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Post by LesC on Jul 31, 2013 12:04:32 GMT -6
I would suggest taking the high road, and let whoever wants to participate do so. If they are doing something on this site to try to subvert it, do something about it at that time. An attempt at pre-emptive avoidance of possibly subvertive members, with constant harping about what Gearslutz is doing, will probably turn some potential participants off. Civil discourse and lack of political bullshit could actually be the hallmark of this site.
I may be naive, but I think the majority of Gearslutz moderators are decent people, spending a lot of their time helping people even in situations where they don't enjoy personal gain. Just like you're doing, John, and I really appreciate that. Maybe their participation here will attract more members, by beginning to eliminate the "them" vs. "us" vibe that currently exists. That vibe will have to change as this site matures and grows.
On a related tangent, one of the things I detest about Gearslutz is that somebody will weigh in with an extremely negative comment, completely uncalled for, and then there are 30 pages of back and forth personal insults. Why not just ignore the negative comment (assuming it's unjustified) and pretend it's not there, then continue the discussion? There are enough unpleasant things in life without the addition of internet rage.
Anyway, that's my 2 cents. In Canada, we've eliminated the penny, so 2 cents would be rounded down to zero. By pure coincidence, that's generally the value of my advice.
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Post by IamJohnGalt on Jul 31, 2013 13:15:03 GMT -6
This is going to be interesting John...I really like the concept. Thanks for making the effort.
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Post by scumbum on Jul 31, 2013 15:45:36 GMT -6
Well this is what I don't get , they Ban us from Gearslutz because they don't want us posting there , but then they join over here because they want to hang out with us and post in threads with us  ?? That doesn't make any sense . If they want to participate on a forum with us , why were we banned from GS in the first place ?? See what I'm saying ?? Its like getting a divorce from your wife and then wanting to hang out with her everyday ? That doesn't make sense ?? Didn't you divorce her because you didn't want her company , so then why after you divorce her , do you want to hang out with her everyday ? If they want to post in threads with us why are we banned from GS ? |
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Post by scumbum on Jul 31, 2013 16:04:10 GMT -6
Like take me for example ,
The mods over there banned me for inviting people to come join this forum . Then right after they ban me , they come join themselves ??
GearSlutz Mod = "What you did was bad , I'm banning you................... by the way thanks for the invite , I'll see you over there , looks like a cool forum. "
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Post by LesC on Jul 31, 2013 16:12:35 GMT -6
Hi scum, I just finished reading all the Gearslutz posts about the CAPI stuff (it took days), you made a lot of great contributions!
Are you saying the same mod who banned you joined this forum? If so, that's actually hilarious.
I think some of the GS moderators are complete self-serving assholes, but I think many of them are OK. Why punish all their mods because of the stupid actions of a few?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 31, 2013 16:21:12 GMT -6
You know, I'm not a paranoid (why did somebody tell you I was paranoid?), but I just question the motives. I mean, why would they want to come here?
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Post by LesC on Jul 31, 2013 16:48:04 GMT -6
John, maybe I'm misunderstanding what a GS mod is. I just assumed that they were GS members who were selected after making a fair number of reasonably informative posts, or were known to be well-thought of in the industry. As such, I think most of them are interested in music and recording. There are several good forums about these subjects, including this one, why wouldn't they want to participate in other forums as well? You're the administrator here, should you be viewed with suspicion if you join other forums? I hope not!
Maybe some GS mods do want to come here for reasons that are subterfugorifical (if that's not a word, it should be!). But I would imagine that some would want to come here to participate in another forum about stuff they enjoy reading and talking about. If I would ever be knowledgeable enough to moderate a forum, which won't happen in this lifetime, I would hope that I could still participate in other forums as well.
I'm a full-time college professor, but I often give lectures and participate at other colleges. I have no intention of any kind of subterfuge, nor have I ever been accused of that, though everyone knows where my primary allegiance is.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 31, 2013 16:52:28 GMT -6
They may want to contribute somewhere without having to wear their gs mod hat.
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Post by scumbum on Jul 31, 2013 17:29:54 GMT -6
Hi scum, I just finished reading all the Gearslutz posts about the CAPI stuff (it took days), you made a lot of great contributions! Are you saying the same mod who banned you joined this forum? If so, that's actually hilarious. I think some of the GS moderators are complete self-serving assholes, but I think many of them are OK. Why punish all their mods because of the stupid actions of a few? I don't know who banned me . It just says : "Your permission to post has been suspended. Reason: Spamming Via PM Date the ban will be lifted: 29th July 2014, 04:00 PM" But in Tonycamps case , the Mods met as a group and they ALL decided to ban him forever . So they ban Tonycamp , and then come over here to hang out with him . Its just such a weird situation . If its so great over there and we are so bad , why even come over here ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2013 18:14:38 GMT -6
I agree with scum.
I vote no GS mods. Right now it is just not appropriate.
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Post by levon on Jul 31, 2013 23:50:17 GMT -6
I agree with scum. I vote no GS mods. Right now it is just not appropriate. I can see all your points, pros and cons. I agree that motives are sometimes questionable, especially when someone joins and never posts anything. I fully get scum's point about 'why would they ban someone only to join another forum where they can discuss stuff with him?'. And there's a bunch of GS mods I'd rather not see here. But there's at least one GS mod that I would like to have here. He seems to be a stand-up guy, is very passionate about his music and craft and I admit I like his attitude. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2013 3:02:23 GMT -6
James Lugo? (dude)
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Post by ionian on Aug 1, 2013 3:58:43 GMT -6
If they want to ban me there because I participate here, so be it. Personally I see no reason for it. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt because lurking here to ban people at GS makes no sense to me. They already chased away a good number of knowledgeable members. They really want to ban the rest of us? Then again I get the feeling that GS would like nothing more than a forum full of newbies screaming "Take my money!" at all the pimps that post there.
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Frank
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Post by lolo on Aug 1, 2013 6:30:57 GMT -6
Would be cool to get James Lugo here indeed Also where is drBill? ?? |
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Post by levon on Aug 1, 2013 7:12:30 GMT -6
 Good guess...
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Post by paulhunt on Aug 2, 2013 19:16:52 GMT -6
Hi All. First post! Came here after a pointer from Jeff. I think this board will be a great place to hang out. I'm just a little player with a small budget. I therefore prefer to direct my business away from the big names and support guys like JLM Audio and Classic Audio Products of Illinois. These are guys who are passionate about music, audio technology and caring for their customers. This, to me, is what high end is about, not some arbitrary glass ceiling based on price or on the vested interests of magazine editors or internet forum admins/moderators (cough, cough). Looks like some cool folk have signed up, and I am glad to see that Ethan Winer is here to smack down any pseudo-science  I think that between this board and GroupDIY, my needs are covered! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2013 20:49:47 GMT -6
Well, for that GS moderator thing...
my thoughts are - i never heard anything negative about George Necola. I know he is also on the GroupDIY forum with a friendly and contributive attitude for a long time. He registered here with his real name. What harm could that be?
Having restrictive rules that seem draconic, or generalized in an unfriendly way, well - i guess this is more typical for GS than for this forum. Right now, i am not banned at GS still, i guess because i did not "fish" for this forum over there, lol.
I find the "non-fishing", "not mentioning", blabla policy over there ridiculous.
But if a mod from there really wants to participate here - isn't that a sign, that even a GS mod might not be too happy with all that stuff happening over there, maybe looking for alternative forae to participate?
I guess these probably rare occasions, when a GS mod might want to register and participate here could be handled really on a case-by-case basis.
Anyone who supports this overdoze banning stuff over there would not come over here, really, thinking he could do any harm or just playing wolf in sheeps clothes, right? Well, and if, not under his real name - this would be very naive...
Just my 2 cents.
Best regards,
Martin
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2013 20:57:49 GMT -6
Anyway,
i appreciate the fact, that this case is in an open, factual, diverse and no-nonsense discussion.
That is the kind of spirit i like.
Best regards,
Martin
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Post by scumbum on Aug 2, 2013 21:03:17 GMT -6
Anyway, i appreciate the fact, that this case is in an open, factual, diverse and no-nonsense discussion. That is the kind of spirit i like. Best regards, Martin Thats it !! Will someone ban smallbutfine , hes crossed the line !!!!!! HA.......just kidding . You do make a very good point . If the GS Mod registers with his real name , maybe his motives are ok , because it would be much easier to hide under another name if he was up to no good . |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2013 21:15:58 GMT -6
LOL. "That is the kind of spirit i like." I knew that line would break my neck! Inappropriate promotion of hard liquors. Guilty. Damn.  |
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Post by scumbum on Aug 2, 2013 21:46:55 GMT -6
Except for Tony Belmont , He'd register secretly under the username "adolf hitler" , and that would easily give away his secret identity . I'd be like , "Hey thats Tony !!" and Tony would be like "Damn they figured me out ."  |
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 3, 2013 1:04:02 GMT -6
I believe Tony belmonte is here, why he would WANT to be here is beyond me? it does not compute...  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 3, 2013 8:26:27 GMT -6
No one is banned or disabled...I figure there's no reason to be paranoid - if they want to do something to subvert the site, at least we will go down with integrity...
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Post by bentley on Aug 3, 2013 16:07:37 GMT -6
Followed the trail of breadcrumbs from the Moan Zone via GS. Hope you don't mind if I hang out even though I usually spend time in the electronic music section.
Johnkenn, I don't quite get the whole classifieds can't sell "unused" items either. I voiced a concern over the issue once before and received a very unfriendly reply from Jules on the matter. It really put me off as I chose my words carefully and respectfully. Not sure why they have such a bug up their asses about something so trivial. It's quite easy to see if someone is using the classifieds as a virtual storefront to move new equipment which is what he's trying to avoid. Sorry... just had to vent a sec...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2013 13:04:53 GMT -6
I did get a PM from Psycho_monkey today regarding the posting of this forum on there site. I am not going to repost it, I was asked not to and had it come from Jules I think I would have been much more inclined to simply paste it here. There are some good mods on Gearslutz but they all answer to a person who has some very odd views. I personally don't understand how he can post a link to his new forum when he has a rule stating that doing so isn't allowed.
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Good guess...
