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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 16, 2024 18:32:03 GMT -6
Totally agree. I’ve pulled it up before think it must not be doing much and it’s just rocking. Lol. It does honestly remind me of the Stam 660. It too is clean and transparent gain reduction. I don't know why I have stopped using it. I used to absolutely love its action on the mix bus. I really don’t want to pay $150…the stereo version or the “mono” one in stereo? I forgot to try the stereo version and I’m sure my trial is far over…but that might be killer. I usually use Capital Compressor or SPL Iron…but I could be convinced.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jun 16, 2024 19:03:02 GMT -6
I don't know why I have stopped using it. I used to absolutely love its action on the mix bus. I really don’t want to pay $150…the stereo version or the “mono” one in stereo? I forgot to try the stereo version and I’m sure my trial is far over…but that might be killer. I usually use Capital Compressor or SPL Iron…but I could be convinced. The mono one in stereo is certainly cool, but the stereo version really is a completely different compressor (incl. some EQ). But don't pay $150. Wait 'til sales. I got my copy at the holidays a couple years ago.
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Post by spud on Jun 17, 2024 11:24:11 GMT -6
To me my most analog sounding plugins are:
Pulsar Modular P455, really love this one ! Tone Project Michelangelo Pulsar 1178 (my favorite compressor this days, I just discovered that it could work very well on the master bus with (or without) the look behind) Kiive KC-1 Acustica El Rey VoosteQ Model N And all Fuse Audio Labs & Neold plugins. Love the VPRE-72 (free) and the Neold V76U73
I'm testing some Sonimus plugins, they are really cool too. I'm looking for a good Channel Strip but still haven't found one. The Satson CS sounds good but has no gate, too bad. the SSL 4KE sounds good but 300 bucks for a CS... No thanks... Maybe the VCS-1... I'll see.
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Post by bobeschism on Jun 17, 2024 13:07:44 GMT -6
Loads of great suggestions here that I've found myself nodding along with. Has anyone mentioned Kazrog True Iron?
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Post by drbill on Jun 17, 2024 17:15:31 GMT -6
Wrong question here.... Instant PT and OS system crashes and corruption. Completely nuked all of their plugs 2 days after buying them. I know others have used them with no problems and like them. But that was my experience.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 17, 2024 17:18:49 GMT -6
I’ve been using Sonimus Pure:unmask and I feel like clearing out space has gotten things punchier. Ala more “analog.”
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 17, 2024 17:49:48 GMT -6
Oh damn, so much awesome suggestions and money to spend! Really busy this week but plan to dig in soon…appreciate it!
PS. Marc Daniel Nelson is the man for me…I model my workflow after him (cuz he’s amazing but also cuz I can’t afford to emulate Vance Powell, hehe). Neither him or Ziad were F’ing around on this one, love it! That’s what I’m talking about, like a true ‘analog’ sound in the digital realm…it’s really what inspired this thread (and the MW CA-70s), wanna find more plugs on that level.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 17, 2024 19:06:23 GMT -6
Oh damn, so much awesome suggestions and money to spend! Really busy this week but plan to dig in soon…appreciate it! PS. Marc Daniel Nelson is the man for me…I model my workflow after him (cuz he’s amazing but also cuz I can’t afford to emulate Vance Powell, hehe). Neither him or Ziad were F’ing around on this one, love it! That’s what I’m talking about, like a true ‘analog’ sound in the digital realm…it’s really what inspired this thread (and the MW CA-70s), wanna find more plugs on that level. That guy pushed me over the edge on the Trinnov…lots of smart stuff in his videos.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 17, 2024 19:06:51 GMT -6
Thought about inviting him over, but I kinda feel like a cheese ball.
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 17, 2024 19:27:14 GMT -6
He’d be a cool hang for sure!
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Post by doubledog on Jun 17, 2024 21:57:16 GMT -6
a couple freebies slatedigital.com/heatwave/slatedigital.com/fresh-air/although depending on what you mean by "analog sounding", I also really like the Slate VCC plugins and sometimes I'll use the Sonimus A-console, N-console (formerly Britson), or Satson (and SonEQ is a great free EQ). And United Plugins FrontDAW is pretty decent too.
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Post by Dan on Jun 18, 2024 7:04:42 GMT -6
Loads of great suggestions here that I've found myself nodding along with. Has anyone mentioned Kazrog True Iron? hype died around kazrog. It’s not a transformer emulation with a hysteresis algorithm, just an interesting digital distortion thing that sounded pretty cool but not stupid or loud enough for modern music where they want things audibly distorted so out comes decapitator, radiator, and vintage warmer. You know things are bad when the fuse tascam and Grampian pa amp emulations are too nice
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Post by spud on Jun 19, 2024 10:54:57 GMT -6
Have any of you tried the new Lindell MU-66? I did some tests on my laptop and found it very cool, very smooth. I will do other tests but it could well be added to my long list of "alive" plugins!
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 20, 2024 17:22:47 GMT -6
Loads of great suggestions here that I've found myself nodding along with. Has anyone mentioned Kazrog True Iron? hype died around kazrog. It’s not a transformer emulation with a hysteresis algorithm, just an interesting digital distortion thing that sounded pretty cool but not stupid or loud enough for modern music where they want things audibly distorted so out comes decapitator, radiator, and vintage warmer. You know things are bad when the fuse tascam and Grampian pa amp emulations are too nice Oh I love Radiator! Devil Loc luxe in parallel also a fav of mine. So, looks like for now my money’s on the highest PA subscription (yearly option) cuz you can choose 10 plugs to own forever for $299. $30 bucks a plug ain’t bad, that’ll get me owning all the Noeld stuff, The Oven and Silver Bullet. Gonna dl Fuse’s free options and demo the others. Will also demo the Michelangelo, but $250 is pretty steep…it’s gotta be damn good at that price! And will demo all others that offer it (have this thread bookmarked). Really appreciate all the suggestions! Looking forward to digging in with these!
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 20, 2024 17:58:58 GMT -6
hype died around kazrog. It’s not a transformer emulation with a hysteresis algorithm, just an interesting digital distortion thing that sounded pretty cool but not stupid or loud enough for modern music where they want things audibly distorted so out comes decapitator, radiator, and vintage warmer. You know things are bad when the fuse tascam and Grampian pa amp emulations are too nice Oh I love Radiator! Devil Loc luxe in parallel also a fav of mine. So, looks like for now my money’s on the highest PA subscription (yearly option) cuz you can choose 10 plugs to own forever for $299. $30 bucks a plug ain’t bad, that’ll get me owning all the Noeld stuff, The Oven and Silver Bullet. Gonna dl Fuse’s free options and demo the others. Will also demo the Michelangelo, but $250 is pretty steep…it’s gotta be damn good at that price! And will demo all others that offer it (have this thread bookmarked). Really appreciate all the suggestions! Looking forward to digging in with these! Yeah. No demo. Can I try the product before buying? We’re confident you’ll be impressed by AIR Studios Reverb’s sonic authenticity and depth. If, however, it doesn’t meet your specific needs, we offer a hassle-free 7-day money-back guarantee. Find out more here: www.spitfireaudio.com/pages/eula
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 20, 2024 18:06:35 GMT -6
Oh I love Radiator! Devil Loc luxe in parallel also a fav of mine. So, looks like for now my money’s on the highest PA subscription (yearly option) cuz you can choose 10 plugs to own forever for $299. $30 bucks a plug ain’t bad, that’ll get me owning all the Noeld stuff, The Oven and Silver Bullet. Gonna dl Fuse’s free options and demo the others. Will also demo the Michelangelo, but $250 is pretty steep…it’s gotta be damn good at that price! And will demo all others that offer it (have this thread bookmarked). Really appreciate all the suggestions! Looking forward to digging in with these! Yeah. No demo. Can I try the product before buying? We’re confident you’ll be impressed by AIR Studios Reverb’s sonic authenticity and depth. If, however, it doesn’t meet your specific needs, we offer a hassle-free 7-day money-back guarantee. Find out more here: www.spitfireaudio.com/pages/eulaDef need to try before buying, won’t buy if I can’t! Thankfully the Michelangelo offers a free trial…If it’s AMAZING, I’m okay with dropping $250 on a plug, but it’s gotta be really outstanding at that price these days.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 20, 2024 20:01:56 GMT -6
UAD ATR-102. Not exactly under the radar, but still the most useful plug-in of all for me since 2012. I't's been on every mix since then. What is a little hidden is it has the best slap back echo I've heard yet. You turned me on to ATR-102 for slap back awhile ago. Use it all the time now.
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 20, 2024 20:09:51 GMT -6
UAD ATR-102. Not exactly under the radar, but still the most useful plug-in of all for me since 2012. I't's been on every mix since then. What is a little hidden is it has the best slap back echo I've heard yet. You turned me on to ATR-102 for slap back awhile ago. Use it all the time now. The HF knob is a god send, both on individual tracks and the mixbus
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Post by Dan on Jun 21, 2024 9:00:18 GMT -6
it’s just distortion. Like I don’t care if decapitator aliases. It makes things sound different. I don’t care what hardware it was modeled on. I just don’t care. It’s for making things sound different or applying distortion or a hardware modeled non linear transfer curve (the a ampex model) Vintage warmer is just a complex clipper yet I’ve used it as a fuzz pedal and for vocal distortion. It can be hard to hear in multiband mode set right but still does something cool to the bass and highs. It sounds better than the modeled fuzz plugins and easily better than the Kevin shields endorsed fender blender remake Only when something is a model of something real where you know what it does or is a tool that’s mostly dysfunctional (waves cla 76 for something entirely dysfunctional) it doesn’t behave as expected or doesn’t work, do people seem to care but that but then the internet will shout that the cla 76 of x gear is fine because y mixer is successful and uses it even if his mixes sound totally unnatural. Then there’s stuff like the distorted ssl plugins and of all the outboard ssl pieces I’ve used, like yeah they have a sound, often cleaner than cheap and value engineered interfaces, but the audible distortion was from deliberately non-linear processes like distortion or compression and not some simple or exaggerated circuit model or polynomial wave shaper where there is no way in hell give anyone using waves ssl or ev2 or ssl 4b or 4e or whatever the sound of passing through a bunch of old vcas, underspecced maybe dying coupling caps, fet switches, ne 5532 or 5534, etc and all the other things digital eliminates that are way more complex and low level than a simple distortion algorithm. The plugins are toys except for the ssl native one that has nothing to do with the hardware besides the gui and is just some more distorted and less fucntional what you already own thing. The channel strip compressors and gates sound so bad next to the Oxford dynamics conceived by the g series original strip designer Paul frindle and the ssl native bus comp is just awful next to the glue or Oxford limiter set up like a bus comp. Like the non eq parts of the ssl native in no way sound or function as well as most of their analog equivalents and by that I mean any common analog compressor or gate. The fuse models of weird old pro gear are pretty subtle usually unless they’re pushed when crazy stuff happens. What you are giving as an example are unique tools that add something. A complex clipper still adds something. In my opinion and after Testing the BB Tubes doesn't add anything unique or in terms of workflow. That the aliasing isn't working is annoying, but if the plugin would give me something cool or etc then sure, but this doesn't- Fuse and Oxford is on a completely different level than nearly all of Waves uh if it gives you some murk like dilla in 2 seconds for 20 bucks, it adds something to your workflow. something simple like inflator adds something. it's free non-linear gain on anything that can take the high end. you can just crank it. the anti-aliased or self upsampled clones, you can just crank it like a dumbass, anything else you can adjust it a little bit and make it like 10% louder with inflator without totally crapping up the sound. it sounds analog enough. it replicates properties of pushed pentode amps and in split band mode, i think Frindle said Inflator was suppose to emulate a 3 way hifi system driven by tube amps.
BB tubes is just it's own weirdo thing and yeah it's cool but cannot be pushed. Who cares how they did it? As long as it works. It's distortion and it's buggy but who cares? stuff gets weird when it doesn't work and is dysfunctional like the cla 76 or pulsar the abyss where whoever coded the abyss had no idea in hell how a compressor auto release worked or how the compressor presets he claimed to be modeling were. you could put the physical units and an ee textbook in front of that coder and it might take him a decade to get you something on the level of waves. I used digital fish phones THD for years and that's like smoking crack in an alley compared to the bb tubes and is crazy unstable, insane aliasing, but sounded awesome to me and everyone I worked with for years. This pos still works in reaper on windows. prior to sound toys, guys were doing dumb stuff like this, pushing stuff into the red, clipping art vla or right before clipping when the high end totally disappeared, using the drawmer 1960 line (dude it's so gross but cool. even the 68/69 has the gross diode clipper in it like a prism overkiller or cassette deck limiter that sounds ridiculous) or the sans amp in pro tools because stuff like the brainworx spl twin tube plug and voxengo stuff barely did anything. inflator and bb tubes are pretty much nothing compared to hitting PUNISH in decapitator or whatever the hell radiator is doing. some of the variety of sound stuff was also common and could get very very nasty.
Old Waves have algorithms and concepts originating from Michael Gerzon, quantum physicist and inventor of ambisonics. S1, L1, Renaissance EQ. Fuse? He models a bunch of weird stuff. Waves also models weird stuff like the BSS DPR 402, Kramer Tape Ampex machine, the pingy pye comps, Puig's weirdo personal units that supposedly sound like pedals, etc. You can buy Waves platinum for 100 bucks and get all the Renaissance stuff and a bunch of the weird stuff. The Clarity stuff is really good and it's in real time. No insano latency like the other AI denoisers and dereverbers. Yeah the old CLA and SSL plugs suck a fat one but they did way weirder and more functional stuff. The main reason waves sucks? WUP and you get only 1 license until you wup and then when you wup, you get 2, but if you let that wup expire, that license goes away and waves central is a pain in the ass. ilok is way better than Waves. Waves is on "there can be only 1" highlander crack. But once a year, you can get platinum for 100 bucks or renaissance maxx for about 45. they kill what comes with your daw and cheap clones that have plastic overshoots (dbx 160, 3630) or sound like ass (warm and behringer). just don't use the waves cla and ssl distorted icepick garbage.
do you know what is one of hte most analog sounding plugs? the weiss ds1, a purely digital thing that doesn't even try to sound analog. why? because it can detect the peaks unlike say the otherwise killer mdwdrc2 or something and it has weirdly consistent misbehavior like analog compressors. it sounds great and is super cool. put it in plugin doctor, and it has some crazy unideal response from the short forced hold like a gate yet it will smoke something that looks more normal at 1 khz like a uad compressor. attack/release are before threshold so you can do all kinds of weird shit like optical and rms comps that try the same thing but it's digital so you can nail it and play around with it a lot. it's dope. you can even abuse the gain staging to smush down overshoots with the improved hyper aggressive softube limiter in the plug.
Dan
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 21, 2024 9:02:30 GMT -6
UAD ATR-102. Not exactly under the radar, but still the most useful plug-in of all for me since 2012. I't's been on every mix since then. What is a little hidden is it has the best slap back echo I've heard yet. You turned me on to ATR-102 for slap back awhile ago. Use it all the time now. I had been putting the 102 on my master for the longest. I’d do console emu—master eq—comp—102. Then I’d put the mouse on the bypass button, close my eyes and go back and forth. It was a 50/50 thing. I guess my point to typing this is I’ve kindve gotten away from it because I just thought it was superflous…kind of realized - I don’t want saturation…and not sure I need a bump on each end of the freq spectrum.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 21, 2024 9:15:57 GMT -6
What you are giving as an example are unique tools that add something. A complex clipper still adds something. In my opinion and after Testing the BB Tubes doesn't add anything unique or in terms of workflow. That the aliasing isn't working is annoying, but if the plugin would give me something cool or etc then sure, but this doesn't- Fuse and Oxford is on a completely different level than nearly all of Waves uh if it gives you some murk like dilla in 2 seconds for 20 bucks, it adds something to your workflow. something simple like inflator adds something. it's free non-linear gain on anything that can take the high end. you can just crank it. the anti-aliased or self upsampled clones, you can just crank it like a dumbass, anything else you can adjust it a little bit and make it like 10% louder with inflator without totally crapping up the sound. it sounds analog enough. it replicates properties of pushed pentode amps and in split band mode, i think Frindle said Inflator was suppose to emulate a 3 way hifi system driven by tube amps. BB tubes is just it's own weirdo thing and yeah it's cool but cannot be pushed. Who cares how they did it? As long as it works. It's distortion and it's buggy but who cares? stuff gets weird when it doesn't work and is dysfunctional like the cla 76 or pulsar the abyss where whoever coded the abyss had no idea in hell how a compressor auto release worked or how the compressor presets he claimed to be modeling were. you could put the physical units and an ee textbook in front of that coder and it might take him a decade to get you something on the level of waves. I used digital fish phones THD for years and that's like smoking crack in an alley compared to the bb tubes and is crazy unstable, insane aliasing, but sounded awesome to me and everyone I worked with for years. This pos still works in reaper on windows. prior to sound toys, guys were doing dumb stuff like this, pushing stuff into the red, clipping art vla or right before clipping when the high end totally disappeared, using the drawmer 1960 line (dude it's so gross but cool. even the 68/69 has the gross diode clipper in it like a prism overkiller or cassette deck limiter that sounds ridiculous) or the sans amp in pro tools because stuff like the brainworx spl twin tube plug and voxengo stuff barely did anything. inflator and bb tubes are pretty much nothing compared to hitting PUNISH in decapitator or whatever the hell radiator is doing. some of the variety of sound stuff was also common and could get very very nasty.
Old Waves have algorithms and concepts originating from Michael Gerzon, quantum physicist and inventor of ambisonics. S1, L1, Renaissance EQ. Fuse? He models a bunch of weird stuff. Waves also models weird stuff like the BSS DPR 402, Kramer Tape Ampex machine, the pingy pye comps, Puig's weirdo personal units that supposedly sound like pedals, etc. You can buy Waves platinum for 100 bucks and get all the Renaissance stuff and a bunch of the weird stuff. The Clarity stuff is really good and it's in real time. No insano latency like the other AI denoisers and dereverbers. Yeah the old CLA and SSL plugs suck a fat one but they did way weirder and more functional stuff. The main reason waves sucks? WUP and you get only 1 license until you wup and then when you wup, you get 2, but if you let that wup expire, that license goes away and waves central is a pain in the ass. ilok is way better than Waves. Waves is on "there can be only 1" highlander crack. But once a year, you can get platinum for 100 bucks or renaissance maxx for about 45. they kill what comes with your daw and cheap clones that have plastic overshoots (dbx 160, 3630) or sound like ass (warm and behringer). just don't use the waves cla and ssl distorted icepick garbage.
do you know what is one of hte most analog sounding plugs? the weiss ds1, a purely digital thing that doesn't even try to sound analog. why? because it can detect the peaks unlike say the mdwdrc2 or something and it has weirdly consistent misbehavior like analog compressors. it sounds great and is super cool. put it in plugin doctor, and it has some crazy unideal response from the short forced hold like a gate yet it will smoke something that looks more normal at 1 khz like a uad compressor. attack/release are before threshold so you can do all kinds of weird shit like optical and rms comps that try the same thing but it's digital so you can nail it and play around with it a lot. it's dope. you can even abuse the gain staging to smush down overshoots with the improved hyper aggressive softube limiter in the plug. Dan
I need to demo those Weiss plugs again.
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Post by Dan on Jun 21, 2024 14:54:48 GMT -6
uh if it gives you some murk like dilla in 2 seconds for 20 bucks, it adds something to your workflow. something simple like inflator adds something. it's free non-linear gain on anything that can take the high end. you can just crank it. the anti-aliased or self upsampled clones, you can just crank it like a dumbass, anything else you can adjust it a little bit and make it like 10% louder with inflator without totally crapping up the sound. it sounds analog enough. it replicates properties of pushed pentode amps and in split band mode, i think Frindle said Inflator was suppose to emulate a 3 way hifi system driven by tube amps. BB tubes is just it's own weirdo thing and yeah it's cool but cannot be pushed. Who cares how they did it? As long as it works. It's distortion and it's buggy but who cares? stuff gets weird when it doesn't work and is dysfunctional like the cla 76 or pulsar the abyss where whoever coded the abyss had no idea in hell how a compressor auto release worked or how the compressor presets he claimed to be modeling were. you could put the physical units and an ee textbook in front of that coder and it might take him a decade to get you something on the level of waves. I used digital fish phones THD for years and that's like smoking crack in an alley compared to the bb tubes and is crazy unstable, insane aliasing, but sounded awesome to me and everyone I worked with for years. This pos still works in reaper on windows. prior to sound toys, guys were doing dumb stuff like this, pushing stuff into the red, clipping art vla or right before clipping when the high end totally disappeared, using the drawmer 1960 line (dude it's so gross but cool. even the 68/69 has the gross diode clipper in it like a prism overkiller or cassette deck limiter that sounds ridiculous) or the sans amp in pro tools because stuff like the brainworx spl twin tube plug and voxengo stuff barely did anything. inflator and bb tubes are pretty much nothing compared to hitting PUNISH in decapitator or whatever the hell radiator is doing. some of the variety of sound stuff was also common and could get very very nasty.
Old Waves have algorithms and concepts originating from Michael Gerzon, quantum physicist and inventor of ambisonics. S1, L1, Renaissance EQ. Fuse? He models a bunch of weird stuff. Waves also models weird stuff like the BSS DPR 402, Kramer Tape Ampex machine, the pingy pye comps, Puig's weirdo personal units that supposedly sound like pedals, etc. You can buy Waves platinum for 100 bucks and get all the Renaissance stuff and a bunch of the weird stuff. The Clarity stuff is really good and it's in real time. No insano latency like the other AI denoisers and dereverbers. Yeah the old CLA and SSL plugs suck a fat one but they did way weirder and more functional stuff. The main reason waves sucks? WUP and you get only 1 license until you wup and then when you wup, you get 2, but if you let that wup expire, that license goes away and waves central is a pain in the ass. ilok is way better than Waves. Waves is on "there can be only 1" highlander crack. But once a year, you can get platinum for 100 bucks or renaissance maxx for about 45. they kill what comes with your daw and cheap clones that have plastic overshoots (dbx 160, 3630) or sound like ass (warm and behringer). just don't use the waves cla and ssl distorted icepick garbage.
do you know what is one of hte most analog sounding plugs? the weiss ds1, a purely digital thing that doesn't even try to sound analog. why? because it can detect the peaks unlike say the mdwdrc2 or something and it has weirdly consistent misbehavior like analog compressors. it sounds great and is super cool. put it in plugin doctor, and it has some crazy unideal response from the short forced hold like a gate yet it will smoke something that looks more normal at 1 khz like a uad compressor. attack/release are before threshold so you can do all kinds of weird shit like optical and rms comps that try the same thing but it's digital so you can nail it and play around with it a lot. it's dope. you can even abuse the gain staging to smush down overshoots with the improved hyper aggressive softube limiter in the plug. Dan
I need to demo those Weiss plugs again. I love how you can adjust the two releases to have it do crazy stuff to drums. Also how much gain reduction you want to apply and the knee can influence the release curve and the response.
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Post by vintagelove on Jun 21, 2024 16:38:16 GMT -6
"Sounding analog" isn't really something I think about when I reach for a plug-in. If anything, it's the opposite, I think of them (or maybe I prefer them to be) transparent tools.
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 21, 2024 16:53:18 GMT -6
"Sounding analog" isn't really something I think about when I reach for a plug-in. If anything, it's the opposite, I think of them (or maybe I prefer them to be) transparent tools. Yeah, that was my opinion as well, but lately I’ve had a change of heart…damn with some of the sweet plugs coming out now, (in some cases) I’m actually preferring them to my hardware. Still buying a pair of RS660’s though (selling my DComp and ELOP+, other than speed, hoping they’ll be versatile enough to cover both)! Really wanna strip down to two main condensers (always a couple ribbons and dyns on hand), my AS Pultecs, API and WT72 pairs of pre’s, the RS660’s and B2 Bomber (Okay okay, maybe a Mini Rack someday!). I mean I love hardware and will always keep some, but now two obviously different choices for mic and pre covers most everything is enough and I can do whatever else I need to do in the box. PS. I don’t do live drums or e-guitars…vsts’s and Ox Stomp (Johnkenn?) all the way! Less choices otb, more choices in = more money in the bank!
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Post by ragan on Jun 23, 2024 12:55:29 GMT -6
I also think that Waves BB Tubes plug sounds awesome. But it got WUP’d out from under me before I ever used it on any actual tracks. 👎 WUP is a deal breaker for me. I was totally wrong about the WUP thing. Either that or they updated it for me for free at some point. Checked today and I am current on it. Loaded it up on some bass, drums, guitars…still sounds awesome.
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