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Post by ab101 on Oct 26, 2023 15:25:01 GMT -6
This is the worst feedback on a 'clone' I've seen WA receive. From what I can see, the majority of comments seem to be negative, many even prefer the Softube plugin over the WA. I wonder what that will mean for WA, if it will force a rethinking of what they are doing. I imagine this might have economic consequences. Maybe I'm wrong, who knows.. Had not all these youtubers compared it to the actual hardware they are claiming to have copied, things might have gone quite differently! I'm glad this happened tho. I welcome some change in this market. I greatly prefer the sound of the Softube CL1B plugin vs the sound of the Warm from all of the demos I've watched. The plugin does what it's supposed to do and tough to fault for the $$. Somewhat similarly, after Seawell's Voxbox comparison, I bought the plugin and the hardware, both of which are great, albeit a bit different. I just tried the Softube Cl1b Mkii as my UAD plugin, and it was actually very good. |
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Post by bowie on Oct 26, 2023 16:45:31 GMT -6
I'm not a tube expert. Maybe bowie can shed some light on this.
The CL1B and WA1B uses: (1) 12au7/ECC82 & (1) 2ax7/ECC83.
The Tubesessor uses (1) CK5755 & (1) 12BH7A. I wonder why they changed the tubes, and how much that is responsible for the sound differences. It's a nicely built unit with some nice features, but it lacks the depth of the CL1B. That said, I think it got closer when you engage the tube saturation settings.
On anther note, I’ve never loved my voice through any of the CL1B plugins, but man does it work for Emily. Been eying the TubePressor for a while, but it got me thinking about the CL 2A. Anyone here use the Tube Tech CL 2A? I know the optical circuit is different than the CL 1B, but how do they compare sonically? If you’re going to spend this kind of money, 2 channels makes a lot more sense to me. Just curious.
Probably so they can use a higher quality tube than a Russian 12AX7 in the 1st gain stage. That definitely shows commitment to quality as it's more expensive and more of a hassle to source 5755/420A tubes. It shouldn't be an issue for users to replace though. I can't comment on the sound differences as I've learned not rely on youtube or comparison clips any more. I can't count the number of instruments, mics, and other pieces of gear that I bought based on sound clips only to find the clips were not a good representation. It really comes down to the fact that some sources, mic techniques, etc are going to make one piece of gear sound better than another and I'd have missed out on all my favorite gear had I relied on clips. |
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Post by ab101 on Oct 26, 2023 17:33:07 GMT -6
I suppose I should get a Tubesessor in my space, so I can once and for all, know whether it is great or not.
Some dealers are pretty good with returns.
And thank you, Bowie, for such a great post!
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Post by seawell on Oct 26, 2023 20:27:49 GMT -6
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 26, 2023 20:50:00 GMT -6
I have to say, I really don’t love the MKII plug-in. It’s hard to really dial in. I do enjoy the original though. I can use that with my Carbon’s DSP too. |
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Post by ab101 on Oct 26, 2023 21:40:40 GMT -6
Well Vincent, I do hear you on the dial in part. Perhaps somehow I got lucky today and manage to twist some things and got it fairly well tamed and it did sound really good.
But yes, at first, especially with the presets, it needs some dialing in.
I suppose I better save what I did as a preset!
Now the easy one to dial in and lovely is the TDR Molot!
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Post by mike on Oct 27, 2023 11:15:59 GMT -6
Just came across this on Softube's IG. Looks an awful lot like a Tube-Tech knob. MK3 plugin incoming? Mk3 would be cool, but it could be the Multiband also..... |
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Post by paulcheeba on Oct 28, 2023 6:51:28 GMT -6
Yes the Warm makes the Heritage sound classy. The Warm has the Lundahls etc but it sounds thin and tinny.
How do they get that ironic sound with that name?
It will be hoovered up by 25 y/o solo singers that engineer, produce, mix, master and upload to Spotify.
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Post by probably on Oct 28, 2023 7:25:44 GMT -6
Wondering if Stam will make an entrance
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Post by seawell on Oct 28, 2023 9:01:51 GMT -6
Wondering if Stam will make an entrance I hope so! The door is still wide open in my opinion because no one has gotten very close yet. |
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 28, 2023 9:25:23 GMT -6
Wondering if Stam will make an entrance I hope so! The door is still wide open in my opinion because no one has gotten very close yet. I wish Retro would make an LA2A and CL1B. Their STA Level is exceptional. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 28, 2023 12:53:06 GMT -6
Stam or Audio Scape would be a good option if they chose to do it.
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Post by chessparov on Oct 28, 2023 13:54:18 GMT -6
My Vintage Nanocompressor sounds remarkably like an OG CL1B. (When both are turned off) So... Still not for sale. Sorry guys.  Chris |
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Post by probably on Oct 28, 2023 14:47:18 GMT -6
now to wait for the avalon 737sp clones any day (I hope so)
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Post by chessparov on Oct 28, 2023 15:16:42 GMT -6
probably.
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Post by probably on Oct 28, 2023 15:18:24 GMT -6
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Post by chessparov on Oct 28, 2023 15:19:34 GMT -6
"Heeeey Abbbbboooootttt!!". Sorry my humour is so... Limited. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 28, 2023 21:52:01 GMT -6
Well Vincent, I do hear you on the dial in part. Perhaps somehow I got lucky today and manage to twist some things and got it fairly well tamed and it did sound really good. But yes, at first, especially with the presets, it needs some dialing in. I suppose I better save what I did as a preset! Now the easy one to dial in and lovely is the TDR Molot! I think I finally got it working for me. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 30, 2023 10:43:49 GMT -6
Is the UAD CL1b plug-in the same as the Softube?
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Post by skav on Oct 30, 2023 11:09:04 GMT -6
Is the UAD CL1b plug-in the same as the Softube? Yes. From the website: "Developed by Softube, the Tube-Tech CL 1B MkII plug-in for UAD hardware and UA Audio Interfaces is an update of this iconic optical..." Keep in mind that there is a legacy and a mk2 version. The GUI looks different between the two. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 30, 2023 11:12:09 GMT -6
Softtube is on sale but deals will likely get better Black friday .
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 30, 2023 16:47:46 GMT -6
Hmm.. I'll wait to see what Black Friday offers. I wonder if the UAD version is the Mk II version..
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Post by skav on Oct 30, 2023 16:51:29 GMT -6
Hmm.. I'll wait to see what Black Friday offers. I wonder if the UAD version is the Mk II version.. Click THIS LINK for MK2 |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 31, 2023 1:58:39 GMT -6
Thanks skav.
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Post by teejay on Oct 31, 2023 12:29:55 GMT -6
It's all 5-star unicorns and rainbows in the first two Sweetwater reviews.
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