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Post by FM77 on Nov 11, 2024 6:27:52 GMT -6
Yeah. It’s weird. Not that this thread is like this, but sometimes I see stuff that’s either A) flat out incorrect or B) obvious that someone is talking out of their ass. What should be done about that? If you leave it, people are getting the same shitty advice they can get at Gearslutz. Or delete it and get called Hitler. It’s quite the conundrum. I think you just described the challenge of every major online platform in the world. It’s a big ol’ mess, no matter how you slice it. I have never stepped onto a stage or in a studio, in real time with other working professionals and witnessed anybody ridicule each others choices of gear and certainly never their hearing or ability. Outside of the internet, actual working musicians /engineers don't care what you use. Vintage, Modern, Relic etc. Nobody cares.
Appropriate tone, feel and chops for the gig is all that matters. Those are internet conversations/arguments only. As for the rest, 90% of the defensive nonsense online doesn't exist when you are face to face and can see facial expressions, voice tonality etc. Most musicians/engineering I know are very chill and everybody is just trying to get by, get through, and enjoy themselves.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 11, 2024 7:32:57 GMT -6
Geterdoneson !
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 11, 2024 10:06:50 GMT -6
I go back and forth…it would be $1200 for five years…I spent that buying 4 of the plugs in years past. Maybe the sub is the better deal. Because most likely there will be different options in 5 years. Is there an interface and CPU where the latency of playing an amp sim is sub < 1ms (or at least close to this) Even my new 13900K PC workstation with an RME RayDAT can’t achieve latency as low as this and still record at 48/24. (The Axe FX3 is < 1ms latency IIRC) That’s a big hurdle for me I’ve never got over, the feel of of sim simply isn’t immediate enough for me to get the feel of a physical amp. I have the same issue playing E drums, so I monitor the output of the Roland module as its sub < 1ms delay and post trigger Toontrack SDX’s. When I get my new Mac Book pro perhaps the M4 chip will have super low latency - I hope so and amp sims will have a better feel as I do very much enjoy using them when I’m songwriting and arranging. I realise we all have different thresholds for latency and for keyboards 5ms seems tolerable but for vocals, drums, bass and guitar any latency over 1ms is a big disrupter to feel for me. I’m not trying to convince you of anything. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 11, 2024 10:21:34 GMT -6
I think you just described the challenge of every major online platform in the world. It’s a big ol’ mess, no matter how you slice it. I have never stepped onto a stage or in a studio, in real time with other working professionals and witnessed anybody ridicule each others choices of gear and certainly never their hearing or ability. Outside of the internet, actual working musicians /engineers don't care what you use. Vintage, Modern, Relic etc. Nobody cares. Appropriate tone, feel and chops for the gig is all that matters. Those are internet conversations/arguments only. As for the rest, 90% of the defensive nonsense online doesn't exist when you are face to face and can see facial expressions, voice tonality etc. Most musicians/engineering I know are very chill and everybody is just trying to get by, get through, and enjoy themselves.
That’s true to a certain extent, but people just don’t say it to faces. I can guarantee you, if somebody walked in with a guitar with shitty intonation, everybody’s going to have something to say. If someone is a braggart that can’t back their shit up, they’re gonna get hammered… I don’t think it’s that musicians aren’t one way or another, it’s that most people don’t have the balls to say in person what they’d say online. But that’s just human nature. It’s not the internet’s fault. |
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Post by FM77 on Nov 11, 2024 10:49:59 GMT -6
I have never stepped onto a stage or in a studio, in real time with other working professionals and witnessed anybody ridicule each others choices of gear and certainly never their hearing or ability. Outside of the internet, actual working musicians /engineers don't care what you use. Vintage, Modern, Relic etc. Nobody cares. Appropriate tone, feel and chops for the gig is all that matters. Those are internet conversations/arguments only. As for the rest, 90% of the defensive nonsense online doesn't exist when you are face to face and can see facial expressions, voice tonality etc. Most musicians/engineering I know are very chill and everybody is just trying to get by, get through, and enjoy themselves.
That’s true to a certain extent, but people just don’t say it to faces. I can guarantee you, if somebody walked in with a guitar with shitty intonation, everybody’s going to have something to say. If someone is a braggart that can’t back their shit up, they’re gonna get hammered… I don’t think it’s that musicians aren’t one way or another, it’s that most people don’t have the balls to say in person what they’d say online. But that’s just human nature. It’s not the internet’s fault. Nah, the defining terms in my post are 'working professionals' and 'appropriate tone, feel and chops for the gig is all that matters'. That is a clear bottom line.
Shitty intonation doesn't exist in that scenario neither does bragging nor lack of skill for the gig. Not to mention, most musicians I know/gig with are level headed and stay their course.
As for people running their mouth, yeah it happens. I don't care. On occasion I am called to gig as a sub with musicians who bad mouth other musicians I know. I don't engage. I just know they probably do the same about me when they gig with others.
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Post by phantom on Nov 11, 2024 11:04:06 GMT -6
People won't engage in arguments in real life because that might burn bridges and make your work a lot harder.
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Post by Dan on Nov 11, 2024 11:13:36 GMT -6
People won't engage in arguments in real life because that might burn bridges and make your work a lot harder. They just will get someone to replay or reamp it behind their back. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Nov 11, 2024 17:00:47 GMT -6
I think you just described the challenge of every major online platform in the world. It’s a big ol’ mess, no matter how you slice it. I have never stepped onto a stage or in a studio, in real time with other working professionals and witnessed anybody ridicule each others choices of gear and certainly never their hearing or ability. Outside of the internet, actual working musicians /engineers don't care what you use. Vintage, Modern, Relic etc. Nobody cares.
Appropriate tone, feel and chops for the gig is all that matters. Those are internet conversations/arguments only. As for the rest, 90% of the defensive nonsense online doesn't exist when you are face to face and can see facial expressions, voice tonality etc. Most musicians/engineering I know are very chill and everybody is just trying to get by, get through, and enjoy themselves.
Well that's not totally true in my case. Someone once said my guitar looked like it was made out of plywood. But... I was 14. And he was 14 too. Haha So I've gotten over it and I think that was the last time anyone ever gave me a hard time about gear. (Also the guitar was mahogany. A Guild D16m that I bought used with my own money and still play. I doubt that dude still plays his Sigma.) EDIT: I realize 14 year olds aren't working professionals, at least not in this country! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 11, 2024 19:25:03 GMT -6
That’s true to a certain extent, but people just don’t say it to faces. I can guarantee you, if somebody walked in with a guitar with shitty intonation, everybody’s going to have something to say. If someone is a braggart that can’t back their shit up, they’re gonna get hammered… I don’t think it’s that musicians aren’t one way or another, it’s that most people don’t have the balls to say in person what they’d say online. But that’s just human nature. It’s not the internet’s fault. Nah, the defining terms in my post are 'working professionals' and 'appropriate tone, feel and chops for the gig is all that matters'. That is a clear bottom line.
Shitty intonation doesn't exist in that scenario neither does bragging nor lack of skill for the gig. Not to mention, most musicians I know/gig with are level headed and stay their course.
As for people running their mouth, yeah it happens. I don't care. On occasion I am called to gig as a sub with musicians who bad mouth other musicians I know. I don't engage. I just know they probably do the same about me when they gig with others.
👍🏻 Not going to argue with you. |
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Post by notneeson on Nov 11, 2024 19:29:06 GMT -6
Nah, the defining terms in my post are 'working professionals' and 'appropriate tone, feel and chops for the gig is all that matters'. That is a clear bottom line.
Shitty intonation doesn't exist in that scenario neither does bragging nor lack of skill for the gig. Not to mention, most musicians I know/gig with are level headed and stay their course.
As for people running their mouth, yeah it happens. I don't care. On occasion I am called to gig as a sub with musicians who bad mouth other musicians I know. I don't engage. I just know they probably do the same about me when they gig with others.
👍🏻 Not going to argue with you. Spoken like pro. |
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Post by russellcreekps on Nov 11, 2024 20:17:43 GMT -6
Poo poo, pee pee, kaka…just my 2 cents
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 11, 2024 21:25:55 GMT -6
Ah, so lion sounds like poo, ruby like pee and dream like ka ka ?  |
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Post by russellcreekps on Nov 12, 2024 7:44:47 GMT -6
Ah, so lion sounds like poo, ruby like pee and dream like ka ka ? Excellent translation! |
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Post by veggieryan on Nov 12, 2024 13:26:32 GMT -6
FYI: v1.0.1 update of these plugins has reduced the latency of Lion and Ruby....
v1.0.1 Release notes:
Topline Vocal Suite – Shift-click in navigation bar to toggle modules on/off
Topline Vocal Suite – Tuner pitch tracking is more consistent on sustained notes
Topline Vocal Suite – New Logic Pro sessions use correct key/scale defaults
Dream, Lion, Ruby – Input gain dB value is displayed when mouse is hovered over knob
Ruby – Resolved noises that could occur when changing presets, channel, and boost type
Dream – Output polarity now matches input polarity
Lion, Ruby – Latency is reduced at all sample rates
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Post by Quint on Nov 12, 2024 15:34:39 GMT -6
FYI: v1.0.1 update of these plugins has reduced the latency of Lion and Ruby.... v1.0.1 Release notes: Topline Vocal Suite – Shift-click in navigation bar to toggle modules on/off Topline Vocal Suite – Tuner pitch tracking is more consistent on sustained notes Topline Vocal Suite – New Logic Pro sessions use correct key/scale defaults Dream, Lion, Ruby – Input gain dB value is displayed when mouse is hovered over knob Ruby – Resolved noises that could occur when changing presets, channel, and boost type Dream – Output polarity now matches input polarity Lion, Ruby – Latency is reduced at all sample rates I'll be curious to hear what the latency was before and now after the reduction. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 12, 2024 16:00:58 GMT -6
He told us the before before .70-130 Ms, I think ?
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Post by veggieryan on Nov 12, 2024 16:22:23 GMT -6
You can check the latency of any plugin in most DAWs. At 96 khz I recall that Ruby was around 175 samples. It is now 82 samples so its quite an improvement.
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Post by phantom on Nov 12, 2024 16:22:40 GMT -6
FYI: v1.0.1 update of these plugins has reduced the latency of Lion and Ruby.... v1.0.1 Release notes: Topline Vocal Suite – Shift-click in navigation bar to toggle modules on/off Topline Vocal Suite – Tuner pitch tracking is more consistent on sustained notes Topline Vocal Suite – New Logic Pro sessions use correct key/scale defaults Dream, Lion, Ruby – Input gain dB value is displayed when mouse is hovered over knob Ruby – Resolved noises that could occur when changing presets, channel, and boost type Dream – Output polarity now matches input polarity Lion, Ruby – Latency is reduced at all sample rates I'll be curious to hear what the latency was before and now after the reduction. Lion and Ruby went from around 70 samples to around 35 samples. |
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Post by phantom on Nov 12, 2024 16:24:38 GMT -6
You can check the latency of any plugin in most DAWs. At 96 khz I recall that Ruby was around 175 samples. It is now 82 samples so its quite an improvement. Wait, what? I'm not getting this much latency in Pro Tools. I'll check it out when I'm back in the studio and report here. |
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Post by veggieryan on Nov 12, 2024 16:42:46 GMT -6
Thats because the latency changes depending on the sample rate you are using... I am at 96 khz...
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 12, 2024 18:21:48 GMT -6
Thats because the latency changes depending on the sample rate you are using... I am at 96 khz... I thought latency was less at higher sample rates? I stay in 48 so I couldn’t tell you… |
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Post by Quint on Nov 12, 2024 18:26:39 GMT -6
Thats because the latency changes depending on the sample rate you are using... I am at 96 khz... I thought latency was less at higher sample rates? I stay in 48 so I couldn’t tell you… You're not wrong. The problem is that UA has been ADDING samples of latency for higher sample rates on their native plugins. Why? Well, it makes you wonder, but there doesn't seem to be any particularly defensible reason for doing so... |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 13, 2024 19:03:20 GMT -6
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Post by veggieryan on Nov 13, 2024 19:51:19 GMT -6
Sounds killer.
What a time to be alive.
I can now play Deco, El Capistan and the UAFX amps all in the box.
UA: ready to buy the OX plugin now....
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 13, 2024 20:01:04 GMT -6
Sounds killer. What a time to be alive. I can now play Deco, El Capistan and the UAFX amps all in the box. UA: ready to buy the OX plugin now.... Yeah that would be cool to have an ir loader. I haven’t found that York or Ownhammer IRs particularly sound any better…haven’t tried a ton though. I’d be fine with the selections in the plugs. |
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