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Post by ericn on Jan 25, 2015 21:29:02 GMT -6
Not really a PT software Disks have the HD software on them the Equipment present and Ilok tell it what to Use and if you have HD native or HDX rig it installs everything , so if you take away the HD Native Rig or HDX it runs like PT software ! This is for the guy who likes to use his laptop for his studio rig and on the plane. In PT land when you say PT Native they think HD Bative, it is called PT software and has confused many a person. I may be misunderstanding something Eric, but are you saying you can take your laptop- which was originally installed with an HD interface running Pro Tools HDX or Native software- connect it to a 3rd party interface and be able to use the "i" buttons on the audio channels pictured below?  It will function as PT Software with non HD hardware, if you look at the assets in your Ilok acct an HD lic inc a basic lic as well. That's what I was told by an AVID REP and the current PT specialist at Full Co when I was sure tony had been wrongly informed a HDNative card would fully function with PT Software. The problem as I understand it is the fun of opening a session with a bunch of hardware inserts and TDM plugs and they are not their. Now this may have changed with 12! Avid never told anybody this in the Pre PT software days, they liked guys buying more lic and hardware ( remember that stupid second USB dongle with a headphone Amp they called an interface). If I had a 10 HD lic and I pluged it into my kids Mac mini I could open and run a session in PT Soft on his Apogee duet ! |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jan 25, 2015 22:13:45 GMT -6
I use it every day with an M-Audio card and the "I" buttons are right there as is the disc cache, VCAs and automation.
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Post by swurveman on Jan 26, 2015 8:42:26 GMT -6
I may be misunderstanding something Eric, but are you saying you can take your laptop- which was originally installed with an HD interface running Pro Tools HDX or Native software- connect it to a 3rd party interface and be able to use the "i" buttons on the audio channels pictured below? It will function as PT Software with non HD hardware, if you look at the assets in your Ilok acct an HD lic inc a basic lic as well. That's what I was told by an AVID REP and the current PT specialist at Full Co when I was sure tony had been wrongly informed a HDNative card would fully function with PT Software. The problem as I understand it is the fun of opening a session with a bunch of hardware inserts and TDM plugs and they are not their. Now this may have changed with 12! Avid never told anybody this in the Pre PT software days, they liked guys buying more lic and hardware ( remember that stupid second USB dongle with a headphone Amp they called an interface). If I had a 10 HD lic and I pluged it into my kids Mac mini I could open and run a session in PT Soft on his Apogee duet ! Thanks Eric. I'll check it out in PT11. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 26, 2015 14:39:06 GMT -6
I'm so fricking confused. How much money are they wanting from me just to use the software?
Availability and Pricing
Pro Tools software subscription and licensing options will be available in February 2015.
Pro Tools software monthly subscription (one-month license subscription with updates and support) starts at $29.99/month
Pro Tools software annual upgrade plan (12 months of updates and support) starts at $199
Pro Tools software annual subscription (12-month license subscription with updates and support) starts at $299
Perpetual licenses for Pro Tools software (includes 12 months of updates and support) start at $899
The new plug-ins and bundles are now available as in-app purchases within Pro Tools via the Avid Marketplace.
Am I reading this right? I have to buy a "License subscription" AND an annual "upgrade plan"?? Who the fuck do these people think they are??
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 26, 2015 15:09:20 GMT -6
jK lets hope its just another hernandez fuck up ! But avid being avid would i be surprised if the $199 was a trial balloon to soften us up and then hit you with another sucker punch, in a word No. UA puleeeeese make a daw and put me out of my avid misery  apollo , console 2, ua plugs , svarts box: i'm rockin ! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 26, 2015 15:15:29 GMT -6
I agree, man...I TRUST UA right now. I DON'T trust AVID...Looks like I might have to make Logic or Cubase work.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jan 26, 2015 15:26:08 GMT -6
Are you buying from scratch or upgrading an earlier version?
If you are already on 11, just hold off until you see a feature you want in 12 and then enroll in 12 additional months of support and upgrades from that point. Support consists of one phone call a month or more if they deem it appropriate and unlimited internet responses within 4 hours. HD users get unlimited phone support.
If you are upgrading to 11, the 12 months of upgrades begins at that point.
If you don't own Pro Tools, rental is cheaper than buying until 7 years into the support plans.
The upgrades from the support plans are permanent. Rental goes away if you stop paying and starts again when you do. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 26, 2015 15:29:23 GMT -6
I own PT11. I might just hold off permanently.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 26, 2015 16:03:05 GMT -6
If you own 11 we have until dec 2016 to decide
Pt xpert had already compared 12 to 11 not big differences just cloud junk
Unless your clients are on pt cloud how do you benefit ?
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Post by RicFoxx on Jan 26, 2015 16:10:33 GMT -6
Really makes me wish I didn't buy PT11 for $199 a month ago!
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 26, 2015 16:12:54 GMT -6
Are you buying from scratch or upgrading an earlier version?
If you are already on 11, just hold off until you see a feature you want in 12 and then enroll in 12 additional months of support and upgrades from that point. Support consists of one phone call a month or more if they deem it appropriate and unlimited internet responses within 4 hours. HD users get unlimited phone support.
If you are upgrading to 11, the 12 months of upgrades begins at that point.
If you don't own Pro Tools, rental is cheaper than buying until 7 years into the support plans.
The upgrades from the support plans are permanent. Rental goes away if you stop paying and starts again when you do. Thanx B, where are you getting this info? i signed into my PT account again thinking i may find some concise info after everyone yelled at them at NAMM? but no, it's still utter BS trying to figure all this out on their own website smh... |
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Post by mulmany on Jan 26, 2015 17:29:21 GMT -6
If you look at how the prices are laid out in the store it makes more sense. There is still info missing.
My question, do you still get 10 with 11? My laptop can't run 11 but it can run 10. I use the laptop for my location gigs.
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Post by adogg4629 on Jan 26, 2015 17:36:49 GMT -6
If you own 11 we have until dec 2016 to decide Pt xpert had already compared 12 to 11 not big differences just cloud junk Unless your clients are on pt cloud how do you benefit ? I do audio post work, so PTHD is pretty much my bread and butter. I could just to Nuendo, but the buy in is on par with getting an HD Native card and PTHD. The feeling is that I'd be trading in one closed system for another. Then there is the fact that finding people to handle DX, SFX, design edits would be supremely difficult as there are so few people I know in this field who are as capable with Nuendo as they are with PTHD. I really only know one person near me and he is just an assist. Then there is the template design (which I would personally not look forward to doing) and the simple fact that I can't double click a region and have an automation lift for that clip ready to go with just a flick of the mouse (PT's muliti-tool is an editor's dream). If I want to drop about three times as much as I would on a PTHD or Nuendo system I could go with fairlight, but that brings a whole slew of other problems to the mix. All of that being totally true for me, I still have to side with most on this board. Other that a bunch of stuff I don't use, what does PTHD12 bring to me and my workflow? The sad reality is that unless I plan on paying a premium of business grade bandwidth for me and everybody I use on projects, I'm not seeing the collaboration being an attractive enough gem for me to get excited about. Maybe when the bandwidth gets better I'll sing a different tune, but until then I'm still baffled at Avid. AD P.S. to add insult to injury here, Media Composer 8 has this same update plan as PTHD. Their yearly fee is only $299. Why is PTHD getting screwed on this? AD |
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Post by ericn on Jan 26, 2015 17:38:17 GMT -6
If you look at how the prices are laid out in the store it makes more sense. There is still info missing. My question, do you still get 10 with 11? My laptop can't run 11 but it can run 10. I use the laptop for my location gigs. If you do it before 12 is released yes you get 12! What sucks is this is great if your on 9 you will be updated through at least 12 if your on 8 or older your SOL would have been cool to at least get us legacy guys up to 10 and have lic for 11 and 12 which might have been the insentive to upgrade ! |
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Post by adogg4629 on Jan 26, 2015 17:38:32 GMT -6
If you look at how the prices are laid out in the store it makes more sense. There is still info missing. My question, do you still get 10 with 11? My laptop can't run 11 but it can run 10. I use the laptop for my location gigs. I have seen new purchases of PTHD11 include a license of PTHD10. AD |
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Post by adogg4629 on Jan 26, 2015 17:39:12 GMT -6
If you look at how the prices are laid out in the store it makes more sense. There is still info missing. My question, do you still get 10 with 11? My laptop can't run 11 but it can run 10. I use the laptop for my location gigs. If you do it before 12 is released yes you get 12! What sucks is this is great if your on 9 you will be updated through at least 12 if your on 8 or older your SOL would have been cool to at least get us legacy guys up to 10 and have lic for 11 and 12 which might have been the insentive to upgrade ! Agreed. |
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Post by ericn on Jan 26, 2015 17:39:14 GMT -6
I ment you get 10 11 then 12!
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 26, 2015 18:15:32 GMT -6
Careful i saw a reference to 12 either deleting 10 or uninstalling it better tread carefully if you need 10 for certain plug ins.
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Post by mulmany on Jan 26, 2015 18:29:18 GMT -6
If you look at how the prices are laid out in the store it makes more sense. There is still info missing. My question, do you still get 10 with 11? My laptop can't run 11 but it can run 10. I use the laptop for my location gigs. If you do it before 12 is released yes you get 12! What sucks is this is great if your on 9 you will be updated through at least 12 if your on 8 or older your SOL would have been cool to at least get us legacy guys up to 10 and have lic for 11 and 12 which might have been the insentive to upgrade ! Yeah I am still on 9 w/ CTK so been thinking of just making the jump to HD even if I dont have the hardware yet. I could not find any reference to 10 in any of the new lit. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jan 26, 2015 18:31:44 GMT -6
Something people are missing is that 12 is not a fixed block of new features like new versions have been in the past. They say they will be adding a few new features at a time over the course of each year rather than saving everything up for a giant upgrade every few years. This is why it's being sold as a years worth of upgrades. The support means they'll find out about any bugs they missed immediately and be able to fix them much faster than waiting to hear from dealers or corporate users. Their support people also have the capability of troubleshooting and repairing people's systems remotely. Corporations have been using this service for years but now they are putting everybody on it.
What twelve is this month is not what it will be in three months or three months after that. That's why I suggest that 11 owners wait until they see something they want in 12 before signing on.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 26, 2015 18:42:17 GMT -6
Yes that's good advice: let the dust settle and see.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jan 26, 2015 20:04:25 GMT -6
The main thing to me is why should I start the taxi meter running before there's something new I really want?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 26, 2015 20:16:26 GMT -6
good or insidious ? so a couple of hours ago i posted a comment on facebook on a pro tools thread about there being bugs in 11, i.e., my codecs have never worked and to fix this 5 minutes ago I get an unsolicited support email from avid who have started a support request for me and they quote the facebook comment ? good or insidious ? big bro may not be watching but big avid is So I asked them since I did not subscribe to the new service is there would be a charge for this support help ? they just emailed me back !? |
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Post by ericn on Jan 26, 2015 20:45:50 GMT -6
good or insidious ? so a couple of hours ago i posted a comment on facebook on a pro tools thread about there being bugs in 11, i.e., my codecs have never worked and to fix this 5 minutes ago I get an unsolicited support email from avid who have started a support request for me and they quote the facebook comment ? good or insidious ? big bro may not be watching but big avid is So I asked them since I did not subscribe to the new service is there would be a charge for this support help ? they just emailed me back !? Well people have always complained about AVID not listening Now they are! Invite them over here it might be fun. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 26, 2015 20:55:12 GMT -6
being bitchy on the net seems to work I don't know about nice |
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apollo , console 2, ua plugs , svarts box: i'm rockin !
