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Post by Dan on Jun 29, 2024 9:25:35 GMT -6
"Sounding analog" isn't really something I think about when I reach for a plug-in. If anything, it's the opposite, I think of them (or maybe I prefer them to be) transparent tools. that’s because most analog pieces sold today are toys and most digital processors is dysfunctional over a wide range of their controls… |
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Post by vintagelove on Jun 29, 2024 10:39:09 GMT -6
"Sounding analog" isn't really something I think about when I reach for a plug-in. If anything, it's the opposite, I think of them (or maybe I prefer them to be) transparent tools. that’s because most analog pieces sold today are toys and most digital processors is dysfunctional over a wide range of their controls… For me It’s just the plugins that claim to sound “analog” just don’t do anything for me.For example I recently got my 6386 vari mu back from Manley, and I figured I would give the uad plugin a fair shot..: I level matched them, and they weren’t even in the same universe. But I definitely enjoy Fircomp. A clean digital compressor that doesn’t pretend to be anything. It just does what it says on the box. |
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Post by Dan on Jun 29, 2024 11:03:20 GMT -6
that’s because most analog pieces sold today are toys and most digital processors is dysfunctional over a wide range of their controls… For me It’s just the plugins that claim to sound “analog” just don’t do anything for me.For example I recently got my 6386 vari mu back from Manley, and I figured I would give the uad plugin a fair shot..: I level matched them, and they weren’t even in the same universe. But I definitely enjoy Fircomp. A clean digital compressor that doesn’t pretend to be anything. It just does what it says on the box. The uad plugin sucks and sounds like a fart. Mjuc is much better. Kotelnikov and the like can do things the Manley physically impossibly cannot. The fir comp cannot do what it says because cannot detect anything close to the actual signal, only the samples that represent, and then modify the signal based off those samples and misfire with plastic ice pick transients. It has a brutal smooth filter to slow down the modulation rate of the compressor. It’s without tweaking a crappier tool than ancient renaissance compressor and Oxford dynamics which are less disgustingly smoothed and have a more functional attack/release switching by default 200 dollar art dual limiter is a better compressor. So is the 200 dollar unisum which has a better peak detector especially on pristine quality and lets you control fir filter slowing or speeding up the rate of modulation from the stock 6 kHz or so and lets you switch detection towards peak and make it sound like a distressor if you want that. Then you have molot and kotelnikov where the attacks can be set so fast they sound like a clipper to the peaks beneath 1 ms like a super fast peak detecting analog compressor and they work and take them off no look ahead like an 1176 dug in attack too fast |
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Post by EmRR on Jun 29, 2024 11:06:37 GMT -6
Marveling that I’ve gone through the whole thread and there’s not a single plug mentioned that I’ve ever demoed. I should get off your lawn…..
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Post by vintagelove on Jun 29, 2024 11:16:18 GMT -6
For me It’s just the plugins that claim to sound “analog” just don’t do anything for me.For example I recently got my 6386 vari mu back from Manley, and I figured I would give the uad plugin a fair shot..: I level matched them, and they weren’t even in the same universe. But I definitely enjoy Fircomp. A clean digital compressor that doesn’t pretend to be anything. It just does what it says on the box. The uad plugin sucks and sounds like a fart. Mjuc is much better. Kotelnikov and the like can do things the Manley physically impossibly cannot. The fir comp cannot do what it says because cannot detect anything close to the actual signal, only the samples that represent, and then modify the signal based off those samples and misfire with plastic ice pick transients. It has a brutal smooth filter to slow down the modulation rate of the compressor. It’s without tweaking a crappier tool than ancient renaissance compressor and Oxford dynamics which are less disgustingly smoothed and have a more functional attack/release switching by default 200 dollar art dual limiter is a better compressor. So is the 200 dollar unisum which has a better peak detector especially on pristine quality and lets you control fir filter slowing or speeding up the rate of modulation from the stock 6 kHz or so and lets you switch detection towards peak and make it sound like a distressor if you want that. Then you have molot and kotelnikov where the attacks can be set so fast they sound like a clipper to the peaks beneath 1 ms like a super fast peak detecting analog compressor and they work and take them off no look ahead like an 1176 dug in attack too fast That’s nice, but Fircomp is an excellent dynamics processor, and I have racks of high end dynamics processors and have had the ancient to the modern. It hangs. |
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 29, 2024 21:10:10 GMT -6
Finally found the time to start some of these plugin purchases today. PA sub, Molot GE and the free Fuse options (for now). Got lost in Neold land for a few hours, and of course y’all are spot on, truly impressed!
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Post by noob on Jul 1, 2024 10:45:18 GMT -6
UAD EP-34 Tape Echo. Never compared it to the real thing, but it has that analog sound, and I love using it in a Russel Elevado drum delay type of way. Also, the THD knobs on all the bx stuff seems to work really well for that harmonic sound.
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Post by theshea on Jul 2, 2024 1:49:58 GMT -6
UAD EP-34 Tape Echo. Never compared it to the real thing, but it has that analog sound, and I love using it in a Russel Elevado drum delay type of way. Also, the THD knobs on all the bx stuff seems to work really well for that harmonic sound. i prefer the IK space delay. pity theres no output knob. |
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 2, 2024 2:26:01 GMT -6
It's funny that "awful plugins" like Waves CLA76, is used in every mix by big names in the industry, like Serban Ghenea. He's known to only use that as his vocal compressor. We've probably heard the CLA76 plugin a million times. I really like the CLA76 Bluey .... As is often the way with plugins, I really like a plugin - use it a lot and then think .... mmmh I bet the actually hardware is fantastic. Last month I bought a BLA Bluey (hardware version of the CLA76 Bluey) and it's truly fantastic. So I've retired the plugin, but it was a good demo for the hardware  |
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 2, 2024 2:31:30 GMT -6
UAD EP-34 Tape Echo. Never compared it to the real thing, but it has that analog sound, and I love using it in a Russel Elevado drum delay type of way. Also, the THD knobs on all the bx stuff seems to work really well for that harmonic sound. Love UAD plugins .... I still use lot's on every mix even though I use hardware too. Love the Hitsville stuff especially - fantastic plugins! EP-34 is great as is the Copper Time Cube, 88RS channel strip, Lex 224, Space Echo, Korg SDD-3000 UAD FX are brilliant and up there for me with my SoundToys collection. |
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Post by Dan on Jul 2, 2024 7:00:16 GMT -6
The uad plugin sucks and sounds like a fart. Mjuc is much better. Kotelnikov and the like can do things the Manley physically impossibly cannot. The fir comp cannot do what it says because cannot detect anything close to the actual signal, only the samples that represent, and then modify the signal based off those samples and misfire with plastic ice pick transients. It has a brutal smooth filter to slow down the modulation rate of the compressor. It’s without tweaking a crappier tool than ancient renaissance compressor and Oxford dynamics which are less disgustingly smoothed and have a more functional attack/release switching by default 200 dollar art dual limiter is a better compressor. So is the 200 dollar unisum which has a better peak detector especially on pristine quality and lets you control fir filter slowing or speeding up the rate of modulation from the stock 6 kHz or so and lets you switch detection towards peak and make it sound like a distressor if you want that. Then you have molot and kotelnikov where the attacks can be set so fast they sound like a clipper to the peaks beneath 1 ms like a super fast peak detecting analog compressor and they work and take them off no look ahead like an 1176 dug in attack too fast That’s nice, but Fircomp is an excellent dynamics processor, and I have racks of high end dynamics processors and have had the ancient to the modern. It hangs. after playing with it more, it’s basically deconstructed waves renaissance compressor with ways to defeat parts of the compressor, change the release to be weird or weirder, and change the shape of the attack/release envelopes. The stock release mode is quite funny and the coupled peak mode is the normal one. The lookahead attack smoothing being off but brutal modulation rate limiting (the fir filter) being on is weird too because the compressor cannot detect the true peaks so a bit of lookahesd smooths the action more so. |
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Post by doubledog on Jul 2, 2024 9:00:28 GMT -6
UAD EP-34 Tape Echo. Never compared it to the real thing, but it has that analog sound, and I love using it in a Russel Elevado drum delay type of way. Also, the THD knobs on all the bx stuff seems to work really well for that harmonic sound. i prefer the IK space delay. pity theres no output knob. and if you haven't ever tried the Massey TD5 Tape Delay, you should give it a whirl. masseyplugins.com/plugin/td5I don't know if he's kept up with all of the Mac changes (I use Windows so I don't care  ) |
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Post by russellcreekps on Jul 3, 2024 19:20:08 GMT -6
Spent some time this morning with the Silver Bullet, yet another stellar suggestion! Has this present called (I think) ‘acoustic guitar alchemy’, a tiny bit of tweaking and a thick comp in front of it, damn it’s good!
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Post by doubledog on Jul 12, 2024 8:40:18 GMT -6
if anyone is still waiting on the Silver Bullet, it's $29.99 today with "ANY-2999".
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Post by drbill on Jul 12, 2024 10:15:28 GMT -6
if anyone is still waiting on the Silver Bullet, it's $29.99 today with "ANY-2999". You can get it on the LTL website for several days I think. $30. Brad doesn't do the "penny less" thing. LOL |
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Post by Dan on Jul 12, 2024 10:24:37 GMT -6
if anyone is still waiting on the Silver Bullet, it's $29.99 today with "ANY-2999". You can get it on the LTL website for several days I think. $30. Brad doesn't do the "penny less" thing. LOL Pretty shocking how they just unload it and the Neold Wunderlich for 30 and then try to sell you flavor of the month convolution verbs and distorted ssl bus comp emulations for 100. You can get the LTL for 30 from the website and use the coupon for Wunderlich.
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Post by ragan on Jul 12, 2024 10:26:21 GMT -6
I keep forgetting I picked the Silver Bullet plug-in up. Need to spend some quality time with it.
More and more, for saturation/harmonic shaping, I turn to FF Saturn 2. So flexible, I can kind of directly make whatever I want happen. I’m still a sucker for other stuff though too.
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Post by vvvooojjj on Jul 12, 2024 11:50:27 GMT -6
Been using Saturn 2 lately for saturation.
Silver Bullet is a cool plugin but is sometimes unusable due to the noise.
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Post by drbill on Jul 12, 2024 13:41:38 GMT -6
Been using Saturn 2 lately for saturation. Silver Bullet is a cool plugin but is sometimes unusable due to the noise. I have been unable to find any normal settings on the plug that introduced any appreciable noise. Certainly not enough to make it unusable. Good news for you is that the new version will have noise "options" where you can go from "analog" equivalent to "digital" - i.e. silence. |
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Post by ab101 on Jul 12, 2024 14:51:11 GMT -6
Been using Saturn 2 lately for saturation. Silver Bullet is a cool plugin but is sometimes unusable due to the noise. I have been unable to find any normal settings on the plug that introduced any appreciable noise. Certainly not enough to make it unusable. Good news for you is that the new version will have noise "options" where you can go from "analog" equivalent to "digital" - i.e. silence. Is the "new version" an update for those that already purchased? Thank you! |
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Post by drbill on Jul 12, 2024 15:39:32 GMT -6
I have been unable to find any normal settings on the plug that introduced any appreciable noise. Certainly not enough to make it unusable. Good news for you is that the new version will have noise "options" where you can go from "analog" equivalent to "digital" - i.e. silence. Is the "new version" an update for those that already purchased? Thank you! From my understanding it will be a free upgrade. Has a couple other goodies as well. |
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Post by notneeson on Jul 12, 2024 17:14:53 GMT -6
I was blown away how much Silver Bullet tied my rough mix together today… I haven’t even hit my hardware SB yet and things are gelled. Rad.
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Post by knucklehead89 on Jul 12, 2024 19:20:30 GMT -6
Waves actually makes a few sleeper ones that can make a track more “analog”. Some of the Abbey Road stuff in particular. The newer BB tubes.
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Post by Dan on Jul 12, 2024 21:02:10 GMT -6
Waves actually makes a few sleeper ones that can make a track more “analog”. Some of the Abbey Road stuff in particular. The newer BB tubes. Renaissance Compressor is instant analog. It ramps down the highs in advance. Especially if you hit the warm button. RenAxx too but it gets middy. Rvox leaves digitus ice picks.
Kramer Tape is analog in a silly way.
Puigtech and Puigchild are analog modeled yet sound like digital distortion. |
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Post by Dan on Jul 12, 2024 21:04:49 GMT -6
I was blown away how much Silver Bullet tied my rough mix together today… I haven’t even hit my hardware SB yet and things are gelled. Rad. Molot GE -> Fuse VQA-154 -> U-he Satin just saved my ass after eqing out crappy commercial metal drum VSTi clicks made from SSL E or more resonant upper mids and high end bell boosts and fucking Distressors. Distressor is analog in a bad way.
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