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Post by itzprime on Jun 16, 2024 15:01:21 GMT -6
You are in luck. It is basically just EQ and basic saturation which you can get from gsat + for free.
Wait...we didn't know that this plugin was EQ and saturation? He got 'em! He's so smart! Yet, you can often get this for practically nothing and now won't have to fuck around with a saturation plug and EQ. Does anyone here actually listen to all the marketing hype? Really? I really liked this guy's Aliasing videos, but he was kinda smug in that one. He is a bit smug, because there were quite a bit of reviews calling this a total gamechanger and acting like it is extremely good.
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Post by itzprime on Jun 16, 2024 15:02:50 GMT -6
Also if you can recreate a plugin with a basic EQ + a free distortion plugin - that for me isn't a sleeper analog sounding plugin. The sleeper in that case would be the free GSAT+.
If the BB works for your workflow, nice - but it is far from a good or even sleeper plugin IMO.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 16, 2024 15:06:39 GMT -6
Wait...we didn't know that this plugin was EQ and saturation? He got 'em! He's so smart! Yet, you can often get this for practically nothing and now won't have to fuck around with a saturation plug and EQ. Does anyone here actually listen to all the marketing hype? Really? I really liked this guy's Aliasing videos, but he was kinda smug in that one. He is a bit smug, because there were quite a bit of reviews calling this a total gamechanger and acting like it is extremely good. Didn’t see them. But I’ve used this plug and love it.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 16, 2024 15:07:15 GMT -6
Also if you can recreate a plugin with a basic EQ + a free distortion plugin - that for me isn't a sleeper analog sounding plugin. The sleeper in that case would be the free GSAT+. If the BB works for your workflow, nice - but it is far from a good or even sleeper plugin IMO. Thanks for clearing it up for all of us. Can you give us any more advise?
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Post by Dan on Jun 16, 2024 15:10:36 GMT -6
it’s just distortion. Like I don’t care if decapitator aliases. It makes things sound different. I don’t care what hardware it was modeled on. I just don’t care. It’s for making things sound different or applying distortion or a hardware modeled non linear transfer curve (the a ampex model) Vintage warmer is just a complex clipper yet I’ve used it as a fuzz pedal and for vocal distortion. It can be hard to hear in multiband mode set right but still does something cool to the bass and highs. It sounds better than the modeled fuzz plugins and easily better than the Kevin shields endorsed fender blender remake Only when something is a model of something real where you know what it does or is a tool that’s mostly dysfunctional (waves cla 76 for something entirely dysfunctional) it doesn’t behave as expected or doesn’t work, do people seem to care but that but then the internet will shout that the cla 76 of x gear is fine because y mixer is successful and uses it even if his mixes sound totally unnatural. Then there’s stuff like the distorted ssl plugins and of all the outboard ssl pieces I’ve used, like yeah they have a sound, often cleaner than cheap and value engineered interfaces, but the audible distortion was from deliberately non-linear processes like distortion or compression and not some simple or exaggerated circuit model or polynomial wave shaper where there is no way in hell give anyone using waves ssl or ev2 or ssl 4b or 4e or whatever the sound of passing through a bunch of old vcas, underspecced maybe dying coupling caps, fet switches, ne 5532 or 5534, etc and all the other things digital eliminates that are way more complex and low level than a simple distortion algorithm. The plugins are toys except for the ssl native one that has nothing to do with the hardware besides the gui and is just some more distorted and less fucntional what you already own thing. The channel strip compressors and gates sound so bad next to the Oxford dynamics conceived by the g series original strip designer Paul frindle and the ssl native bus comp is just awful next to the glue or Oxford limiter set up like a bus comp. Like the non eq parts of the ssl native in no way sound or function as well as most of their analog equivalents and by that I mean any common analog compressor or gate. The fuse models of weird old pro gear are pretty subtle usually unless they’re pushed when crazy stuff happens. What you are giving as an example are unique tools that add something. A complex clipper still adds something. In my opinion and after Testing the BB Tubes doesn't add anything unique or in terms of workflow. That the aliasing isn't working is annoying, but if the plugin would give me something cool or etc then sure, but this doesn't- Fuse and Oxford is on a completely different level than nearly all of Waves waves renaissance are very good tools and waves also modeled some weird stuff like the dbx 160, JJP (puigtec and puigchilds) and Eddie kramer bundle (Kramer tape, Helios, pye), bss dpr 402, etc and yeah most of their analog models sound like butt but these are some weird shit. The puig plugs and the Kramer tape sound like insane digital distortion devices. The marketing of the tube thing was idiotic and relies upon naive or opportunistic pros but plugin alliance does it to. Their plugins are generally worse than waves or equivalent for the most part without the good utility plugs. worse offender is the pulse modular hype man selling dysfunctional plugins worse than anything you already own, worse than what comes in your daw which was likely taken from a dsp textbook, and his stuff is quite obviously made by someone who doesn’t know how of these features work on an analog or digital with stupid names on the gui. Like they’ve never read the dsp texts. His stuff is worse than what comes with Pro Tools and Reaper but hey you get a free hoodie when you buy it for 300 bucks! The plugin equivalent of some fan club ticket to a band who cannot play their own songs.
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Post by itzprime on Jun 16, 2024 15:12:15 GMT -6
He is a bit smug, because there were quite a bit of reviews calling this a total gamechanger and acting like it is extremely good. Didn’t see them. But I’ve used this plug and love it. Also the add video is hilarious
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Post by itzprime on Jun 16, 2024 15:16:36 GMT -6
What you are giving as an example are unique tools that add something. A complex clipper still adds something. In my opinion and after Testing the BB Tubes doesn't add anything unique or in terms of workflow. That the aliasing isn't working is annoying, but if the plugin would give me something cool or etc then sure, but this doesn't- Fuse and Oxford is on a completely different level than nearly all of Waves waves renaissance are very good tools and waves also modeled some weird stuff like the dbx 160, JJP (puigtec and puigchilds) and Eddie kramer bundle (Kramer tape, Helios, pye), bss dpr 402, etc and yeah most of their analog models sound like butt but these are some weird shit. The puig plugs and the Kramer tape sound like insane digital distortion devices. The marketing of the tube thing was idiotic and relies upon naive or opportunistic pros but plugin alliance does it to. Their plugins are generally worse than waves or equivalent for the most part without the good utility plugs. worse offender is the pulse modular dipshit selling dysfunctional plugins worse than anything you already own, worse than what comes in your daw which was likely taken from a dsp textbook, and his stuff is quite obviously made by someone who doesn’t know how of these features work on an analog or digital with stupid names on the gui. Like they’ve never read the dsp texts. His stuff is worse than what comes with Pro Tools and Reaper but hey you get a free hoodie when you buy it for 300 bucks! The plugin equivalent of some fan club ticket to a band who cannot play their own songs. agree on the Eddie Kramer plugin ad the waves renaissance tools. As I said nearly all of Waves. Reaper Plugins aren't too bad, as you said there are a lot of worse others here. Back to topic. The apShaper's preset for Guitar Distored Wah is one of the best non analogue I have ever tried.
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Post by Dan on Jun 16, 2024 15:23:15 GMT -6
waves renaissance are very good tools and waves also modeled some weird stuff like the dbx 160, JJP (puigtec and puigchilds) and Eddie kramer bundle (Kramer tape, Helios, pye), bss dpr 402, etc and yeah most of their analog models sound like butt but these are some weird shit. The puig plugs and the Kramer tape sound like insane digital distortion devices. The marketing of the tube thing was idiotic and relies upon naive or opportunistic pros but plugin alliance does it to. Their plugins are generally worse than waves or equivalent for the most part without the good utility plugs. worse offender is the pulse modular dipshit selling dysfunctional plugins worse than anything you already own, worse than what comes in your daw which was likely taken from a dsp textbook, and his stuff is quite obviously made by someone who doesn’t know how of these features work on an analog or digital with stupid names on the gui. Like they’ve never read the dsp texts. His stuff is worse than what comes with Pro Tools and Reaper but hey you get a free hoodie when you buy it for 300 bucks! The plugin equivalent of some fan club ticket to a band who cannot play their own songs. agree on the Eddie Kramer plugin ad the waves renaissance tools. As I said nearly all of Waves. Reaper Plugins aren't too bad, as you said there are a lot of worse others here. Back to topic. The apShaper's preset for Guitar Distored Wah is one of the best non analogue I have ever tried. But those are the most popular waves plugins: the good ones! The CLA and SSL garbage is still semi popular but not as popular. People don’t use them because of Waves central, only getting one license, and WUP. Way worse than ilok. I don’t know what you’re talking about. ReaComp is worse then anything you can buy except for the the abyss and the compressors that don’t compress like the Harrison and Metric Halo channel strip compressors. It is worse than what you can get for free on the internet. It’s worse than what comes with Pro Tools. ReaEQ is worse than any of the recommended or hyped digital eqs but is better than what comes with pro tools except for the awful gui.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 16, 2024 15:33:34 GMT -6
Didn’t see them. But I’ve used this plug and love it. Also the add video is hilarious Yeah. I bought it after seeing that video. My homies love this plug too.
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Post by itzprime on Jun 16, 2024 15:34:51 GMT -6
agree on the Eddie Kramer plugin ad the waves renaissance tools. As I said nearly all of Waves. Reaper Plugins aren't too bad, as you said there are a lot of worse others here. Back to topic. The apShaper's preset for Guitar Distored Wah is one of the best non analogue I have ever tried. But those are the most popular waves plugins: the good ones! The CLA and SSL garbage is still semi popular but not as popular. People don’t use them because of Waves central, only getting one license, and WUP. Way worse than ilok. I don’t know what you’re talking about. ReaComp is worse then anything you can buy except for the the abyss and the compressors that don’t compress like the Harrison and Metric Halo channel strip compressors. It is worse than what you can get for free on the internet. It’s worse than what comes with Pro Tools. ReaEQ is worse than any of the recommended or hyped digital eqs but is better than what comes with pro tools except for the awful gui. Basic misunderstanding. By reaper plugins I meant not only the included ones (ReaEQ is just the bog standard digtal EQ), but the also the JS ones, where there are some excellent ones like ReEQ and the Tukan ones
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Post by itzprime on Jun 16, 2024 15:35:34 GMT -6
Also the add video is hilarious Yeah. I bought it after seeing that video. My homies love this plug too. The power of marketing
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 16, 2024 15:52:27 GMT -6
UAD ATR-102. Not exactly under the radar, but still the most useful plug-in of all for me since 2012. I't's been on every mix since then.
What is a little hidden is it has the best slap back echo I've heard yet.
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Post by nick8801 on Jun 16, 2024 15:56:01 GMT -6
I love Softube’s dirty tape. I think I got free a few years ago. I also dig all the Baby Audio stuff for analog sounding modulation.
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Post by ab101 on Jun 16, 2024 16:02:28 GMT -6
Molot GE has an analog vibe to me.
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Post by phantom on Jun 16, 2024 16:13:18 GMT -6
It's funny that "awful plugins" like Waves CLA76, is used in every mix by big names in the industry, like Serban Ghenea. He's known to only use that as his vocal compressor.
We've probably heard the CLA76 plugin a million times.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jun 16, 2024 16:35:28 GMT -6
You are in luck. It is basically just EQ and basic saturation which you can get from gsat + for free.
Cool video. I like to make sure all the gear reviews I watch are at least 60% smug chuckling, so this was right up my alley. I understand what DSP is. I took DSP and Signals and Systems classes like any other EE. I understand what aliasing is, and have to take it very seriously in the hardware I work on at work. But you know when i don't have to take it seriously? When I'm turning a knob on an audio plug-in and seeing if I like the snare drum better. I'm just not a DSP cork sniffer. I use processing (analog or digital) to get me a result. If something gets me the result I want, it stays on. If it doesn't, it comes off. 'iT's jUsT eQ AnD haRMonIcS aNd sOmE coMPrEsSiON!!!!' I mean, no shit. So is every piece of gear we use, analog or digital. If a $10, two-knob plug gets results that I like, effin' sweet. I'll take it. Except for stupid WUP. oh god this is exactly the post I needed right now. Thanks, Ragan.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 16, 2024 16:35:46 GMT -6
Yeah. I bought it after seeing that video. My homies love this plug too. The power of marketing Watch yourself.
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Post by Dan on Jun 16, 2024 16:36:03 GMT -6
It's funny that "awful plugins" like Waves CLA76, is used in every mix by big names in the industry, like Serban Ghenea. He's known to only use that as his vocal compressor. We've probably heard the CLA76 plugin a million times. There are those of us who do not like his work with its obvious distortion and unnatural transients. He is successful and seems like a nice guy but that does not mean he produces natural sounding work. His types of mixes are why many people buy analog gear or test everything.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 16, 2024 16:38:44 GMT -6
You are in luck. It is basically just EQ and basic saturation which you can get from gsat + for free.
Cool video. I like to make sure all the gear reviews I watch are at least 60% smug chuckling, so this was right up my alley. I understand what DSP is. I took DSP and Signals and Systems classes like any other EE. I understand what aliasing is, and have to take it very seriously in the hardware I work on at work. But you know when i don't have to take it seriously? When I'm turning a knob on an audio plug-in and seeing if I like the snare drum better. I'm just not a DSP cork sniffer. I use processing (analog or digital) to get me a result. If something gets me the result I want, it stays on. If it doesn't, it comes off. 'iT's jUsT eQ AnD haRMonIcS aNd sOmE coMPrEsSiON!!!!' I mean, no shit. So is every piece of gear we use, analog or digital. If a $10, two-knob plug gets results that I like, effin' sweet. I'll take it. Except for stupid WUP. Exactly.
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Post by Dan on Jun 16, 2024 16:42:55 GMT -6
I love Softube’s dirty tape. I think I got free a few years ago. I also dig all the Baby Audio stuff for analog sounding modulation. I love everything in the dirty, bad, and wasted bundle. They do exactly what you want. www.softube.com/products/the-dirty-the-bad-and-the-wasted-collectionThe wasted space verb isn’t as amazing as goodhertx megaverb but I knew I needed it and bad speaker instantly upon demoing them.
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Post by viciousbliss on Jun 16, 2024 16:44:10 GMT -6
Satin Dopamine PA SPL PQ Silver Bullet MKII
I don't really use Molot GE but it compares the best against hardware compressors that I've tried. I'm not really big on a lot of compression in general. I like what the Shadow Hills green plugin and early serial hardware do more than any others I've tried. I've recently added the Green Shadow Hills and PQ onto my busses and was actually able to improve my mixes quite a bit by doing so. Not sure I would list the Green Shadow Hills plugin as a sleeper or anything because it loses a lot of the analog mojo of the hardware. But I'm using it more for the basic dynamics control as opposed to adding mojo to an ITB mix. The Silver Bullet plugin is one of the best for mojo, definitely.
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Post by Dan on Jun 16, 2024 16:47:43 GMT -6
Neold U2A Waves BB Tubes Pulsar 1178 Magic Death Eye (crashes for me though) Stealth Limiter Elysia MusEQ Sonimus N-Console the magic death eye plugs are so cool. First of all the compression is super smooth, like almost too smooth. It can be hard to hear on many tracks. Second the low end is still cleanish but gets this beautifully strange color when you dig in match the volume. It feels like boutique clean tube equipment.
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Post by Dan on Jun 16, 2024 16:58:39 GMT -6
Oh and let’s be real, the softube marhall master volume knobs. The rest might not be there but it feels like an analogue of the analog. These were all on uad. The newer sims are way better.
For softube amp room, those are Kerry king, Lemmy, and Engl II. You might want to use different irs like their Marshall ones or the celestion shaper but these amps sound great.
Mercurial Spark and Neural DSP Fortin Cali rock.
The overloud Marshalls are also really good.
Fuse F59 does the tweed type fart. The fuse pedals are really good too. Subtle to special effect.
The sans amp in pro tools and the old free tse bod were good enough for bass tbh. It’s bass.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 16, 2024 17:09:37 GMT -6
Neold U2A Waves BB Tubes Pulsar 1178 Magic Death Eye (crashes for me though) Stealth Limiter Elysia MusEQ Sonimus N-Console the magic death eye plugs are so cool. First of all the compression is super smooth, like almost too smooth. It can be hard to hear on many tracks. Second the low end is still cleanish but gets this beautifully strange color when you dig in match the volume. It feels like boutique clean tube equipment. Totally agree. I’ve pulled it up before think it must not be doing much and it’s just rocking. Lol. It does honestly remind me of the Stam 660. It too is clean and transparent gain reduction.
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Post by phantom on Jun 16, 2024 17:35:50 GMT -6
the magic death eye plugs are so cool. First of all the compression is super smooth, like almost too smooth. It can be hard to hear on many tracks. Second the low end is still cleanish but gets this beautifully strange color when you dig in match the volume. It feels like boutique clean tube equipment. Totally agree. I’ve pulled it up before think it must not be doing much and it’s just rocking. Lol. It does honestly remind me of the Stam 660. It too is clean and transparent gain reduction. I don't know why I have stopped using it. I used to absolutely love it's action on the mix bus.
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