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Post by jono3 on Oct 24, 2023 12:47:13 GMT -6
Did anyone else find that the Warm sounded harsh and really wrong in the VK video on the singers? On most of the other instruments it was overly dark with squashed transients, namely guitars, snare, and overs. I imagine that they took the time to get it right. This is a hard. hard pass for me.
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Post by skav on Oct 24, 2023 13:33:35 GMT -6
Did anyone else find that the Warm sounded harsh and really wrong in the VK video on the singers? On most of the other instruments it was overly dark with squashed transients, namely guitars, snare, and overs. I imagine that they took the time to get it right. This is a hard. hard pass for me. Yes it's quite easy to hear when comparing it with the CL1B, which has such a smooth top. It's a contrast. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2023 13:38:30 GMT -6
Did anyone else find that the Warm sounded harsh and really wrong in the VK video on the singers? On most of the other instruments it was overly dark with squashed transients, namely guitars, snare, and overs. I imagine that they took the time to get it right. This is a hard. hard pass for me. the breaths sound like crap on the warm. They’d need to be edited out in the daw. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 24, 2023 16:03:52 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Oct 24, 2023 17:24:15 GMT -6
Be afraid, be very afraid ! Don’t fear the Reaper? Had to for Don😜 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2023 17:38:13 GMT -6
Be afraid, be very afraid ! Don’t fear the Reaper? Had to for Don😜 Reaper 7 is out. The gui got even worse. |
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Post by ericn on Oct 24, 2023 20:46:29 GMT -6
It’s always the guy running 3in KRKs who comments about the “Monster Low end”😁 Ah... ported monitors... My Questeds and subs resemble that remark. |
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Post by chessparov on Oct 24, 2023 21:56:52 GMT -6
Personally I prefer a Tom Mix for shootouts. Like that Master Mixer, Lord Admiral "Algae" Font Leroy.
But I'm Old Fashioned.
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Post by seawell on Oct 25, 2023 11:04:15 GMT -6
Heritage added to the mix...
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Post by skav on Oct 25, 2023 11:31:56 GMT -6
Heritage added to the mix... Am I the only one who desire an original after all these WA videos? Hehehe |
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Post by jono3 on Oct 25, 2023 12:30:22 GMT -6
Heritage added to the mix... Interesting. The Heritage fares far better than the Warm, and does sound decent, but still has a pretty different sound to the Tubetech, especially in the release. The Warm has the same 900-4k harshness that was in the VK video. |
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Post by seawell on Oct 25, 2023 12:48:20 GMT -6
Heritage added to the mix... Am I the only one who desire an original after all these WA videos? Hehehe You're not alone haha. I'm starting to think this is why no one cloned this one for so long. I didn't think it was that complicated of a design before but these are 2 pretty big swings and misses in my opinion. So, apparently it's not so easy. Could they be cool compressors on their own?..sure..but how many would they sell if they didn't try and pass them off as Tube-Techs? The whole clone market(plug-ins included) is getting really weird to me. It's not just that they don't sound as good as the originals, it's starting to get to the point where all they really have in common is the faceplate color. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 25, 2023 12:52:16 GMT -6
I thought the Heritage with the tube saturation engaged got fairly close.
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Post by teejay on Oct 25, 2023 13:08:39 GMT -6
Frankly, the only CL1B shootout I would trust as accurate and honest would be one by seawell. |
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Post by ericn on Oct 25, 2023 13:41:21 GMT -6
Heritage added to the mix... Am I the only one who desire an original after all these WA videos? Hehehe I have often wondered if clones help sales of originals. |
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Post by mike on Oct 25, 2023 15:04:39 GMT -6
Am I the only one who desire an original after all these WA videos? Hehehe I think the line of people wanting the tube tech out of these 3 CL1B type choices would be very very long, UNTIL you showed them the current supply chain bottle neck gouge price they'd have to pay, and then the line would become very very small....because there are simply too many good sounding ways to compress audio than to hold your wallet hostage when you don't have to. |
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Post by seawell on Oct 25, 2023 15:10:02 GMT -6
Frankly, the only CL1B shootout I would trust as accurate and honest would be one by seawell . You guys are way too kind to me here ☺️ I will say this in regards to all the shootouts in this thread. I appreciate what they are doing and I know it is very time consuming...but...to do it right in my opinion it is even more time consuming than what was put into these examples. Matching settings by ear certainly has some value but at a minimum I think you have to use test tones and a metering plug in like Klanghelm VUMT to see what amount of gain reduction is actually happening(plug in and even analog meters are not always the most accurate). In other words if I'm hitting around 5-7db of compression on the Tube-Tech VU meter and 5-7db on the Warm or Heritage, they in reality may be compressing wildly different amounts. I could hear that quite a bit in these shoots. Not the fault of the guys that put the effort into this, but I think they just need to go a little further for it to be more accurate. Now if you want to go even further with it, you probably need to involve Plug-In Doctor and try and exactly match the attack and release times as well but that may be getting a little too crazy for most haha. Plus, if you've "accurately recreated" something then why can't I just set the attack, release and threshold the same & get the same sound? 🤣 I think some companies have a looser definition of "accurate" than me. |
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Post by ericn on Oct 25, 2023 16:35:30 GMT -6
Frankly, the only CL1B shootout I would trust as accurate and honest would be one by seawell . You guys are way too kind to me here ☺️ I will say this in regards to all the shootouts in this thread. I appreciate what they are doing and I know it is very time consuming...but...to do it right in my opinion it is even more time consuming than what was put into these examples. Matching settings by ear certainly has some value but at a minimum I think you have to use test tones and a metering plug in like Klanghelm VUMT to see what amount of gain reduction is actually happening(plug in and even analog meters are not always the most accurate). In other words if I'm hitting around 5-7db of compression on the Tube-Tech VU meter and 5-7db on the Warm or Heritage, they in reality may be compressing wildly different amounts. I could hear that quite a bit in these shoots. Not the fault of the guys that put the effort into this, but I think they just need to go a little further for it to be more accurate. Now if you want to go even further with it, you probably need to involve Plug-In Doctor and try and exactly match the attack and release times as well but that may be getting a little too crazy for most haha. Plus, if you've "accurately recreated" something then why can't I just set the attack, release and threshold the same & get the same sound? 🤣 I think some companies have a looser definition of "accurate" than me. And then you find the opto’s react differently and find you’re compensating with attack and release…. |
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 26, 2023 4:58:36 GMT -6
Am I the only one who desire an original after all these WA videos? Hehehe I have often wondered if clones help sales of originals. Plug-ins help the sale of hardware for me. I’ve bought a plugin and thought this sounds really good, I bet the hardware is fantastic. And then bought the hardware to prove myself right |
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 26, 2023 7:15:50 GMT -6
I'm not a tube expert. Maybe bowie can shed some light on this.
The CL1B and WA1B uses: (1) 12au7/ECC82 & (1) 2ax7/ECC83.
The Tubesessor uses (1) CK5755 & (1) 12BH7A. I wonder why they changed the tubes, and how much that is responsible for the sound differences. It's a nicely built unit with some nice features, but it lacks the depth of the CL1B. That said, I think it got closer when you engage the tube saturation settings.
On anther note, I’ve never loved my voice through any of the CL1B plugins, but man does it work for Emily. Been eying the TubePressor for a while, but it got me thinking about the CL 2A. Anyone here use the Tube Tech CL 2A? I know the optical circuit is different than the CL 1B, but how do they compare sonically? If you’re going to spend this kind of money, 2 channels makes a lot more sense to me. Just curious.
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Post by Ward on Oct 26, 2023 7:44:48 GMT -6
Heritage added to the mix...
Bass sounded better on the TubeTech but the War =m was close. I would use either if I didn't have an LA2a available
Acoustic guitar on the warm was weirder than on the Heritage, because the smear on the attack was well.... gross But all 3 don't work on acoustic guitars, not like an LA3a or latter day 1176 does, anyhow.
Vocals the heritage was close to the cL1b . |
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Post by skav on Oct 26, 2023 9:09:02 GMT -6
This is the worst feedback on a 'clone' I've seen WA receive. From what I can see, the majority of comments seem to be negative, many even prefer the Softube plugin over the WA.
I wonder what that will mean for WA, if it will force a rethinking of what they are doing. I imagine this might have economic consequences. Maybe I'm wrong, who knows..
Had not all these youtubers compared it to the actual hardware they are claiming to have copied, things might have gone quite differently!
I'm glad this happened tho. I welcome some change in this market.
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 26, 2023 11:20:56 GMT -6
This is the worst feedback on a 'clone' I've seen WA receive. From what I can see, the majority of comments seem to be negative, many even prefer the Softube plugin over the WA. I wonder what that will mean for WA, if it will force a rethinking of what they are doing. I imagine this might have economic consequences. Maybe I'm wrong, who knows.. Had not all these youtubers compared it to the actual hardware they are claiming to have copied, things might have gone quite differently! I'm glad this happened tho. I welcome some change in this market. I doubt it. Warm isn't trying to sell this to most of us here. They're trying to nab the newbie in their foam filled closet studio who just doesn't know yet, and can't fathom spending thousands of dollars on a single piece of gear. They're most likely already rocking the WA73 and WA800 and can be persuaded that this is final magic piece of their signal chain. Give it a year folks and they'll be a ton of these on the used pages for half the price.
Heritage on the other hand is trying to sell to many of us here.
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Post by jono3 on Oct 26, 2023 11:26:53 GMT -6
This is the worst feedback on a 'clone' I've seen WA receive. From what I can see, the majority of comments seem to be negative, many even prefer the Softube plugin over the WA. I wonder what that will mean for WA, if it will force a rethinking of what they are doing. I imagine this might have economic consequences. Maybe I'm wrong, who knows.. Had not all these youtubers compared it to the actual hardware they are claiming to have copied, things might have gone quite differently! I'm glad this happened tho. I welcome some change in this market. I greatly prefer the sound of the Softube CL1B plugin vs the sound of the Warm from all of the demos I've watched. The plugin does what it's supposed to do and tough to fault for the $$. Somewhat similarly, after Seawell's Voxbox comparison, I bought the plugin and the hardware, both of which are great, albeit a bit different. |
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Post by crillemannen on Oct 26, 2023 11:45:36 GMT -6
Colt Capperunes last video was good.
Herritage was ballsy in a good way. Still acts weird like Colt said but it sounded way better then the other demos floating around . The CL1 was so much smoother then the others though and that is THE sound you'd want if you're after the tubetech sound. The WA was wobbly like all "cheaper" optos I've heard and tried. I'd rather use a plugin.
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