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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 3, 2015 13:22:41 GMT -6
Small sidenote, the mentioned behaviour is not common among us germanic people... ;-) Sorry if it came off harsh, but there are people investigating transformer winding techniques, buying machines, reading books, investigating lam materials, buying and analyzing NOS ones, and winding transformers. Even if it takes a decade to do this. And there are people claiming this is near impossible. For decades. This is what annoys me. And no, this is by no means "scientific". right on! and for what it's worth, nothing (of what i linked) stated by klaus remotely resembled science,,, it was mostly hearsay or assumption considering he never heard an MK, which is ironic considering he was accusing kidvibes of using it?? Pot meet kettle 8)
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Post by ericn on Feb 3, 2015 13:35:52 GMT -6
The biggest limitation today to historic correct mics is that we no longer wish to indulge in processes that we now know will at some point kill people, that is I'm not saying what we are doing now won't result in us killing people we just have not excepted that current methods will kill people.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 3, 2015 14:05:03 GMT -6
Tony said, "On a side note, i talked to winetree, we're going to do a big ole mic shootout sooner than later(it will include MKU47's and original serial#38 Neumann U47) I say, ooh, ahh.. can't wait, and thanks in advance.
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Post by drbill on Feb 3, 2015 14:08:30 GMT -6
Small sidenote, the mentioned behaviour is not common among us germanic people... ;-) Ha! :-) Understood, and I didn't mean anything offensive. I should have said "cartoon stereotypical". :-) bp
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Post by category5 on Feb 3, 2015 16:28:13 GMT -6
Looking great Tony. That's a fun and tedious build eh? I just sent kcats out today. Wanted to rebuild the PSU to make sure it was 100% safe. I have to say he got it pretty darn close with both the mic and psu. For a brand new diy guy he surely has the balls.
John's mic looks great. You're like me with attention to every detail. It does make a difference especially where reliability is concerned. I'll bet the list is long of folks ready to buy it if he doesn't like it. Not a chance though. I'll bet he names it "my precious".
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 3, 2015 16:44:51 GMT -6
cat5 you are a scream, posting here you sent my mike and psu: the best thing about cojones and diy is having a pal like you to really nail the build!
Thx so much: been working on a little special thx package of my own !
So, looking forward to trying this great mike after reading so much about it and hearing cowboy's and Cat5's clips !
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 3, 2015 16:54:02 GMT -6
Looking great Tony. That's a fun and tedious build eh? I just sent kcats out today. Wanted to rebuild the PSU to make sure it was 100% safe. I have to say he got it pretty darn close with both the mic and psu. For a brand new diy guy he surely has the balls. John's mic looks great. You're like me with attention to every detail. It does make a difference especially where reliability is concerned. I'll bet the list is long of folks ready to buy it if he doesn't like it. Not a chance though. I'll bet he names it "my precious". Thanx Cat, yeah, a little attention to the small things prevents mistakes as it slows your roll, and keeps things running well longer i've found. Congrats on finishing kcats albatros lol, he's gonna flip on it! Curious, what was the fatal mistake on kcats rather brave 1st timers build? Maybe it'll serve as a heads up for others?
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 3, 2015 17:17:18 GMT -6
Q: "what was the fatal mistake on kcats rather brave 1st timers build? Maybe it'll serve as a heads up for others?" A: Not sending it to cat5 and or Tony in the first place !
seriously, I had it working at first but my BIG mistake, was testing the build improperly and I probably fried my tubes, rushed my sockets and probably opened them up too much and I know that once Cat5 had the hi-z top opened up I think he just rewired it all.
anyway my mike has travelled the world more than I have, if it gets lost getting here, I will friggin scream !!!!
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Post by category5 on Feb 3, 2015 18:19:38 GMT -6
Looking great Tony. That's a fun and tedious build eh? I just sent kcats out today. Wanted to rebuild the PSU to make sure it was 100% safe. I have to say he got it pretty darn close with both the mic and psu. For a brand new diy guy he surely has the balls. John's mic looks great. You're like me with attention to every detail. It does make a difference especially where reliability is concerned. I'll bet the list is long of folks ready to buy it if he doesn't like it. Not a chance though. I'll bet he names it "my precious". Thanx Cat, yeah, a little attention to the small things prevents mistakes as it slows your roll, and keeps things running well longer i've found. Congrats on finishing kcats albatros lol, he's gonna flip on it! Curious, what was the fatal mistake on kcats rather brave 1st timers build? Maybe it'll serve as a heads up for others? It's the teflon stand-offs. I guess there is some sort of residue on them and even after a thorough cleaning with isopropyl alcohol solder isn't really too excited to stick very well. A little flux paste is all it takes to get things moving along, but if you're using thin no-clean solder the flux in the core just isn't enough to clean the part. He also overdid the loosening on the tube sockets so the tubes were flopping around loosely. i replaced those, rewired everything and mounted/wired the capsule and the mic was essentially there. The dropper resistor wasn't tightly fixed to the bell so wouldn't have gotten any heat transfer out of the mic but that didn't prevent things from working. The PSU was a little messier. I replaced the mis-matched 10W resistors with the values I told you about. the board was pretty worked over from swapping parts out, but Zayance's boards are THAT good so it still works fine. The stabd-off for the PCB were a little short so that the board was nearly making contact with the choke underneath. That would have been BAD. I raised it 1/4" and replaced/re-soldered all of the wires with new silver/tef. I like to get a good solid ground connection with the enclosure too so I made a new ground point and removed enough powder-coat underneath to get good contact with the chassis. The XLRs were pretty worked over too so I cleaned and re-did those, using heat shrink on the connections for extra strength. The PSU is solid now, and I mistakenly wired up a blue LED to the front panel and decided to leave it since it looked so cool. kcat's mic is a gem now indeed. You will have it Monday Matt!
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 3, 2015 18:42:51 GMT -6
With a last name like mine:a blue light sounds serrindipitous ! How intuitively thoughtful !
I was worried in trying to diagnose things I probably did more harm than good: enter Cat5: batting clean up !
Interesting, what you say about the teflon parts cus as you know I couldn't get continuity with the cap which made no sense to me.
The devil's in the details and so its clear: my problems were of my own making : the parts and build information are first rate and the quality of Max's kit shines through in every clip I hear.
for you guys looking for a quality builder stateside : you don't have to look farther than our thread pal cat5 ! and I understand my 47 is riding some sweet nos WE tubes: he thinks of everything !
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 4, 2015 16:12:46 GMT -6
So - does anyone have an extra M7 Capsule mount I can buy? Just trying to avoid waiting three weeks for shipping from Thiersch or Flea.
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Post by kidvybes on Feb 4, 2015 17:56:37 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 4, 2015 18:40:33 GMT -6
Saw all of those...the AMI one doesn't come with screws and they won't pick up their phone. The LeWison wasn't the right fit...but I think we've come to a solution.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 4, 2015 18:40:38 GMT -6
thanks, btw
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 4, 2015 19:06:01 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 4, 2015 20:18:15 GMT -6
nice clean build Tony !
the 47 was my second build after the c12 and when cat5 mentioned about the teflon, I remembered that I thought the solder seemed strange,then I couldn't get continuity when installing the cap, then I damaged the cap and the rest is history.
But every build is a learning opportunity and now I know how to fully test for continuity ( thx to cat5) and the teflon pin trick and my mike shows up Monday; so alls well that ends well !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 4:52:22 GMT -6
Last time i built a mic i re-used the teflon pins from very cheap small chinese condenser mic. Often these come with 1 GOhm resistors as well, nice to keep when you slaughter one of them for electronic parts and hardware...
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 10, 2015 22:27:31 GMT -6
B+105vdc 8) One big step ahead, I'm having an issue with the power "on" led not coming on? But I'll figure that out. Nice having the dummy mic load on a switch! Always trips me out without the load switch engaged reading 346vdc!!!!! It will smack u down if u get hit by it, the caps hang on to that juice for a loooooong time after u shut it down. Attachment Deleted
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 11, 2015 11:50:17 GMT -6
hey category5 do you tap both of the led's on dans psu off the zayance board? I taped the rear led from the iec connector to light when its plugged in at all, and the front comes on with the power toggle in the on position, i achieve the proper 105 B+ no problem so doesn't seem a problem, can you think of a reason this is a bad idea? i'm kinda second guessing my logic here. to be clear, the logic is that the rear led stays lit to let you know the PSU is plugged in regardless to whether it's powered up or not. thanx man T
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Post by category5 on Feb 11, 2015 15:41:41 GMT -6
The front LED is wired to the PCB and indicates the psu is outputting current. Obviously it can still be lit with the psu unplugged or off, indicating it is not safe to connect or disconnect the mic yet. The rear light is wired to the IEC and switch, indicating the unit is on and receiving AC power. Keep in mind the front LED is a 3VDC part but the rear one needs to be a 110VAC part. If you're using the same LED in the back as you are in the front there's your issue.
I doubt it'd be a problem running 2 off the PCB. Matador said something about it drawing too much current but it made absolutely no sense to me at all since the volts are so low. Different tubes would account for a greater variance in wattage than a second LED. Of course you'd be losing the purpose of the rear LED which is to indicate the presence/condition of the wall power and fuse.
The LED is really there to drain the caps after turning the supply off btw, and 2 would do it quicker.
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Post by drew571 on Feb 11, 2015 21:12:05 GMT -6
So - does anyone have an extra M7 Capsule mount I can buy? Just trying to avoid waiting three weeks for shipping from Thiersch or Flea. i'm at 5 weeks with Thiersch so consider yourself blessed.
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 11, 2015 22:55:36 GMT -6
so i just put myself through the ringer with this PSU, i was getting all kinds of weird voltages everywhere, and i was racking my peanut trying to figure it out.... Damn surge protector!!! Everything works fine and reads wrong, very uncool lol. I managed to fry an led in the process... doh!
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 11, 2015 23:29:50 GMT -6
So it was the surge protector?
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 11, 2015 23:48:17 GMT -6
So it was the surge protector? yeah, it was giving me readings of 60v on the primaries instead of 120, even though the B+105 voltage was correct at the mic, but you still don't ever want to plug a mic into anything until the system makes perfect sense in your head. There are some sort of center tap thingys in the surge protectors that will give you false readings. After much head scratching, I plugged into a straight wall outlet, and everything read perfect. The power supply also works perfect plugged into the surge protector, it just reads funny, i would probably never use one when recording. I'm going to pick up a more robust pair of led's for this, the housings with the ones i got from mouser are shit..smh. Should be about $6.00 or so. What color do you want JK? i think blue looks cool, i have that in my MK47 PSU. I think red, yellow, orange, green, blue, and white are all available. You could always go with a jewel lamp! that would be the bomb. btw, the original leds were about $0.30 each.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 11, 2015 23:59:43 GMT -6
I'm all for Jewels...blue or red...or green
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