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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 16, 2024 9:26:47 GMT -6
Hey y'all,
So I'm on a bit of a deep dive plugin hunt lately and would love to get RGO's opinions. I have almost everything UAD, Soundtoys, Fabfilter, Izotope and many one offs from other manufacturers. But since purchasing the Pulsar Modular MDN sidecar and eq (because I absolutely love it) I'm thinking there's probably more really analog sounding plugins from less known devs out there that I'm missing. Looking for colour pieces. Have read good things about Neold and Fuse (love to get your thoughts on those), any others I should be considering?
Thanks!
Russell
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Post by trakworxmastering on Jun 16, 2024 9:51:25 GMT -6
The Oven. Michelangelo.
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Post by yewtreemagic on Jun 16, 2024 10:02:12 GMT -6
Two of my analogue favourites from Fuse Audio Labs are Ray's VPRE-2C (based on the 1950's RCA BA-2C booster amp) and the freeware VPRE-72 (1954 2-tube mic preamp)
And lots of here also rate the Louder Than Liftoff Silver Bullet Mk2 plug-in (it's sold through the Plugin Alliance label, but is 100% coded by LTL themselves.
Martin
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Post by robo on Jun 16, 2024 10:02:22 GMT -6
The Mixwave stuff, Kelvin, Silver Bullet, Fuse preamps all come to mind.
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Post by ragan on Jun 16, 2024 10:03:32 GMT -6
Vintage Warmer!
Still sounds rad.
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Post by Darren Boling on Jun 16, 2024 10:12:00 GMT -6
Great suggestions above. Wanted to add Kit N105 v2, Coil CA-70, Pulsar Modular P455 MDN, Pulsar Abyss, Sontec plugin, DDMF's Magic Death Eye (both mono and stereo versions)
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Post by Dan on Jun 16, 2024 10:40:23 GMT -6
Goodhertz Tupe and Vulf
Molot GE
Cytomic The Glue and The Scream
Fuse VCL-515 and TCS-68
Neold everything
Softube Chandler Germanium and Celestion Shaper
U-he Satin, Presswerk, and Colour Copy
Klanghelm everything but DC8C3
PSP Triple Meter. Not apple silicon compatible though
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Post by ragan on Jun 16, 2024 10:42:03 GMT -6
I also think that Waves BB Tubes plug sounds awesome. But it got WUP’d out from under me before I ever used it on any actual tracks. 👎
WUP is a deal breaker for me.
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Post by deaconblues on Jun 16, 2024 12:06:15 GMT -6
Adding to the praise for Fuse & Neold!
Tone Projects Hendyamps Michelangelo is very nice.
I also dig The Oven and Silver Bullet plugs.
Some of the AudioThing / Hainbach collaborations like Dials or Wires are fun if you're looking to really screw some sounds up.
Oh, and Softube Celestion Speaker Shaper is rad.
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Post by itzprime on Jun 16, 2024 12:07:02 GMT -6
Goodhertz Tupe and Vulf Molot GE Cytomic The Glue and The Scream Fuse VCL-515 and TCS-68 Neold everything Softube Chandler Germanium and Celestion Shaper U-he Satin, Presswerk, and Colour Copy Klanghelm everything but DC8C3 PSP Triple Meter. Not apple silicon compatible though This. I would also add The VCS-1 for that analogue workflow via channel strips. The preamps there are decent and the compressor isn't bad (compared to many other channel strips) |
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Post by itzprime on Jun 16, 2024 12:08:13 GMT -6
I also think that Waves BB Tubes plug sounds awesome. But it got WUP’d out from under me before I ever used it on any actual tracks. 👎 WUP is a deal breaker for me. You are in luck. It is basically just EQ and basic saturation which you can get from gsat + for free.
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Post by jaba on Jun 16, 2024 12:46:52 GMT -6
Goodhertz Tupe and Vulf Molot GE Cytomic The Glue and The Scream Fuse VCL-515 and TCS-68 Neold everything Softube Chandler Germanium and Celestion Shaper U-he Satin, Presswerk, and Colour Copy Klanghelm everything but DC8C3 PSP Triple Meter. Not apple silicon compatible though This. I would also add The VCS-1 for that analogue workflow via channel strips. The preamps there are decent and the compressor isn't bad (compared to many other channel strips) Great suggestions all around. I also use VCS-1 for general track stuff. It's pres, compressor, EQ can definitely point you in the right direction. A great starting point for each track. |
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 16, 2024 12:50:54 GMT -6
Wish I had time to respond to each, so many great suggestions! I did want to say in respect to Mixwave, I recently got their CA-70s which is freakin amazing…I use that all over the place, and I use their drum kits all the time in productions. For Neold, was thinking buying the PA yearly bundle option where you get 6 plugs free, that would basically get me the Neold stuff but now thinking subscription since there’s been some other suggestions for their stuff. Klanghelm, have their MJUC and SDDR, use them all the time. Fuse is definitely on my list. trakworxmastering , dan and Darren Boling , some options in there I’ve never even heard of before, thanks for that…looking forward to doing some research tonight! |
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Post by thehightenor on Jun 16, 2024 12:57:58 GMT -6
Hey y'all, So I'm on a bit of a deep dive plugin hunt lately and would love to get RGO's opinions. I have almost everything UAD, Soundtoys, Fabfilter, Izotope and many one offs from other manufacturers. But since purchasing the Pulsar Modular MDN sidecar and eq (because I absolutely love it) I'm thinking there's probably more really analog sounding plugins from less known devs out there that I'm missing. Looking for colour pieces. Have read good things about Neold and Fuse (love to get your thoughts on those), any others I should be considering? Thanks! Russell I have some really great high end hardware EQ's - tube and solid state. The one plugin that can match my solid state hardware EQ's is the DMG Equilibrium (using it with long impulse lengths) Imho, so fantastic is Equiliburm, I've stopped buying hardware solid state EQ's. |
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 16, 2024 12:59:10 GMT -6
Another company I’ve never heard of, excellent, thank you!
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Post by copperx on Jun 16, 2024 13:05:15 GMT -6
I'll add the TBT Cenozoix compressor.
There's a je ne sais quoi about the compression action of that one. Independent of the accuracy of the models (I find them really good), you can easily see how it clamps down the signal by observing your DAW meters. It's obvious that the dynamic range has been reduced, like when you use an analog piece. Things just sound better going through it.
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Post by itzprime on Jun 16, 2024 13:10:08 GMT -6
Hey y'all, So I'm on a bit of a deep dive plugin hunt lately and would love to get RGO's opinions. I have almost everything UAD, Soundtoys, Fabfilter, Izotope and many one offs from other manufacturers. But since purchasing the Pulsar Modular MDN sidecar and eq (because I absolutely love it) I'm thinking there's probably more really analog sounding plugins from less known devs out there that I'm missing. Looking for colour pieces. Have read good things about Neold and Fuse (love to get your thoughts on those), any others I should be considering? Thanks! Russell I have some really great high end hardware EQ's - tube and solid state. The one plugin that can match my solid state hardware EQ's is the DMG Equilibrium (using it with long impulse lengths) Imho, so fantastic is Equiliburm, I've stopped buying hardware solid state EQ's. Its a good plugin, I prefer the TDR Slick EQ GE with some output distortion |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 16, 2024 13:33:45 GMT -6
I also think that Waves BB Tubes plug sounds awesome. But it got WUP’d out from under me before I ever used it on any actual tracks. 👎 WUP is a deal breaker for me. Can't you just keep the old plug running without updating? It was only like $10 for me from 12 to 14 or whatever. That's an awesome plug, though...I use it on every drumbus |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 16, 2024 13:37:45 GMT -6
Hey y'all, So I'm on a bit of a deep dive plugin hunt lately and would love to get RGO's opinions. I have almost everything UAD, Soundtoys, Fabfilter, Izotope and many one offs from other manufacturers. But since purchasing the Pulsar Modular MDN sidecar and eq (because I absolutely love it) I'm thinking there's probably more really analog sounding plugins from less known devs out there that I'm missing. Looking for colour pieces. Have read good things about Neold and Fuse (love to get your thoughts on those), any others I should be considering? Thanks! Russell Thanks for the heads up on the PM plug...I love Marc D Nelson... |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 16, 2024 13:48:03 GMT -6
I also think that Waves BB Tubes plug sounds awesome. But it got WUP’d out from under me before I ever used it on any actual tracks. 👎 WUP is a deal breaker for me. You are in luck. It is basically just EQ and basic saturation which you can get from gsat + for free.
Wait...we didn't know that this plugin was EQ and saturation? He got 'em! He's so smart! Yet, you can often get this for practically nothing and now won't have to fuck around with a saturation plug and EQ. Does anyone here actually listen to all the marketing hype? Really? I really liked this guy's Aliasing videos, but he was kinda smug in that one. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 16, 2024 13:51:56 GMT -6
Neold U2A
Waves BB Tubes
Pulsar 1178
Magic Death Eye (crashes for me though)
Stealth Limiter
Elysia MusEQ
Sonimus N-Console
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Post by ragan on Jun 16, 2024 14:05:30 GMT -6
I also think that Waves BB Tubes plug sounds awesome. But it got WUP’d out from under me before I ever used it on any actual tracks. 👎 WUP is a deal breaker for me. You are in luck. It is basically just EQ and basic saturation which you can get from gsat + for free.
Cool video. I like to make sure all the gear reviews I watch are at least 60% smug chuckling, so this was right up my alley. I understand what DSP is. I took DSP and Signals and Systems classes like any other EE. I understand what aliasing is, and have to take it very seriously in the hardware I work on at work. But you know when i don't have to take it seriously? When I'm turning a knob on an audio plug-in and seeing if I like the snare drum better. I'm just not a DSP cork sniffer. I use processing (analog or digital) to get me a result. If something gets me the result I want, it stays on. If it doesn't, it comes off. 'iT's jUsT eQ AnD haRMonIcS aNd sOmE coMPrEsSiON!!!!' I mean, no shit. So is every piece of gear we use, analog or digital. If a $10, two-knob plug gets results that I like, effin' sweet. I'll take it. Except for stupid WUP. |
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Post by Dan on Jun 16, 2024 14:35:30 GMT -6
You are in luck. It is basically just EQ and basic saturation which you can get from gsat + for free.
Cool video. I like to make sure all the gear reviews I watch are at least 60% smug chuckling, so this was right up my alley. I understand what DSP is. I took DSP and Signals and Systems classes like any other EE. I understand what aliasing is, and have to take it very seriously in the hardware I work on at work. But you know when i don't have to take it seriously? When I'm turning a knob on an audio plug-in and seeing if I like the snare drum better. I'm just not a DSP cork sniffer. I use processing (analog or digital) to get me a result. If something gets me the result I want, it stays on. If it doesn't, it comes off. 'iT's jUsT eQ AnD haRMonIcS aNd sOmE coMPrEsSiON!!!!' I mean, no shit. So is every piece of gear we use, analog or digital. If a $10, two-knob plug gets results that I like, effin' sweet. I'll take it. Except for stupid WUP. it’s just distortion. Like I don’t care if decapitator aliases. It makes things sound different. I don’t care what hardware it was modeled on. I just don’t care. It’s for making things sound different or applying distortion or a hardware modeled non linear transfer curve (the a ampex model) Vintage warmer is just a complex clipper yet I’ve used it as a fuzz pedal and for vocal distortion. It can be hard to hear in multiband mode set right but still does something cool to the bass and highs. It sounds better than the modeled fuzz plugins and easily better than the Kevin shields endorsed fender blender remake Only when something is a model of something real where you know what it does or is a tool that’s mostly dysfunctional (waves cla 76 for something entirely dysfunctional) it doesn’t behave as expected or doesn’t work, do people seem to care but that but then the internet will shout that the cla 76 of x gear is fine because y mixer is successful and uses it even if his mixes sound totally unnatural. Then there’s stuff like the distorted ssl plugins and of all the outboard ssl pieces I’ve used, like yeah they have a sound, often cleaner than cheap and value engineered interfaces, but the audible distortion was from deliberately non-linear processes like distortion or compression and not some simple or exaggerated circuit model or polynomial wave shaper where there is no way in hell give anyone using waves ssl or ev2 or ssl 4b or 4e or whatever the sound of passing through a bunch of old vcas, underspecced maybe dying coupling caps, fet switches, ne 5532 or 5534, etc and all the other things digital eliminates that are way more complex and low level than a simple distortion algorithm. The plugins are toys except for the ssl native one that has nothing to do with the hardware besides the gui and is just some more distorted and less fucntional what you already own thing. The channel strip compressors and gates sound so bad next to the Oxford dynamics conceived by the g series original strip designer Paul frindle and the ssl native bus comp is just awful next to the glue or Oxford limiter set up like a bus comp. Like the non eq parts of the ssl native in no way sound or function as well as most of their analog equivalents and by that I mean any common analog compressor or gate. The fuse models of weird old pro gear are pretty subtle usually unless they’re pushed when crazy stuff happens. |
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Post by itzprime on Jun 16, 2024 14:57:35 GMT -6
You are in luck. It is basically just EQ and basic saturation which you can get from gsat + for free.
Cool video. I like to make sure all the gear reviews I watch are at least 60% smug chuckling, so this was right up my alley. I understand what DSP is. I took DSP and Signals and Systems classes like any other EE. I understand what aliasing is, and have to take it very seriously in the hardware I work on at work. But you know when i don't have to take it seriously? When I'm turning a knob on an audio plug-in and seeing if I like the snare drum better. I'm just not a DSP cork sniffer. I use processing (analog or digital) to get me a result. If something gets me the result I want, it stays on. If it doesn't, it comes off. 'iT's jUsT eQ AnD haRMonIcS aNd sOmE coMPrEsSiON!!!!' I mean, no shit. So is every piece of gear we use, analog or digital. If a $10, two-knob plug gets results that I like, effin' sweet. I'll take it. Except for stupid WUP. I have no problem if the plugin would have a workflow that makes it easier, but for me it doesn't. |
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Post by itzprime on Jun 16, 2024 15:00:00 GMT -6
Cool video. I like to make sure all the gear reviews I watch are at least 60% smug chuckling, so this was right up my alley. I understand what DSP is. I took DSP and Signals and Systems classes like any other EE. I understand what aliasing is, and have to take it very seriously in the hardware I work on at work. But you know when i don't have to take it seriously? When I'm turning a knob on an audio plug-in and seeing if I like the snare drum better. I'm just not a DSP cork sniffer. I use processing (analog or digital) to get me a result. If something gets me the result I want, it stays on. If it doesn't, it comes off. 'iT's jUsT eQ AnD haRMonIcS aNd sOmE coMPrEsSiON!!!!' I mean, no shit. So is every piece of gear we use, analog or digital. If a $10, two-knob plug gets results that I like, effin' sweet. I'll take it. Except for stupid WUP. it’s just distortion. Like I don’t care if decapitator aliases. It makes things sound different. I don’t care what hardware it was modeled on. I just don’t care. It’s for making things sound different or applying distortion or a hardware modeled non linear transfer curve (the a ampex model) Vintage warmer is just a complex clipper yet I’ve used it as a fuzz pedal and for vocal distortion. It can be hard to hear in multiband mode set right but still does something cool to the bass and highs. It sounds better than the modeled fuzz plugins and easily better than the Kevin shields endorsed fender blender remake Only when something is a model of something real where you know what it does or is a tool that’s mostly dysfunctional (waves cla 76 for something entirely dysfunctional) it doesn’t behave as expected or doesn’t work, do people seem to care but that but then the internet will shout that the cla 76 of x gear is fine because y mixer is successful and uses it even if his mixes sound totally unnatural. Then there’s stuff like the distorted ssl plugins and of all the outboard ssl pieces I’ve used, like yeah they have a sound, often cleaner than cheap and value engineered interfaces, but the audible distortion was from deliberately non-linear processes like distortion or compression and not some simple or exaggerated circuit model or polynomial wave shaper where there is no way in hell give anyone using waves ssl or ev2 or ssl 4b or 4e or whatever the sound of passing through a bunch of old vcas, underspecced maybe dying coupling caps, fet switches, ne 5532 or 5534, etc and all the other things digital eliminates that are way more complex and low level than a simple distortion algorithm. The plugins are toys except for the ssl native one that has nothing to do with the hardware besides the gui and is just some more distorted and less fucntional what you already own thing. The channel strip compressors and gates sound so bad next to the Oxford dynamics conceived by the g series original strip designer Paul frindle and the ssl native bus comp is just awful next to the glue or Oxford limiter set up like a bus comp. Like the non eq parts of the ssl native in no way sound or function as well as most of their analog equivalents and by that I mean any common analog compressor or gate. The fuse models of weird old pro gear are pretty subtle usually unless they’re pushed when crazy stuff happens. What you are giving as an example are unique tools that add something. A complex clipper still adds something. In my opinion and after Testing the BB Tubes doesn't add anything unique or in terms of workflow. That the aliasing isn't working is annoying, but if the plugin would give me something cool or etc then sure, but this doesn't- Fuse and Oxford is on a completely different level than nearly all of Waves |
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