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Post by FM77 on Nov 9, 2024 8:28:30 GMT -6
We certainly have different filters John. Like I said, there is just nothing there. This the internet. A gear forum. I don’t ‘come in hot’ for any topic, any person, any scenario, not ever. It’s the… internet…. Just stating my observations, surprise and facts, take it or leave it to use your language. But nobody owes me an explanation. When I say all the best, again and again, I mean it everytime. Enjoy working native man, I hope it lights you up. Me, I have new custom built Amplified Nation head and cab that shipped this week to add to the amp pallete, ordered sometime back. Running with my Fryette Power Station or Boss Waza Craft. Running a small board into the front end or quadraverb into the effects loop. I run my primary pedal board, including tube preamps, into the AXE. Sound better or worse? Doesn't really matter, its immensely enjoyable. Do you have a Boss WAZA TAE? Yes.
Boss TAE, Fryette PS-2A, Fryette PS-100 and reluctantly the UA OX Box, despite my dislike of the company. It's too useful to let go. Beleive it or not, there is very little redundancy other than the Fryettes, but they have different uses.
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Post by phantom on Nov 9, 2024 8:37:20 GMT -6
For only Load Box uses, nothing beats Fractal X-Load.
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Post by FM77 on Nov 9, 2024 9:10:41 GMT -6
For only Load Box uses, nothing beats Fractal X-Load. Curious, what made you come to that conclusion? What did you pair it against?
How is that quantified for you?
I had one many years ago, it had a lot of limits for me. It sounded good on some sources, and super thin and fizzy on others. It is pretty low on my radar, but they are super cheap to get.
Thus far the Fryette is the most transparent, but the 6L6s get hot and my small room with tube amps can get really hot.
The PS does allow me to use a super low watt octal tube amp, Gibson EH-185 and lift the volume to gig levels. Otherwise it breaks up in a second.
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Post by phantom on Nov 9, 2024 11:37:00 GMT -6
For only Load Box uses, nothing beats Fractal X-Load. Curious, what made you come to that conclusion? What did you pair it against?
How is that quantified for you?
I had one many years ago, it had a lot of limits for me. It sounded good on some sources, and super thin and fizzy on others. It is pretty low on my radar, but they are super cheap to get.
Thus far the Fryette is the most transparent, but the 6L6s get hot and my small room with tube amps can get really hot.
The PS does allow me to use a super low watt octal tube amp, Gibson EH-185 and lift the volume to gig levels. Otherwise it breaks up in a second.
I have the x-load, captor x, suhr rl and I had the Fryette. X-load is by far the most neutral to me. Thin and fizzy? You have hearing problems, my friend. Never heard anyone saying that about the x-load. |
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Post by FM77 on Nov 9, 2024 12:25:46 GMT -6
Curious, what made you come to that conclusion? What did you pair it against?
How is that quantified for you?
I had one many years ago, it had a lot of limits for me. It sounded good on some sources, and super thin and fizzy on others. It is pretty low on my radar, but they are super cheap to get.
Thus far the Fryette is the most transparent, but the 6L6s get hot and my small room with tube amps can get really hot.
The PS does allow me to use a super low watt octal tube amp, Gibson EH-185 and lift the volume to gig levels. Otherwise it breaks up in a second.
I have the x-load, captor x, suhr rl and I had the Fryette. X-load is by far the most neutral to me. Thin and fizzy? You have hearing problems, my friend. Never heard anyone saying that about the x-load. I see. All the best man.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 9, 2024 12:38:32 GMT -6
I think like monitors, these types of differences suggest how we all hear differently, and how important demoing gear is to figure out what works for us sonically and for our workflow.
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Post by phantom on Nov 9, 2024 12:40:19 GMT -6
I have the x-load, captor x, suhr rl and I had the Fryette. X-load is by far the most neutral to me. Thin and fizzy? You have hearing problems, my friend. Never heard anyone saying that about the x-load. I see. All the best man.
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Post by FM77 on Nov 9, 2024 13:02:13 GMT -6
I think like monitors, these types of differences suggest how we all hear differently, and how important demoing gear is to figure out what works for us sonically and for our workflow. Why use years of experience working out your tones as a professional to inform your decisions? In your own space, with your own gear? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 9, 2024 14:21:22 GMT -6
I think like monitors, these types of differences suggest how we all hear differently, and how important demoing gear is to figure out what works for us sonically and for our workflow. Why use years of experience working out your tones as a professional to inform your decisions? In your own space, with your own gear? I guess, I was suggesting, we not take overly personally, natural differences. At the end of the day, we will each take decisions based on our experiences and judgement, as it should be and live with those decisions. |
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Post by FM77 on Nov 9, 2024 14:48:46 GMT -6
Why use years of experience working out your tones as a professional to inform your decisions? In your own space, with your own gear? I guess, I was suggesting, we not take overly personally, natural differences. At the end of the day, we will each take decisions based on our experiences and judgement, as it should be and live with those decisions. Yes. It was pure agreement with you brother. Sarcasm at it's peak. Thank goodness for the helper youtube videos of random people telling me what I like and what is the best. All this time I was using personal preference and experience to inform my choices. Whew...crisis averted.  |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 9, 2024 15:35:05 GMT -6
guess, we should just be ourselves, who else is better qualified ?  |
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Post by bossanova on Nov 10, 2024 10:03:47 GMT -6
It's interesting how in theory this is a room of pros and everyone knows that all these questions are highly subjective (at a certain level none of these options are bad, just different), but it's still pokes that ego button of, "You're saying that my taste is wrong." Everyone should take a breath, shake hands, and remember that 99% of listeners aren't going to care about which load box you use or whether it's a sim or a real amp. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 10, 2024 11:49:55 GMT -6
Yeah. It’s weird. Not that this thread is like this, but sometimes I see stuff that’s either A) flat out incorrect or B) obvious that someone is talking out of their ass. What should be done about that? If you leave it, people are getting the same shitty advice they can get at Gearslutz. Or delete it and get called Hitler. It’s quite the conundrum.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 10, 2024 12:01:02 GMT -6
We’re all grown ups and can’t control others: why not let things ride?
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 10, 2024 12:51:34 GMT -6
Well, I do. I’ve never deleted a comment for “correctness.” Although…been tempted to
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Post by russellcreekps on Nov 10, 2024 13:02:38 GMT -6
Haven't tried these yet, but since they're part of Spark, I will soon. Damn if only Spark were around a few years ago, I never would have spent my life savings on UAD plugs...rather something else studio related!  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 10, 2024 13:19:11 GMT -6
Haven't tried these yet, but since they're part of Spark, I will soon. Damn if only Spark were around a few years ago, I never would have spent my life savings on UAD plugs...rather something else studio related! I go back and forth…it would be $1200 for five years…I spent that buying 4 of the plugs in years past. Maybe the sub is the better deal. Because most likely there will be different options in 5 years. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 10, 2024 14:39:50 GMT -6
Or sell your cards and plugs and buy a good native bundle when on sale.
I sold my octo and a selection of plugs for $1800, got back in buying Signature for around $200 last Christmas: and now I cherry pick, like the 3 amp sims for around $80( had a $25 coupon)
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 11, 2024 1:25:21 GMT -6
Do you have a Boss WAZA TAE? Yes.
Boss TAE, Fryette PS-2A, Fryette PS-100 and reluctantly the UA OX Box, despite my dislike of the company. It's too useful to let go. Beleive it or not, there is very little redundancy other than the Fryettes, but they have different uses.
Thanks. I just got a TAE …. I’m really loving it - I think it genius. So far I’m finding the stock IR’s are great and have all those different parameters to adjust. Do you use 3rd party IR’s? If so, which ones? Do you mind loosing the extra parameters Boss give you with their IR’s? I suppose 3rd part IR’s do give variables baked in - it’s just it looks like a PITA to load 3rd party IR’s into the TAE so I’m wondering if it’s worth the hassle as the stocks sound very good. I’d appreciate your thoughts |
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 11, 2024 1:38:09 GMT -6
Haven't tried these yet, but since they're part of Spark, I will soon. Damn if only Spark were around a few years ago, I never would have spent my life savings on UAD plugs...rather something else studio related! I go back and forth…it would be $1200 for five years…I spent that buying 4 of the plugs in years past. Maybe the sub is the better deal. Because most likely there will be different options in 5 years. Is there an interface and CPU where the latency of playing an amp sim is sub < 1ms (or at least close to this) Even my new 13900K PC workstation with an RME RayDAT can’t achieve latency as low as this and still record at 48/24. (The Axe FX3 is < 1ms latency IIRC) That’s a big hurdle for me I’ve never got over, the feel of of sim simply isn’t immediate enough for me to get the feel of a physical amp. I have the same issue playing E drums, so I monitor the output of the Roland module as its sub < 1ms delay and post trigger Toontrack SDX’s. When I get my new Mac Book pro perhaps the M4 chip will have super low latency - I hope so and amp sims will have a better feel as I do very much enjoy using them when I’m songwriting and arranging. I realise we all have different thresholds for latency and for keyboards 5ms seems tolerable but for vocals, drums, bass and guitar any latency over 1ms is a big disrupter to feel for me. |
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 11, 2024 1:47:01 GMT -6
Haven't tried these yet, but since they're part of Spark, I will soon. Damn if only Spark were around a few years ago, I never would have spent my life savings on UAD plugs...rather something else studio related! Same here, I went over to Spark, I got these amps sims added to the sub. I have UAD plug-ins in my folder I payed hundreds for I no longer use. Software gets out modded and out dated so fast these days - even the same company puts out mk2 a year later and suddenly mk1 has no value! If I was starting again now as a kid, I have only one or two subs and that would be it and I’d sure as heck wouldn’t buy my plug-ins. |
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Post by ragan on Nov 11, 2024 2:02:25 GMT -6
Yeah. It’s weird. Not that this thread is like this, but sometimes I see stuff that’s either A) flat out incorrect or B) obvious that someone is talking out of their ass. What should be done about that? If you leave it, people are getting the same shitty advice they can get at Gearslutz. Or delete it and get called Hitler. It’s quite the conundrum. I think you just described the challenge of every major online platform in the world. It’s a big ol’ mess, no matter how you slice it. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 11, 2024 4:15:11 GMT -6
caveat emptor ! |
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Post by FM77 on Nov 11, 2024 6:05:50 GMT -6
Yes.
Boss TAE, Fryette PS-2A, Fryette PS-100 and reluctantly the UA OX Box, despite my dislike of the company. It's too useful to let go. Beleive it or not, there is very little redundancy other than the Fryettes, but they have different uses.
Thanks. I just got a TAE …. I’m really loving it - I think it genius. So far I’m finding the stock IR’s are great and have all those different parameters to adjust. Do you use 3rd party IR’s? If so, which ones? Do you mind loosing the extra parameters Boss give you with their IR’s? I suppose 3rd part IR’s do give variables baked in - it’s just it looks like a PITA to load 3rd party IR’s into the TAE so I’m wondering if it’s worth the hassle as the stocks sound very good. I’d appreciate your thoughts I have a love/less love relatioinship with the TAE -it adds an extra layer of conversion like the UA, though primarily undetectable. But if you have spent any real time in BOSS architecture (GT-1000, Core, GR etc) , you will recognize that 'BOSS' ROLAND sound. Its just ever so 'something else'. I don't want to say not authentic, but it's kinda of artificial in the right way. But it doesn't work on all sources for me, particularly with semi cleans where I live alot.
Again, with BOSSs software familiarity, loading 3rd party IRs is straight forward, just a bit slow and limited in reading them after loading. The BOSSs IR loader itself is simple. As for stock IRs, yeah they sound fine, I agree. They are just a bit ho-hum flat and boring...which is just fine, in that signature BOSS tone I was just speaking of. Everything has a thin layer of 1997 Roland to it as they do not upgrade often. But usually I find that fine.
As for 3rd party IR benefit, they are usually louder, with more specific choices and with much more headroom. BOSS ir's, despite the direct/mic gain levels and small adjustments available, tend to break up quickly. You'll note this most prominently when you are not using your amp cab to hear the tone, but monitoring just the reactive load. My IR sources? Mostly years of collecting using IR capture devices. Plenty of free ones. As for fresh modern IRS, @kcathedog posted a link to some free Origin effects IRs a couple weeks back.
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 11, 2024 6:12:16 GMT -6
Thanks. I just got a TAE …. I’m really loving it - I think it genius. So far I’m finding the stock IR’s are great and have all those different parameters to adjust. Do you use 3rd party IR’s? If so, which ones? Do you mind loosing the extra parameters Boss give you with their IR’s? I suppose 3rd part IR’s do give variables baked in - it’s just it looks like a PITA to load 3rd party IR’s into the TAE so I’m wondering if it’s worth the hassle as the stocks sound very good. I’d appreciate your thoughts I have a love/less love relatioinship with the TAE -it adds an extra layer of conversion like the UA, though primarily undetectable. But if you have spent any real time in BOSS architecture (GT-1000, Core, GR etc) , you will recognize that 'BOSS' ROLAND sound. Its just ever so 'something else'. I don't want to say not authentic, but it's kinda of artificial in the right way. But it doesn't work on all sources for me, particularly with semi cleans where I live alot.
Again, with BOSSs software familiarity, loading 3rd party IRs is straight forward, just a bit slow and limited in reading them after loading. The BOSSs IR loader itself is simple. As for stock IRs, yeah they sound fine, I agree. They are just a bit ho-hum flat and boring...which is just fine, in that signature BOSS tone I was just speaking of. Everything has a thin layer of 1997 Roland to it as they do not upgrade often. But usually I find that fine.
As for 3rd party IR benefit, they are usually louder, with more specific choices and with much more headroom. BOSS ir's, despite the direct/mic gain levels and small adjustments available, tend to break up quickly. You'll note this most prominently when you are not using your amp cab to hear the tone, but monitoring just the reactive load. My IR sources? Mostly years of collecting using IR capture devices. Plenty of free ones. As for fresh modern IRS, @kcathedog posted a link to some free Origin effects IRs a couple weeks back.
Thanks FM77. Yes it does convert but I'm told at 96KHz SR so I do find the feel of the latency is sub < 1ms - which is fine for me. I was worried it was going to turn my Tone King Imperial MK2 into a Boss Katana - but I'm really happy with the sound and for my purposes I do really love the results I'm getting - even though I do know what you're saying about the "Roland sound" I get that. I'm going to try the loader app and try some third party IR's. |
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