 17:03:31 GMT -6
^interesting, i hear 2 of the 3 every time as being hyped in the lows, and one of those 2 sounding more focused in the upper mids to high's, and i'm thinking thats the burl? But i'm with you, i know F/A about all three of these, it's just the way it's coming through from SC and my mac pro's built in DA so? Yeah, I'm waiting for my MOTU 1248 so I don't have an interface to hook into my monitors. But still, if there is a difference which I can hear a slight one then you should be able to hear it on near enough anything. These headphones aren't the best with LF response though, so what you hear as hyped I might hear as balanced  .. I have some HD650's for a laugh I'll try it on my laptop .. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 10, 2015 17:44:27 GMT -6
It's interesting. We have folks with all kinds of different opinions about which unit being which! I don't even know which one is which. I have my suspicions, but I've purposely not asked John which file was what unit. What's your guess then? |
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Post by category5 on Feb 10, 2015 17:50:35 GMT -6
My guess would be A-Svart, B-Burl, C-Apollo
All sound pretty much in the same ballpark. Stacking tracks will reveal more shortcomings, but these are all pro class converters.
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 10, 2015 18:10:03 GMT -6
wow, we have a split decision across the board! It's the guys who have experience with the apollo and burl who'd be closest i'd think, that would be cowboy, JK(disqualified lol), and Kcat. It'd be interesting if cowboycoalminer and kcatthedog could give one last listen and make a guess before JK releases what's what? |
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Post by donr on Feb 10, 2015 19:07:40 GMT -6
For the dobro, I like B and C, but none of them are unmusical. Can't tell about the voice which I prefer. Often the narrow sounding one does better in a mix. Svart's AD is already impressive, in good company, whichever it is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 19:11:36 GMT -6
When do we get put out of our misery? Need some results big J.!
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Post by t3 on Feb 10, 2015 19:19:19 GMT -6
I say--
A) Svart
B) Apollo
C) Burl
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 10, 2015 19:40:30 GMT -6
Ha cat5 has apollo too but not burl
I find with guitar i thought a svart, b burl and c apollo !
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 10, 2015 20:01:31 GMT -6
I guess everyone should go buy an Apollo (and clock it with a Burl because I THINK I forgot to clock it internally on every take)...
The answers:
A) Svartbox
B) Apollo
C) Burl
in every test.
Here's my take from it all. You can't really tell anything until you have it in front of you and use it for a while. AND these were all different takes...so you're welcome for the shitty science experiment. Thirdly, there's really not enough difference to get caught up in...Fourthly, why the hell does my Burl cost $2200? Here's what I heard:
BTW - listen to what each one does with the esses...
Svartbox - handles transients the smoothest - no hype on bottom - I consider this probably the truest to the original sound.
Apollo - rolled off on very top, forward in 1-4khz region, somewhat boring to me...but I can see why people would like it in the beginning. Sometimes, we equate "vintage" with "rolled off". Listen again and see if I'm wrong - I might be - but I just feel like there are moments that this upper mid forward thing raises it's head and could really cause problems down the line. Maybe I could sing a vocal again making sure I'm using the Apollo clock.
Burl - Bigger bottom, sheenier top. It's impressive...but it's a little unfair, it's akin to me running through a VP28 before going into the converter. Do you want to account for that in your AD converter? IDK.
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Post by matt on Feb 10, 2015 20:10:50 GMT -6
I guess everyone should go buy an Apollo Hah Hah! Wow, just WOW. Got it COMPLETELY wrong. Gonna pour me a Belvy/Tonic and ruminate on the reality of it all. Did I say I hate hate hate blind tests? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 10, 2015 20:14:07 GMT -6
I really need to sing another with the internal clock to see if it makes a difference.
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Post by porkyman on Feb 10, 2015 20:22:18 GMT -6
never used any of these so i wouldnt know. i like A. the best. B. sounds muffled to me. C. is weird. i first listened through hd 280 straight out the computer and the low end was so overwhelming it almost sounded distorted. but listening through K702's out of the RM bare beast it sounded really good. maybe even better than A... listened to the vox only.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 20:22:20 GMT -6
I really need to sing another with the internal clock to see if it makes a difference. So it seems as stated I preferred the Burl (which I thought was SVARTS), so news of the hour.. Gearslut likes expensive gear.. Shocker! There's been theories hanging about for ages that we don't actually prefer clean, not by a long shot. As is the case with Prism vs. Steinberg thread, on paper the MRX is pretty low down in the food chain. Another example is the Art MP (SuperhypermegaT00Bs) vs. Great River.. I think Burl are definitely onto something. |
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Post by matt on Feb 10, 2015 20:28:31 GMT -6
To JK, Randy, and all who played: Attachment DeletedI just picked up another 8 outputs that I haven't been using. Why? Because I'm biased against so-called "mid-range" gear. Symphony is still #1, but I will be using my Apollo for mono sends and such. Thanks Misters Kennedy and Kohrs, you've saved me some cash. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 20:33:17 GMT -6
This is great and I don't mean to diminish any of it but it is funny however, that for all the praise that the Apollo line got from you guys, it is now being sliced and diced - lol.
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 10, 2015 20:35:01 GMT -6
well, i got the burl mainly because it's louder, but i'm surprised about the apollo, from what i've read everywhere it supposedly had a ton.. if not TOO much bottom, so i jumped to A being the apollo because it was closest to C on the bottom. Just goes to show you, you need these in your hands to really dig in.
That said, svarts rig is hanging with both of these no problem, and closer to the burl, and on its own clock to boot.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 20:36:32 GMT -6
This is great and I don't mean to diminish any of it but it is funny however, that for all the praise that the Apollo line got from you guys, it is now being sliced and diced - lol. There's no problems IMO with the Apollo conversion, the -38 errors on the other hand and things they "choose" to support are. I looked at the Windows thread and some guys had been out of action for nearly 6 months :S.. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 10, 2015 20:36:46 GMT -6
This is great and I don't mean to diminish any of it but it is funny however, that for all the praise that the Apollo line got from you guys, it is now being sliced and diced - lol. what do you mean? it basically got picked by most, albeit with the burl clocking it. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 10, 2015 20:38:51 GMT -6
My experience clocking my apollo off the burl and or the bla microclock mk ii was that this improved the stock apollo ymmv but I think this could be part of what's going on hear.
I feel people's comments about considering what would happen cumulatively when stacking are insightful too.
Thx again guys, these show cases are a lot of work and special thx to svart for doing the heavy design build lifting: much appreciated !
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