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Post by skav on Oct 22, 2023 16:17:40 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 22, 2023 17:29:29 GMT -6
I was talking to bryce who says he has 3 real ones and of course his clone: he says much harder to tell them apart if you have same tubes in both.
I don’t personally care too much snout the how identical thing, more care about, if i bought the warm for what $1200, would it be good value and useful.
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Post by skav on Oct 22, 2023 17:43:10 GMT -6
I was talking to bryce who says he has 3 real ones and of course his clone: he says much harder to tell them apart if you have same tubes in both. I don’t personally care too much snout the how identical thing, more care about, if i bought the warm for what $1200, would it be good value and useful. Will be interesting to see how much closer people can get by switching tubes. Comparison of insides here
Good video audio comparison of the original, WA and the Softube plugin. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 22, 2023 19:16:21 GMT -6
Well they won’t be identical, can’t be with the different price points, but still revealing to know parts lists.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 22, 2023 19:18:54 GMT -6
I used the CL1b for the first time on a vocal around six months ago. The studio I was in also had all the vintage high end compressors we often discuss here. At first listen, I thought it was too grabby. But when I put it in the track something happened I didn't expect. It just sat there perfectly, sounding way more finished and pro than I'd gotten using the usual vintage cast of characters. The studio owner ranks the Chandler as his favorite compressor, but chose the CL1b for my voice.
In listening to many of the demos online, the Tube Tech does exactly what the one I used did. The Warm still sounded unfinished to me. I wanted the WA1b to be great, wanted it to sound as good as the Tube Tech, even if slightly different, but it just sounded too plain in the middle, as if part of the signal wasn't being compressed. It's been a very impressive rollout and media campaign though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2023 19:36:01 GMT -6
We've played this clone game before. There are a bunch of hardware compressors you can buy for a similar cost per channel that are not made in China and will speed up with greater gain reduction if you do not want to pay for the proper binning of optical sensors.
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Post by peterr on Oct 22, 2023 21:01:10 GMT -6
I used the CL1b for the first time on a vocal around six months ago. The studio I was in also had all the vintage high end compressors we often discuss here. At first listen, I thought it was too grabby. But when I put it in the track something happened I didn't expect. It just sat there perfectly, sounding way more finished and pro than I'd gotten using the usual vintage cast of characters. The studio owner ranks the Chandler as his favorite compressor, but chose the CL1b for my voice. In listening to many of the demos online, the Tube Tech does exactly what the one I used did. The Warm still sounded unfinished to me. I wanted the WA1b to be great, wanted it to sound as good as the Tube Tech, even if slightly different, but it just sounded too plain in the middle, as if part of the signal wasn't being compressed. It's been a very impressive rollout and media campaign though. Agreed with Martin’s take so far. I owned a CL1B many years ago for a fraction of today’s prices and it did do a 5% thing I miss vs the softube. The warm isn’t giving me that in the sample clips… yet. And boy do I want it to! Fwiw my current comp chain is mc77 into AS opto. Still happy with it. |
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Post by drumsound on Oct 22, 2023 23:36:53 GMT -6
But when people insist the KT compressors are garbage I find that silly, for example, having used the good stuff and the cheap stuff extensively, we would have killed for such good sounding affordable gear in the Mackie/ADAT days. Truth. I've said it before, we're in an amazing period of good sounding affordable gear. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 23, 2023 3:38:08 GMT -6
Here is the comparison vid: tube tech, warm and Softube plug in. btw plug in is currently on sale form Softube for $149, might get even cheaper on Black Friday pick your poison: A, B or C ?  |
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 23, 2023 4:23:41 GMT -6
Here is the comparison vid: tube tech, warm and Softube plug in. btw plug in is currently on sale form Softube for $149, might get even cheaper on Black Friday pick your poison: A, B or C ? In my experience of the CL1B hardware being such a generally clean sounding compressor I have found the Softube Powercore plugin to get extremely close in sound and envelope within the kind of GR (3-7dB GR) I would be using. I have noticed serveral other folk saying they have the hardware but don't turn it on anymore and just use the Softube plugin. I can believe it. If you're going to use hardware compressors it makes sense to my mind to use ones that have heaps of character. Plugins are useless imho when it comes to having any significant character - it's not their strong card. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 23, 2023 7:19:45 GMT -6
Is it still available, not seeing it on ST site ?
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Post by ericn on Oct 23, 2023 7:35:12 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 24, 2023 1:39:50 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 24, 2023 1:44:07 GMT -6
So the reference to the Softtube powercore was not the plug in but its format ? I am demoing the current plug in, i’ll watch the price on Black Friday, just had a $2700 car repair: ouch! |
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Post by ericn on Oct 24, 2023 5:43:48 GMT -6
So the reference to the Softtube powercore was not the plug in but its format ? I am demoing the current plug in, i’ll watch the price on Black Friday, just had a $2700 car repair: ouch! Yeah, I just remember a couple of years ago I had to help a guy with a Softube setup and the easiest way to find anything was a google search 😎 Sorry about the repair bill good luck. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 24, 2023 8:17:39 GMT -6
All good, city street construction caused about 1500 of that, good news is car is handling much better!
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Post by bgrotto on Oct 24, 2023 8:32:02 GMT -6
I was talking to bryce who says he has 3 real ones and of course his clone: he says much harder to tell them apart if you have same tubes in both. I don’t personally care too much snout the how identical thing, more care about, if i bought the warm for what $1200, would it be good value and useful. Will be interesting to see how much closer people can get by switching tubes. Comparison of insides here
Good video audio comparison of the original, WA and the Softube plugin. Started watching this to see the guts, finished watching to see the comparison and results. Since I started just to see guts, I was on my laptop speakers. Even there, the Warm was the clear loser of both shootouts. I preferred A by a lot on the guitar, thought B sounded terrible, and thought C only kinda sucked. On vocals, A was best again, B was spitty and weird, and C was good. The attack characteristic of the Warm is wrong...WAY wrong. It's pumpy and spitty and very not-smooth. The TT version does that aggressive transient thing, but without the cheap-sounding roughness. The plugin is somewhere in between. The Warm selling point of "it's like a quarter the price" kinda does more to reinforce folks buy the plugin that it does to buy the Warm hw, IMO. |
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Post by bgrotto on Oct 24, 2023 8:39:52 GMT -6
Just browsed some of the comments on that video..man....I think you could do a comparison of three totally different models, and most YouTubers would declare as loudly as possible that they sounds within 10% of each other. Hell...I practically wanna do an 1176 vs CL1B vs dbx160 video just to prove that point. 🤣
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Post by ericn on Oct 24, 2023 9:38:16 GMT -6
Just browsed some of the comments on that video..man....I think you could do a comparison of three totally different models, and most YouTubers would declare as loudly as possible that they sounds within 10% of each other. Hell...I practically wanna do an 1176 vs CL1B vs dbx160 video just to prove that point. 🤣 YouTube is the new Mix, recording etc. In the old days Magazines and A listers, now it’s everyone with YouTube subscribers, is it better? Well in the old days I could usually score a couple of days with the latest and greatest because I was the conduit to a number of clients. I can’t say who but a manufacturer had a new line of studio amps and they wanted the sample in couple of important peoples hands after the reviewers were done. Well this was a handmade prototype, plug it in and one ch is inverting phase, really obvious on near fields and confirmed with the phase checker. Turns out the bridge switch was mounted upside down, nobody noticed and I know of at least 4 great reviews of this very sample, that had one channel out of phase till I opened it up and literally “ flipped the switch “. |
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Post by seawell on Oct 24, 2023 9:54:31 GMT -6
Just browsed some of the comments on that video..man....I think you could do a comparison of three totally different models, and most YouTubers would declare as loudly as possible that they sounds within 10% of each other. Hell...I practically wanna do an 1176 vs CL1B vs dbx160 video just to prove that point. 🤣 I've found that most people that make those kinds of comments can't hear 90% of what's going on due to their monitors(if they even have any) and lack of room treatment 🤣 |
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Post by ericn on Oct 24, 2023 10:01:25 GMT -6
Just browsed some of the comments on that video..man....I think you could do a comparison of three totally different models, and most YouTubers would declare as loudly as possible that they sounds within 10% of each other. Hell...I practically wanna do an 1176 vs CL1B vs dbx160 video just to prove that point. 🤣 I've found that most people that make those kinds of comments can't hear 90% of what's going on due to their monitors(if they even have any) and lack of room treatment 🤣 It’s always the guy running 3in KRKs who comments about the “Monster Low end”😁 |
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Post by robo on Oct 24, 2023 10:21:38 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 24, 2023 11:09:27 GMT -6
No price, oh oh! |
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Post by ericn on Oct 24, 2023 11:21:15 GMT -6
No price, oh oh! If you have to ask…. |
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Post by drumsound on Oct 24, 2023 12:36:20 GMT -6
I've found that most people that make those kinds of comments can't hear 90% of what's going on due to their monitors(if they even have any) and lack of room treatment 🤣 It’s always the guy running 3in KRKs who comments about the “Monster Low end”😁 Ah... ported monitors... |
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