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Post by Randge on Feb 10, 2015 10:15:09 GMT -6
If it were a solo reso recording, I would have picked the Burl, but for getting a Reso to fit in a mix, sound natural and open, your box was the winner, Svart. I felt the Apollo sounded edgy in the mids and quite a bit brighter on the top, but not the kind of brighter I wanted to hear. 6-8k instead of a breathy and pretty 14-16k.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 10, 2015 10:34:26 GMT -6
If it were a solo reso recording, I would have picked the Burl, but for getting a Reso to fit in a mix, sound natural and open, your box was the winner, Svart. I felt the Apollo sounded edgy in the mids and quite a bit brighter on the top, but not the kind of brighter I wanted to hear. 6-8k instead of a breathy and pretty 14-16k. R Totally agree, Randy... |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 10, 2015 10:40:18 GMT -6
Heya john, do you think we could also get the acoustic guitar tracks up too? Personally, I thought the acoustic tracks were the most telling between the converters. The vocals were next and then the resonator tracks were a big toss up and based mostly on personal preference. I actually preferred the bottom end that the burl put on the resonator more than the others, but my converter had more clarity on the top. However we're talking like minuscule difference here and it took a lot of back and forth to pick out the differences. (even switching to Cubase from PT for a bit better playback fidelity..) I think as a design goal, it was always to hang with converters like the Burl and others. Once you get to that kind of level it's just a matter of producer/engineer taste that picks which converter gets used. As Randge said, if you can't make a record with any of these, something is seriously wrong. Yeah man, I can get them up...they kinda sound like crap...because I'm a shitty engineer (and bad player)...but I will sacrifice my reputation for the good of the goal  |
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 10, 2015 11:09:25 GMT -6
Well I guess we are all relieved to know, you have no problems "getting them up"!
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 10, 2015 11:26:06 GMT -6
Heya john, do you think we could also get the acoustic guitar tracks up too? Personally, I thought the acoustic tracks were the most telling between the converters. The vocals were next and then the resonator tracks were a big toss up and based mostly on personal preference. I actually preferred the bottom end that the burl put on the resonator more than the others, but my converter had more clarity on the top. However we're talking like minuscule difference here and it took a lot of back and forth to pick out the differences. (even switching to Cubase from PT for a bit better playback fidelity..) I think as a design goal, it was always to hang with converters like the Burl and others. Once you get to that kind of level it's just a matter of producer/engineer taste that picks which converter gets used. As Randge said, if you can't make a record with any of these, something is seriously wrong. Yeah man, I can get them up...they kinda sound like crap...because I'm a shitty engineer (and bad player)...but I will sacrifice my reputation for the good of the goal Don't forget terrible photographer! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 10, 2015 11:28:09 GMT -6
It was the moonshine...
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 10, 2015 11:42:15 GMT -6
are you guys writing a song line by line or what ? that made me turn to her and say |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 10, 2015 11:44:25 GMT -6
Whisky whisky grandpa
Smell of jasmine
Flip flops down by the lake
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 10, 2015 13:01:59 GMT -6
"smell of jasmine's flip flops"? we're breaking new ground here! 8)
stacking tracks is where it's at for conversion imo, i've said that before, that said, all of these were usable, 2 of them had more than another, clarity without a hyped bottom is what i'm guessing is the svartacus? i'm curious as to if i was consistent in my hearing on that?
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Post by svart on Feb 10, 2015 13:45:38 GMT -6
"smell of jasmine's flip flops"? we're breaking new ground here! 8) stacking tracks is where it's at for conversion imo, i've said that before, that said, all of these were usable, 2 of them had more than another, clarity without a hyped bottom is what i'm guessing is the svartacus? i'm curious as to if i was consistent in my hearing on that? From what I remember everyone saying, and my hearing, that is what we concluded at the listening party. The burl and my box had pretty nice mid-ranges, I personally thought mine had a little more air on top than the burl, but the burl definitely had a beefier mojo thing on the bottom, but we're talking just a tiny amount. Anyway, John didn't have any splitter/mult cables so we couldn't split into each A/D with a single take, so even the small differences could simply be where he was sitting in relation to the mics on each separate take too. The only one that was different enough to easily pick out was the Apollo. I just didn't like the midrange peak on anything that we recorded. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 14:12:03 GMT -6
I'm just impressed you managed to pull it off, I've been around the block contracting for the likes of Avid and TI. Our customers always had large teams just to dissect our eval boards. Never mind trying to create an ADDA single handed, again very impressive..
Well done, SVART.. Looking forward to hearing about pricing etc.
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 10, 2015 14:25:28 GMT -6
well, considering the high frequency stuff C does for a living, this thing is a bit of childs play for him, he definitely used super high end components, but the fact that it's competing with things that cost more than 2wice as much $ is impressive as hell, i'd be curious to know if you(chris) hear a diff without the decoupling caps in line? What would be the specific DC generating units upstream to look out for without them in line?
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 10, 2015 14:39:10 GMT -6
I'll post AG when I get home, but do you guys want the answer to the first 2 yet?
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Post by matt on Feb 10, 2015 14:51:57 GMT -6
I'll post AG when I get home, but do you guys want the answer to the first 2 yet? Yes, the suspense is killing me. |
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Post by svart on Feb 10, 2015 14:53:11 GMT -6
I'm just impressed you managed to pull it off, I've been around the block contracting for the likes of Avid and TI. Our customers always had large teams just to dissect our eval boards. Never mind trying to create an ADDA single handed, again very impressive.. Well done, SVART.. Looking forward to hearing about pricing etc. If you see my signature line, I'm an electrical engineer by trade and it has mostly to do with RF signal integrity and digitizing of those signals for processing, so it's not hard compared to some of the stuff I do on a daily basis. However, nothing like this is trivial and there is a lot of small work that goes into the big picture, and that takes time and consideration. I've always worked in places where each person is somewhat specialized in the work they do, so if I can't do it, nobody else at the company will, and likewise I can't do some of the things the other guys around here do on a daily basis. This allows me the openness to try crazy things because nobody knows enough about what I do to say I'm crazy! For my work, I typically thrive in figuring out things that have stumped teams of folks and some of the biggest brains in the industry I work in. One of the engineers I worked with called me the "Wookie". Partially because I'm apparently a hulking beast of a man, and partially because "when all else fails, send in the wookie". This type of work has allowed me to think in completely abstract ways to get around the conventional ideology that infects a lot of highly educated folks that I've worked with too. I call it the "academic disease" and the symptoms are that someone thinks that since their 150K$ education doesn't make something clear, that it can't possibly be. I went to community college, and those same folks typically look down on me because I didn't go to a prestigious university. In other words, I live to prove these people wrong, and I've made some people very unhappy with my results. In fact, I'm doing some research on a project that another team of very experienced engineers has said couldn't be done, and certainly couldn't be done in the time allotted and for the budget they were given. I think I've found a novel way to do it that not only will cut about 3 months out of the project schedule, but also cost about 30% of what the budget has allotted. It's what I do. Besides, on something like this, 30% of it was reference design, 30% was layout, 20% was implementation, 10% parts choice and 10% intuition. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 10, 2015 15:13:44 GMT -6
Sorry. Home internet is down. Posting from my phone.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 10, 2015 15:16:00 GMT -6
I'm just impressed you managed to pull it off, I've been around the block contracting for the likes of Avid and TI. Our customers always had large teams just to dissect our eval boards. Never mind trying to create an ADDA single handed, again very impressive.. Well done, SVART.. Looking forward to hearing about pricing etc. If you see my signature line, I'm an electrical engineer by trade and it has mostly to do with RF signal integrity and digitizing of those signals for processing, so it's not hard compared to some of the stuff I do on a daily basis. However, nothing like this is trivial and there is a lot of small work that goes into the big picture, and that takes time and consideration. I've always worked in places where each person is somewhat specialized in the work they do, so if I can't do it, nobody else at the company will, and likewise I can't do some of the things the other guys around here do on a daily basis. This allows me the openness to try crazy things because nobody knows enough about what I do to say I'm crazy! For my work, I typically thrive in figuring out things that have stumped teams of folks and some of the biggest brains in the industry I work in. One of the engineers I worked with called me the "Wookie". Partially because I'm apparently a hulking beast of a man, and partially because "when all else fails, send in the wookie". This type of work has allowed me to think in completely abstract ways to get around the conventional ideology that infects a lot of highly educated folks that I've worked with too. I call it the "academic disease" and the symptoms are that someone thinks that since their 150K$ education doesn't make something clear, that it can't possibly be. I went to community college, and those same folks typically look down on me because I didn't go to a prestigious university. In other words, I live to prove these people wrong, and I've made some people very unhappy with my results. In fact, I'm doing some research on a project that another team of very experienced engineers has said couldn't be done, and certainly couldn't be done in the time allotted and for the budget they were given. I think I've found a novel way to do it that not only will cut about 3 months out of the project schedule, but also cost about 30% of what the budget has allotted. It's what I do. Besides, on something like this, 30% of it was reference design, 30% was layout, 20% was implementation, 10% parts choice and 10% intuition. Can you run for Congress? Cause that shit is broke. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 10, 2015 15:18:16 GMT -6
Comcast computer says service will be restored at "4:49..."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 15:34:57 GMT -6
Good to hear your background Svart, I'm an Audio R&D developer (software) by trade. Embedded processors / class compliant devices (USB, TB) drivers / Telephony systems and Audio Workstations (DAWS). On the side I do games in fact over the last couple of years I've been trying to spin off into doing games full time but I can't afford the wage difference. I'm not an electronics guru by any means, but understand enough to do what I need to do.. As you say, it's certainly not trivial and I agree with "Paper" engineers. Personally it winds me up when they can't think of the "bigger picture".. What I say, just take it as a complement. Not saying you personally couldn't pull it off, it's not something many people can do and is always a great achievement within itself. I think were similar in many respects, I get paid to solve problems and I love that. Never a fan of corporate "red tape" and budgets, but I enjoy what I do and wouldn't trade it for anything. Unless I get bored, which I do often and very easily!. I'm surprised at the level of "skill" on this board, generally it's a bunch of guys who has never touched anything repeating what they google'd without any context (on the site that shall not be named).. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 10, 2015 15:44:57 GMT -6
Acoustic files added in first post
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 10, 2015 15:58:57 GMT -6
Not so badly played John, thanks!
Still get the same feeling, A is a little distant, B is cleaner, a slight sheen, very true, I could learn to like this, C, I just like it this way, probably the Burl. Now, hurry up and tell me I've been wrong, and that "C" is the Svartacus, and I'll send a deposit tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 16:22:46 GMT -6
I'm going to go for A) Apollo B) Symphony and C)Svart.
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 10, 2015 16:28:53 GMT -6
you play nicely JK,
which one sounds the most like it would in a room to me? B. Which one would i want if i was going to put it in a mix? B, because it would need the least amount of tweaking to get it to go in the direction of my choice.
looking forward to the reveal.
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 10, 2015 16:31:51 GMT -6
I'm going to go for A) Apollo B) Symphony and C)Svart. no symphony in this race, the Burl must be B in your guess? Just based on the claims i heard people make about the apollo and burl in the past, they would both be heavier in the lows, so i'm sure that has influenced by choices, my latest guess is A-apollo, B-svart, C-burl |
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Post by wiz on Feb 10, 2015 16:35:55 GMT -6
I just listened to all of them.
I didn't really have a preference.. they all sounded cool in their own way... have no idea who's is who's... which is a really big kudos to Svart , hanging with that crowd.
I however did think the biggest difference was Resonator B.. that sounded amazing.
cheers
Wiz
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