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Post by just_another_annonymous_guy on Jul 30, 2013 18:04:16 GMT -6
Interested, but have a few reservations including some of the draconian terms of service. Why does this forum allow all members to your private email and own all content? And who pics the moderators?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 30, 2013 18:18:44 GMT -6
Draconian? This is your first post as a guest?
Anyone can hide their email by clicking on their name, edit profile, privacy and then choose the option they so desire...
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Post by just_another_annonymous_guy on Jul 30, 2013 18:33:07 GMT -6
Johnkenn - have you read the terms of service for freeforums.net? I mean seriously read and analyzed them? Have you had your attorney analyze them before starting the forum? I'm guessing no.
Feel free to stop me from posting if you like, but it's kind of a snide remark to make towards a potential new member seeking clarification isn't it? Still, feel free to do so - it's your party - but you'll loose another potential member.
Who owns posted material? Freeforums. That will stop me from posting proprietary information here.
Who can access my private email? Freeforums, along with any member. At least that's what their TOS says, despite your explanation. If so, that will loose another potential member - me.
Who pics moderators? I'm guessing you, but you didn't answer that question.
SINCERELY investigating,
just_another_annonymous_guy
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 30, 2013 18:43:49 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 30, 2013 18:52:37 GMT -6
And btw - I picked the moderators.
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Post by just_another_annonymous_guy on Jul 30, 2013 18:54:58 GMT -6
Of course you don't know who I am - that's the point of my posting as a guest. The reason being? I'm not SURE yet if I want to be a member. That's a straightforward and honest answer on my part, and seems pretty reasonable to me. I think you're taking it a bit suspiciously. Thanks for the link on copyright - I'll read and ponder when I have a little more time, but I am not a newbie when it comes to copyright, and I'm not sure why you posted that for me. But more on point, do you care to answer any of my other questions? It's OK if you don't. Kind of helps me make up my mind. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 30, 2013 19:07:24 GMT -6
I believe I answered both of your other questions. And I am reviewing the TOS now.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 30, 2013 19:15:34 GMT -6
I apologize if I came off rudely...Their phrasing IS draconian...I'm emailing their support now. Thanks for the heads up.
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Post by matt on Jul 30, 2013 20:26:05 GMT -6
And btw - I picked the moderators. And wisely, IMHO. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 30, 2013 21:37:51 GMT -6
Just to update this:
After reading the "User Content" section of the Terms Of Service, Anonymous Guy was correct in that it is worded rather poorly. So, I had a conversation with Patrick Clinger, the President and CEO of Proboards.com. I addressed my concerns with the language used in that section. I informed him that this was a board for musicians and songwriters who will frequently post their own copyrighted material. Here is his response:
"We get a license to use the content you post. The way we use this license is things like displaying your posts on your forum, the ability to browse your forum using our mobile app, etc.You completely own your content, not us. We do not claim ownership. It's yours."
Every site you post on has a TOS that you agree to that gives them the permission to use your content. For instance, Facebook has this wording in their TOS -
"For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP License)."
Just like on Gearslutz, when you post your data, attachments, etc., you are giving the host the right to use the information with THIS caveat - USE USER CONTENT IN CONNECTION WITH THE OPERATION OF THE WEBSITE. So - they can't use this information anywhere outside of this website.
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Post by just_another_annonymous_guy on Jul 30, 2013 23:21:15 GMT -6
Thanks for the clarification johnkenn. I appreciate your effort. For me to post anything musical, I'd need to SEE (ie: it's in their TOS, not stated casually in a conversation) something along the lines of the Facebook wording. There are so many ways to word and lay this out, and many are very scary. Others completely benign. I mean, this is an audio / music forum. That is critical in my opinion and for whatever it's worth, I'd work towards having them rework and add that into their TOS. It's not very user friendly, and probably drawn by some lawyer trying to cover their asses every which way from here to eternity. I have ended up in too many contracts that had casual wording and a handshake that later came to haunt me. I'm not interested in revisiting anytime soon. I'll check back in on their TOS later. just_another_annonymous_guy
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2013 3:06:34 GMT -6
Johnkenn - have you read the terms of service for freeforums.net? I mean seriously read and analyzed them? Have you had your attorney analyze them before starting the forum? I'm guessing no. Feel free to stop me from posting if you like, but it's kind of a snide remark to make towards a potential new member seeking clarification isn't it? Still, feel free to do so - it's your party - but you'll loose another potential member. Who owns posted material? Freeforums. That will stop me from posting proprietary information here. Who can access my private email? Freeforums, along with any member. At least that's what their TOS says, despite your explanation. If so, that will loose another potential member - me. Who pics moderators? I'm guessing you, but you didn't answer that question. SINCERELY investigating, just_another_annonymous_guy Although you may be making some valid points, I have yet to see any post on this forum with such an aggressive tone - the sort that is de rigueur on 'the other forum'. Disappointing. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 31, 2013 6:30:48 GMT -6
Johnkenn - have you read the terms of service for freeforums.net? I mean seriously read and analyzed them? Have you had your attorney analyze them before starting the forum? I'm guessing no. Feel free to stop me from posting if you like, but it's kind of a snide remark to make towards a potential new member seeking clarification isn't it? Still, feel free to do so - it's your party - but you'll loose another potential member. Who owns posted material? Freeforums. That will stop me from posting proprietary information here. Who can access my private email? Freeforums, along with any member. At least that's what their TOS says, despite your explanation. If so, that will loose another potential member - me. Who pics moderators? I'm guessing you, but you didn't answer that question. SINCERELY investigating, just_another_annonymous_guy Although you may be making some valid points, I have yet to see any post on this forum with such an aggressive tone - the sort that is de rigueur on 'the other forum'. Disappointing. I agree...the whole thing was odd. Like he was trying to "catch" me in something. I'm pledging to live a less paranoid life...I did learn a lesson through this - even if you're having a bad day, don't post like a smartass. I realize I came off kinda like a GS mod with my initial response. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 31, 2013 8:04:11 GMT -6
Switzerland, Winterthur... where the banks grow. I'm sure George is a nice guy - and I appreciate him signing up with his real name - but I just think it's too soon for a Gearslutz moderator to be on this board. I just don't really see what the point is...I've disabled his account. Why would they want to be here? |
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Post by matt on Jul 31, 2013 8:20:13 GMT -6
Switzerland, Winterthur... where the banks grow. I'm sure George is a nice guy - and I appreciate him signing up with his real name - but I just think it's too soon for a Gearslutz moderator to be on this board. I just don't really see what the point is...I've disabled his account. Why would they want to be here? Perhaps he is not happy with the current state of GS. It might be interesting to see what he has to say. |
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Post by gouge on Jul 31, 2013 8:43:23 GMT -6
I understand your point john but is that the bestest possible outcome. live and let live. you're doing exactly what they did to you and the many many others.
that's my 2c anyways.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 31, 2013 8:59:24 GMT -6
I don't really have any written in stone policy here...you guys can change my mind...but I just don't see any reason he should be here...or why he'd want to be...
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 31, 2013 9:05:15 GMT -6
The same reason that we want to be. Cool people and useful info.
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Post by gouge on Jul 31, 2013 9:06:40 GMT -6
well it's your call. you're the admin.
if it were me i'd be the better man and not judge a book by it's cover but more the content within.
it is kinda verging on hypocritical in my eyes.
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Post by matt on Jul 31, 2013 9:16:50 GMT -6
you're doing exactly what they did to you and the many many others. Respectfully, I have to disagree. When JK was banned on GS, he was acting as an individual, on his own behalf. On the other hand, George, or any other active GS moderator, comes to RGO effectively representing GS. And since GS has shown a number of retribution-style actions against JK and other RGO members, and to advertisers on RGO, it is prudent to assume that GS moderators come here with an agenda. Whether that is true is up to the particular GS mod, who should have to explain themselves to the administrator. IMHO. Is there a way to make certain membership requests "provisional"? IE: you see a new user, like George, and you put him/her in some sort of "pending" status while they explain their membership request. I know that adds yet another level of bureaucracy, and probably is not worth the time. But some online boards function this way. |
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Post by gouge on Jul 31, 2013 9:34:47 GMT -6
I don't see how they could achieve anything agenda based. they have no authority here.
anyways,
my backyard
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Post by matt on Jul 31, 2013 10:02:16 GMT -6
I don't see how they could achieve anything agenda based. they have no authority here. Correct, but GS mods have retaliated against RGO users and advertisers back on GS. Anyway, enough said. I like that backyard view! |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 31, 2013 10:11:04 GMT -6
Hi fellas, i think we should move this GS moderator talk over to "a little explanation" thread, this one is too cool to screw up with that whole mess. I'm going there now to post
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 31, 2013 10:19:16 GMT -6
I think there is a simple compromise, right now, a GS moderator is an active "censoring" participant, in an effort by Gearslutz to prevent people from finding out about this place??, John SHOULD let their moderators participate only when that campaign of ridiculousness has ended! and not a minute sooner.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 31, 2013 11:23:05 GMT -6
I've had an advertiser intimate they were a little gunshy about posting here because of possible backlash...
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