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Post by formatcyes on Jan 27, 2015 14:54:50 GMT -6
Freeze track would be worth the price of admission Altho Logic X is about the same price... I realy want of this avid bandwagon but just one more hit...
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jan 27, 2015 15:33:50 GMT -6
They've said there will be bug fix upDATES just as there have always been for a while after new Pro Tools versions have come out.
UpGRADES with new features are what will require a current support plan.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 27, 2015 17:11:20 GMT -6
Thx Bob,
Btw11.3 does not have the missing codec problem i had in.1-.2 and my imoviie QT files imported and played fine in 11.3.
If you want to see my video about the WA 76 comp and tracking with glyn John's technique its at youtube kcatthedog: up to 2600 views !!
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Post by bleehd on Jan 27, 2015 20:55:13 GMT -6
Hey guys. Thanks for sharing my link! From what the representative told me, you pay for a year of service and support. After that year of service and support, you no longer are able to use PT. The FAQ that I've seen come up makes that very confusing, so now I'm not sure if we're misunderstanding their FAQ, he gave the wrong information, or if I misunderstood him. I'm fairly sure I understood him because I asked him quite a few questions to clarify that as I really hate being screwed, and I'll make sure I'm not getting screwed when I purchase something. If the FAQ is correct and I can just buy the upgrade for one year, that could be nice to at least get 12 and whatever upgrades they have for 2015. The part that sucks? If I don't renew after my one year anniversary, I have to buy it outright for $899 or do the subscription. It's a tough spot to be in. If I'm able to clarify the information, I'll make sure to have some information at www.bleehd.comIf you guys are able to have an AVID rep confirm the information, let me know by contacting me on my site. I'd greatly appreciate it! |
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Post by swurveman on Jan 27, 2015 21:06:49 GMT -6
Track Freeze is probably the most requested feature. If it's in 12, they should be advertising that fact. I'd add pinging hardware inserts for delay compensation. And being able to use Low Latency Monitoring without losing your hardware inserts. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 27, 2015 21:24:49 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 27, 2015 22:10:05 GMT -6
I'm so freaking confused.
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Post by matt on Jan 27, 2015 22:41:06 GMT -6
Hey guys. Thanks for sharing my link! From what the representative told me, you pay for a year of service and support. After that year of service and support, you no longer are able to use PT. Correct, for a one year subscription, which expires if not renewed. If you own a perpetual license and purchase a support plan (which is different than the subscription service), support expires, not the software itself. |
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Post by adogg4629 on Jan 28, 2015 13:46:53 GMT -6
Something people are missing is that 12 is not a fixed block of new features like new versions have been in the past. They say they will be adding a few new features at a time over the course of each year rather than saving everything up for a giant upgrade every few years. This is why it's being sold as a years worth of upgrades. The support means they'll find out about any bugs they missed immediately and be able to fix them much faster than waiting to hear from dealers or corporate users. Their support people also have the capability of troubleshooting and repairing people's systems remotely. Corporations have been using this service for years but now they are putting everybody on it. What twelve is this month is not what it will be in three months or three months after that. That's why I suggest that 11 owners wait until they see something they want in 12 before signing on. I like your quote, but to further confuse the issue, when I talked to Avid I asked if they would be doing that for everybody and what I got was a resounding "no". Only for "Avid Qualified Systems". Meaning the Macintosh Family that meets spec a few HPs, and a few Dell's. No custom boxes, no Alienware etc. . Not even the "Pro Tools PC". |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 28, 2015 15:24:41 GMT -6
JK we both bought perpetual vanilla non-HD pt 11 licenses without subscription, so our software keeps running, we do not have any additional support, we do not get major updates, like anything included in what is called 12 but we are supposed to get bug fixes and or . releases up to 12, if any occur.
We have until Dec 2015 to decide if we want to subscribe under the current rules or I guess how they may change them until then.
So our vanilla 11's run now and will keep on running and we have access to the currently co-installed 10 for backwards compatibility and it will reside on our computers too with licenses in iloc mgr
the thing we want to watch for is if avid changes the subscription costs and or what happens if we don't subscribe before jan 1 2016 to sign up to latter version of pro tools 12 + costs, if they are higher than $199 a year, then that is costing more than subscribing or you look at the net saving of not paying $199 x each year, against what ever those future sign up costs might be.
I do feel that avid is deliberating floating this smoke screen to confuse, annoy ,frustrate people so they say fuck it and just start paying the subscription to have made a decision.
BUT if we give up our perpetual 10/11 licenses and enter the subscription service, if we do not renew in 12 months time, what happened to our paid for perpetual 10/11 licenses, can we revert ?
Bob ?
ps I did just have a very positive experience with avid support reaching out to me to asist with my 11 codec problem so i am not out for avid blood but clarity and transparency would be appreciated.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jan 28, 2015 17:13:45 GMT -6
Just as in the past you can expect bug fixes for 11 to be released for some time. Somebody wrote they were told at the show both 10 and 11 through December but I'm pretty sure they are legally required to supply bug fixes for several years after selling their last hardware bundled with a given version. They just wont offer upgrades to work with major OS versions beyond whatever was current at that time.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 28, 2015 18:03:37 GMT -6
Got this from the DUC page
1) People buying an upgrade to PT11 now get 12 for free when it comes out,
2) Pro Tools 12 is not available yet,
3) You don't have to do anything yet,
4) You don't have to anything when Pro Tools 12 is released,
5) You do have to make a decision about upgrading Pro Tools by end of 2015,
6) The upgrade to PT12 costs $199,
7) The upgrade includes a renewable support plan at $199 annually,
8) If you don't upgrade, your PT licence will be stuck at PT11 unupgradable,
9) If you later decide you want a newer version of PT ...
a) You could to buy a new licence at $899,
b) Or you could 'rent' a licence, but if you stop renting it stops working,
b) You'll have two licences,
c) One able to run PT10/11,
d) The other able to run whatever is current at the time of purchase, plus possibly older versions (for example, when first available we've been told that the new licence bundle will include licences for 10, 11 and 12),
e) That new licence, which includes support plan, will also run any newer versions released while the support plan is active,
f) The same rules apply to that new licence regarding renewing the support plan, if you don't keep renewing it annually, it stops being upgradable.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 28, 2015 18:05:32 GMT -6
So, basically, I will be extorted into paying $199 before the end of the year, because I don't want to have to pay $899 for another license after not switching to subscription before 2016. Maybe this will give me time to start learning Cubase or Logic.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 28, 2015 18:21:49 GMT -6
I know some of you have already explained this, but I just thought I would reiterate...If you already own PT11, you own a perpetual license. (below) So - to get on the "support plan", I just need to make up my mind before Dec 31 2015. But - if I let my perpetual license lapse - I would just be stuck at the version that it lapsed at. Now - my question is this - if I decided 2 years later to get back on the support plan, it would only cost me another $199, correct? Or if I let it lapse would I have to pay $899 to get back in???
Q. What is a perpetual license?
A. A "perpetual license" is a license that does not expire—you own the software. You get a perpetual license when you purchase a new Pro Tools or Pro Tools | HD system or Pro Tools software. New Pro Tools software purchases come with a one-year annual upgrade and support plan. After one year, you have the option of renewing your plan to continue receiving the latest features. If you choose not to renew, you can continue using your software indefinitely at the latest version you have, but will not be able to upgrade it at a later time.
Q. Will my Pro Tools perpetual license stop working at the end of the one-year upgrade and support plan period?
A. No, you can continue to use Pro Tools if you allow your upgrade and support plan to expire. However, if you want to continue receiving updates with new features, you will need to renew your plan before it expires or switch to a subscription. Pro Tools and Pro Tools | HD owners will have through the end of 2015 to get on an annual upgrade and support plan. If you don’t get on a plan, you will not be able to upgrade your software in the future.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 28, 2015 18:33:48 GMT -6
"if you don’t get on a plan, you will not be able to upgrade your software in the future."
that'a avid's way of thanking you, for forking over all the dough we have spent up until now running buggy old 32 bit sessions and when you finally get a 64 bit engine years after every body else , they put a gun to your head 2 years later
great business model !
So get with the plan or be marooned in 11 and at whatever OS it will operate in.
I just don't see how protools is worth $200 usd a year, FOREVER, to me. YMMV !
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 28, 2015 18:57:41 GMT -6
"if you don’t get on a plan, you will not be able to upgrade your software in the future." that'a avid's way of thanking you, for forking over all the dough we have spent up until now running buggy old 32 bit sessions and when you finally get a 64 bit engine years after every body else , they put a gun to your head 2 years later great business model ! So get with the plan or be marooned in 11 and at whatever OS it will operate in. I just don't see how protools is worth $200 usd a year, FOREVER, to me. YMMV ! How much do you pay for cable tv? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 28, 2015 19:22:05 GMT -6
Yeah - I'm trying not to freak out. I pay $100+ for other plugs several times a year. But this is obviously not making me the happiest camper in the world.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 28, 2015 19:36:54 GMT -6
Yeah - I'm trying not to freak out. I pay $100+ for other plugs several times a year. But this is obviously not making me the happiest camper in the world. Yeah, I'm not psyched either, but $17/mo to have continual compatibility between Pro Tools and my OS isn't the end of the world. I probably paid $200 to upgrade to 10 and another $200 to get 11. Probably not be much of a price change in the end. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 28, 2015 19:38:48 GMT -6
so years of being a pro tools user is negated if i don't upgrade when they want me to? I'd have to start at the beginning? I mean that is fucking unbelievable.. seriously? I hope this is bad info, because it's utterly unfair.
if i upgrade now or the end of this year, and then a year from now/then i let it lapse, will i have to pay $899? or start from the beginning as a new subscriber?
What if for instance i'm working away on PT9 and never visit forums or what ever, then I decide I want to upgrade, I go to the Avid site where I'm met with "no upgrades for you, u start over from scratch now, fuck you and the $1000's you've paid over the years 8)" Seriously? what a crock of shit!
I will wait until this all becomes clear, if what is stated above is the truth? then they can suck my balls good luck!
I'm out!
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 28, 2015 19:41:55 GMT -6
Yeah - I'm trying not to freak out. I pay $100+ for other plugs several times a year. But this is obviously not making me the happiest camper in the world. Yeah, I'm not psyched either, but $17/mo to have continual compatibility between Pro Tools and my OS isn't the end of the world. I probably paid $200 to upgrade to 10 and another $200 to get 11. Probably not be much of a price change in the end. yeah, PT does this along with +waves+uad+slate+?+?+++++ pretty soon you're a broke bitch! it shows 0 customer loyalty. I should be able to jump when I want to jump, i am so happy i'm going primarily OTB. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 28, 2015 19:48:57 GMT -6
"if you don’t get on a plan, you will not be able to upgrade your software in the future." that'a avid's way of thanking you, for forking over all the dough we have spent up until now running buggy old 32 bit sessions and when you finally get a 64 bit engine years after every body else , they put a gun to your head 2 years later great business model ! So get with the plan or be marooned in 11 and at whatever OS it will operate in. I just don't see how protools is worth $200 usd a year, FOREVER, to me. YMMV ! How much do you pay for cable tv? Ah come on ? Relative to other competative daws! i can buy logic for the same price and not have to pay the same amount annually, i have seen two copies of studio one pro used for $150 . I completely understand the subscription plan is a coffee a day and also 1,000 usd every 5 years. So the sunk and opportunitty costs concern me as i can do other things with $800 bucks: 2 seven circle pres , a neve and a jenson , one new warm eq , a max 67 kit : the list goes on and on or dribs and drabs from avid that will probably not really change how I record very much at all and thats just the first 5 years. I also don't aporeciate avid's machinations as I have already paid a fair bit up till now and I am on vanilla ! some of the horror stories of people with their hi end avid costs man do i emphathize ! Oh my cable cost me $50 a month and nobody watches tv but if i drop me tv I lose a discount and then they jack my phone plan ! Up here in canada we pay some of the highest cable and cell rates to subsidize the owners of those private sector businesses cus ah why ?? |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 28, 2015 19:51:37 GMT -6
if i upgrade now or the end of this year, and then a year from now/then i let it lapse, will i have to pay $899? or start from the beginning as a new subscriber? This is a big concern for me too. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 28, 2015 20:02:48 GMT -6
And once they got you where they want then they start jacking the subscriptions rate and people will say oh its just 5 bucks more or whatever and it will not end
I always remember the avid's board's million dollar pay out to lose the previous boss: that added a lot of customer value: right ?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 28, 2015 20:12:49 GMT -6
How much do you pay for cable tv? Ah come on ? Relative to other competative daws! i can buy logic for the same price and not have to pay the same amount annually, i have seen two copies of studio one pro used for $150 . I completely understand the subscription plan is a coffee a day and also 1,000 usd every 5 years. So the sunk and opportunitty costs concern me as i can do other things with $800 bucks: 2 seven circle pres , a neve and a jenson , one new warm eq , a max 67 kit : the list goes on and on or dribs and drabs from avid that will probably not really change how I record very much at all and thats just the first 5 years. I also don't aporeciate avid's machinations as I have already paid a fair bit up till now and I am on vanilla ! some of the horror stories of people with their hi end avid costs man do i emphathize ! Oh my cable cost me $50 a month and nobody watches tv but if i drop me tv I lose a discount and then they jack my phone plan ! Up here in canada we pay some of the highest cable and cell rates to subsidize the owners of those private sector businesses cus ah why ?? Just to be clear, I'm not an Avid fan. I bought a shitty sounding mbox and 002 over 10 years ago just so I could use the Pro Tools at home. At least we don't have to be locked to those pieces of crap anymore. Anyway, $200/year for the industry standard software isn't the end of the world, imo. Everyone is moving to the subscription model too. Cakewalk already did right? I'm sure it's only a matter of time. I'm going to at least try to remain calm until we get the full story. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 28, 2015 20:14:26 GMT -6
so years of being a pro tools user is negated if i don't upgrade when they want me to? I'd have to start at the beginning? I mean that is fucking unbelievable.. seriously? I hope this is bad info, because it's utterly unfair. if i upgrade now or the end of this year, and then a year from now/then i let it lapse, will i have to pay $899? or start from the beginning as a new subscriber? What if for instance i'm working away on PT9 and never visit forums or what ever, then I decide I want to upgrade, I go to the Avid site where I'm met with "no upgrades for you, u start over from scratch now, fuck you and the $1000's you've paid over the years 8)" Seriously? what a crock of shit! I will wait until this all becomes clear, if what is stated above is the truth? then they can suck my balls good luck! I'm out! I'm afraid this is EXACTLY what Avid is doing - it's what they've been doing with Media Composer as well (if you don't pay each year, you have to re-buy from scratch) they've just now ported over the idea to Pro Tools. A friend of mine (video editor) basically made the case to them that he didn't want to upgrade his computer, which would be required for the latest Media Composer, and they said "oh, that's no problem, you still have to pay the yearly fee but nothing requires you to install the latest version you just have to pay for it" bunch of sweethearts. ok then, I believe you, though i'd like to read it in black n white from them that this is the case, and if it is, I certainly will be moving on, what a joke, I guarantee I'm not the only one who's gonna do this, I think this looks to be a back breaking blunder, I hope they get crushed by it! News bulletin Avid, music isn't a big money maker anymore, you just screwed yourself! |
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