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Post by mcirish on Jul 28, 2023 11:51:10 GMT -6
I like that as well and agree it's a little high. Looks great though. I wonder if he will make them available for earlier mics?
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Post by Ward on Jul 28, 2023 12:29:10 GMT -6
I've been home from work today fighting off a flu, so I took a run at some initial logo directions based on the discussions in this thread. Love the badges especially the last couple. Looks like Ben's gone with this which I like because it's like the middle finger which probably explains his state of mind. ;-) I think the logo is a little too high here and that's the last I'll say. (Edit) except it does look really cool. Very classy, and nothing to SNEEZ at.
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Post by chessparov on Jul 28, 2023 12:43:31 GMT -6
I've been home from work today fighting off a flu, so I took a run at some initial logo directions based on the discussions in this thread. Love the badges especially the last couple. Looks like Ben's gone with this which I like because it's like the middle finger which probably explains his state of mind. ;-) I think the logo is a little too high here and that's the last I'll say. (Edit) except it does look really cool. Oddly enough my first Gig last weekend, with the Doo Wop group I just joined... Named The Five Fingers... was our very last. You see when we were supposed to all take our bows at the end, at the packed Club... Our Middle Finger, the longest member BTW, forgot to take a bow. It was immediately pointed out by the Club manager. (It was thumbs up before that) Right before we otherwise would have received the usual Five Finger discount. On late Happy Hour. Plus we even got stiffed on getting paid! Chris
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Post by guitarheadhunt on Jul 29, 2023 22:02:43 GMT -6
From some of the comments go. I have to agree. Keep the name.. I personally like the name a lot. I do think the big red badge is a little gaudy but I don't mind the smaller red one like the one on my BU67. As one business man to another don't change the name. Any momentum you've gained from word of mouth and marketing would be greatly diminished. I too have thought about changing the name of my business at one point. I ultimately decided not to. I've been operating under the same name since 2004 and had a few different names prior to that. Now my business is established and people know my business name. Word of mouth is my best advertisement.
Personally I think your products is what sells your brand. I love my BU67 mk1 and hope to own more of your mics in the future. I have certainly been eyeballing a few capsules. Keep the name and change your logo. I do like your smaller red logo but must admit it's hard to make out what it says. Like someone already said put your full name Beesneez, mic model and version number on the bottom band of the mic. A redesigned logo and keep the name. Good luck with it all.
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Post by mics on Jul 30, 2023 6:48:31 GMT -6
Thanks so much guys for all the help. I have a few mics to send out to the ideas men. I will go back through the thread and select a few .
It looks like we remain BeesNeez!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2023 10:50:25 GMT -6
Thanks so much guys for all the help. I have a few mics to send out to the ideas men. I will go back through the thread and select a few . It looks like we remain BeesNeez! That's good because BN's are chocolate biscuits, pretty tasty as well to be fair.
P.S best of luck Ben.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jul 30, 2023 12:08:06 GMT -6
From some of the comments go. I have to agree. Keep the name.. I personally like the name a lot. I do think the big red badge is a little gaudy but I don't mind the smaller red one like the one on my BU67. As one business man to another don't change the name. Any momentum you've gained from word of mouth and marketing would be greatly diminished. I too have thought about changing the name of my business at one point. I ultimately decided not to. I've been operating under the same name since 2004 and had a few different names prior to that. Now my business is established and people know my business name. Word of mouth is my best advertisement. Personally I think your products is what sells your brand. I love my BU67 mk1 and hope to own more of your mics in the future. I have certainly been eyeballing a few capsules. Keep the name and change your logo. I do like your smaller red logo but must admit it's hard to make out what it says. Like someone already said put your full name Beesneez, mic model and version number on the bottom band of the mic. A redesigned logo and keep the name. Good luck with it all. 100% agree. This was kind of my first position... don't lose the brand equity that you already have. Improve on it. The product is good, people who know it know that, just needs some tweaks to get more people to take a look (listen).
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Post by drbill on Jul 30, 2023 12:21:56 GMT -6
Thanks so much guys for all the help. I have a few mics to send out to the ideas men. I will go back through the thread and select a few . It looks like we remain BeesNeez! Congrats on the new badge and company upgrades Ben! Best of luck! bp
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Post by antipodesjosh on Jul 30, 2023 14:29:35 GMT -6
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Post by paulcheeba on Jul 30, 2023 14:47:43 GMT -6
One of the funniest films ever. I saw it at the cinema in Ireland and died laughing. A classic.
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Post by mics on Jul 30, 2023 16:00:33 GMT -6
One of the funniest films ever. I saw it at the cinema in Ireland and died laughing. A classic. Talk about a rebranding. What I want to know is; how did Eric Bana ever manage to land a serious role in any film after his display in the Castle! Every time I see him in a movie, all I can think about is “Jousting sticks”. For those of you that don’t understand this reference, watch the movie, it truly explains the accidental success of most Australians!!!$ lol
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Post by wiz on Jul 30, 2023 16:03:59 GMT -6
One of the funniest films ever. I saw it at the cinema in Ireland and died laughing. A classic. It is indeed a true Aussie classic. Many of the lines from that film have become part of the Australian vernacular. "Tell him he's dreaming" "Suffer in your jocks" I often sing "Going to Bonnie Doon" on car trips...8) Every time we see an elephant with its trunk up....8).... "That elephants trunk is up" In Oz its title is "The Castle"... I know in the US it got a different name.. and I think they changed up some of the lines... great great movie cheer Wiz
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Post by chessparov on Jul 30, 2023 16:40:30 GMT -6
Guess maybe even I might like it. I usually don't go for that silly stuff. Chris
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Post by chessparov on Aug 2, 2023 9:46:12 GMT -6
Like Ward has pointed out before... Along with the high quality of the microphones, Ben (and his Family) are the best and most important parts of the business. For example, I feel disappointed about a well known company lately ... That IMHO won't be (already may be) compromising a fine microphone line, they recently purchased. Usually the best "keepers of the mic flame", are Enthusiasts themselves. That have some degree of personal relationship with Music. Not bean counters. Chris
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Post by ab101 on Aug 2, 2023 13:31:48 GMT -6
Like Ward has pointed out before... Along with the high quality of the microphones, Ben (and his Family) are the best and most important parts of the business. For example, I feel disappointed about a well known company lately ... That IMHO won't be (already may be) compromising a fine microphone line, they recently purchased. Usually the best "keepers of the mic flame", are Enthusiasts themselves. That have some degree of personal relationship with Music. Not bean counters. Chris I am thinking of rebranding myself as: checkerstinsley
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Post by gmichael on Aug 2, 2023 16:29:20 GMT -6
Such a relief that the BeesNeez name is staying. Only the brand visuals need a dose of pro branding modernity. The essence and intention of the company is what brought it so far and I like that it has been a slow progression up the ladder of credibility and rapport. I've never seen BeesNeez pull any shady fame gamer dogshit or hustle campaigns to get other people to foot the bill for product launches and call it a success story. Just pure 100% pure grade A Strayan hard ass work and some constant incremental refinements. It's funny I never liked the existing logo, but now as the future for the brand takes form and flight I do have a twitch of nostalgia and sentiment for the soon to be archived logo. It really is more about the people behind the brand, their intentions and the obvious duty of care they have for us clients. That the whole thing has been financially shouldered by it's founder and family is testament to the integrity and belief in the products they make. PLUS, I think there could be a market for "vintage" BeesNeez tee shirts and swag in the very near future!lol Thank you for keeping the name Ben and Veronica! It's been fun texting back and forth about this and I'm really honoured to have had the back and forth experiences with you both. Talk soon cobba' g
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Post by mics on Aug 2, 2023 17:46:45 GMT -6
Probably too late for this to be meaningful to those concerned, but I'll say both the name and the badge had me dismissive of Beesneez the company in the earlier days. I've heard a couple of their mics - Lulu FETs and the Mahalia. Very good mics but in a competitive niche, where all the players are essentially reproducing the same 15-20 designs in a number of variations for 3+ decades and the cost savings aren't so immense that you're patting yourself on the back for getting 90% of the way there for 1/4 of the price. In the past, I felt like why would I spend quite a lot of money on a company that may get the sonics right but everything else is kind of off? It strikes me as more absurd to fork over thousands to companies that don't get marketing, design, etc. correct. It just reads as poor judgment. I think that brand equity is a very overstated concern and in fact can work against you here. Soyuz and AEA proved that you just need to make good stuff, regardless of associations, and the industry and people's ears will rally behind you. And the thing they got right which seemed to help them grow is that the demonstrations were numerous and varied, they were very active in getting their mics heard in pro and non-pro environments and they made it easy for people to get a sense of what their stuff sounded like. So I'd be all for a re-name plus re-brand. Thanks for your comments here. The comparison to AEA and Soyuz are interesting ones for us. Firstly Soyuz; their branding hasn't come through just making decent mics. They have spent more on marketing in their short rise to fame than many companies ever will. Their product placements have been very deliberate and paired with huge dealer incentives, screen and print marketing, they have grown but it is an investment that will be a long time in the red! AEA, a great company too. they entered the market early and at the time, Royer, even though the same but different was their only competition. They grew quite organically and have become a strong company. Success wise, they have both done very well and will be around for sometime. Size wise and market share, though successful, Soyuz and AEA are not large companies. In fact, they are likely no bigger if not actually smaller than BeesNeez. The three companies each have around the 15 - 20 employees and ship a few thousand mics per year. Of course this isn't meant as a measuring contest but merely pointing out a few facts. In hindsight, I can see why we shouldn't try to rebrand and our main focus now will be on the growth and perception of our brand. thanks for helping us with these company comparisons . Cheers. Ben
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Post by paulcheeba on Aug 3, 2023 21:55:47 GMT -6
Hi mics Ben shall I wait to buy a couple of pairs from FJ. Will they stock or order from you? I’d like to support you locally. I have contacts at FJ from buying the whole Soyuz range but my go to guys are usually KMR for hardware.
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 4, 2023 1:57:42 GMT -6
How about X Actually, best wait that one out and see how it works out for another company first Seriously, good idea keeping the name, as the saying goes “a rose by any other name” …. it’s not the name that counts but the product. And anyway, personally speaking I always really liked the name, it’s very unique and original.
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Post by paulcheeba on Aug 4, 2023 2:26:27 GMT -6
Probably too late for this to be meaningful to those concerned, but I'll say both the name and the badge had me dismissive of Beesneez the company in the earlier days. I've heard a couple of their mics - Lulu FETs and the Mahalia. Very good mics but in a competitive niche, where all the players are essentially reproducing the same 15-20 designs in a number of variations for 3+ decades and the cost savings aren't so immense that you're patting yourself on the back for getting 90% of the way there for 1/4 of the price. In the past, I felt like why would I spend quite a lot of money on a company that may get the sonics right but everything else is kind of off? It strikes me as more absurd to fork over thousands to companies that don't get marketing, design, etc. correct. It just reads as poor judgment. I think that brand equity is a very overstated concern and in fact can work against you here. Soyuz and AEA proved that you just need to make good stuff, regardless of associations, and the industry and people's ears will rally behind you. And the thing they got right which seemed to help them grow is that the demonstrations were numerous and varied, they were very active in getting their mics heard in pro and non-pro environments and they made it easy for people to get a sense of what their stuff sounded like. So I'd be all for a re-name plus re-brand. This is garbled nonsense and please do no take anything from it. The name is great, the logo is so much better and by making reasonable new versions of classic’s with your own twists you are winning and have strong fans. One of the things I noticed was that there are quite a lot in Germany which says a lot! How you can be compared to Russian condensers and U.S. Ribbons I have no idea.
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Post by mics on Aug 4, 2023 20:52:03 GMT -6
Thanks for the response, Ben, and I applaud how willing and open you are to read through responses. Even starting the thread and broaching the subject takes guts. And full stop: your mics are great, high value and I have used them on many sessions in studios around NYC. Just thought I'd offer my honest take regarding why I never purchased back in the day, realizing that rebranding is also a major expense.
You're right. Soyuz and AEA seem to have some marketing weight behind them which is a hard game to play. There is no question the SEO / ad / video budget they must have is significant. As Paul noted, they do also play in a much less crowded field of Russian/Russian-inspired designs and ribbons - so maybe that specificity helped them and sparked the novelty-seeking lust in most studio owners and musicians. As I said earlier, what I would take away from both companies, though, is how much they helped the average buyer find out what their mics sounded like. Ordered playlists on soundcloud, youtube, tik tok, etc. Demos with multiple sources, etc. separating the demo from the technical info. My personal preference has always been one video with just music, no talking, and another with in-depth details - and my guess is that aligns with most people doing a quick youtube/soundcloud search to satisfy their curiosity.
As a counter-example from two years ago: before I used, say, an Upton 251, to pick a recent mic, it felt like such a chore just to find any decently-recorded example of what it sounded like. (There was Christian's video, a handful of wavs from this forum and that's it, haha.) I had a sense of why people liked 251s, but I had never used one. The first time I really got a sense of what it sounded like was working at a studio and putting the mics on the piano myself! It's a fantastic mic but I think that should never happen in this era. I realize most mic makers are busy people and it's expensive to invest in marketing. But is it harder and less effective than it used to be? I don't know. Seems like buying an ad in Tape Op, SoS, etc. was far more wishful thinking but I don't have the expertise to say if that's correct.
I really liked your recent Instagram post about the process of building the mics. If you or an employee can document as much as possible, make the company feel alive and vivid on social media (as irksome as it may be), from the process to the people to the sound and measurement, these things do help, especially with younger musicians, engineers who are DIY. Along with others here, I've been on audio forums for a few decades now and I always remember you as an affable, generous, knowledgeable and polite person - I think you can give a lot of people that same impression at a faster rate using social media as a tool, staying consistent with your values.
As an example of a social media account that I think is very effective and wonderful and added value to my life, yesterday, I randomly came across a young amp tech / builder in Philadelphia named Rootbeer Audio. Nothing unique, there are plenty of similar accounts, but he goes through a lot of his repair work, documents what was wrong and odd, talks about his own experience with amps in each synopsis and you can tell he really loves this work and thoughtful. He also often takes clear and detailed photos with good lighting. I was fascinated by his posts for a good 40 minutes purely because he's seen a lot, has opinions on what he likes and his account is like a museum of sorts. And that also made me more willing to look at his products because I know he's coming from a place of conviction and some level of experience.
www.instagram.com/rootbeeraudioSo similarly, I think many others, via social media, would be curious about, say, the BC12A and the challenges of producing it, your thoughts on how you approached it, etc. Ultimately, that might sound like a lot of extra work to you so I get it if more mic and shop talk is the last thing you want to do at the end of the day, but I think if people get a sense of enthusiasm from a manufacturer they see as a living breathing person making great tools, they gradually become more willing to buy. Maybe I'm pie in the sky and naive in my thinking here but I hope this is of some use to you. This is a challenging environment for all of us in a variety of ways.
Thanks for your very well thought out response. I really appreciate your points and can definitely see the advantages in what you are saying. Over the coming months, we do plan to make more videos of the manufacturing process and certainly more samples will be very helpful too. A day can be very long in the factory and you're right; the last thing you feel like doing is making social media angled videos but in today's environment , we can see the benefits. Just Yesterday, we uncrated our new SMD line and over the next 12 months or so, we will be working toward utilising this technology to allow us more time to assemble mics rather than stuffing pcb's as this is a painstaking and slow process that can be dramatically reduced once we have these machines running at their full potential. We hope to save over 10,000 man hours each year. This valuable time can then be focussed to assembly and more testing stations to further increase the production of our awesome mics. For those of you who might be worried that an SMD could equal a reduction in quality, don't stress. We aren't using any SMD chip components. We have had Specially made, legless standard discreet components as this will actually improve QC and Speed without affecting sonics. Our PCB components will still be from the same manufacturers but will have end caps rather than legs. (on a side note, I am also hoping to use the SMD oven to bake a Pizza or two in it's down time!) I will take some videos and pictures once these Bad Boys are up and running. thanks again. Ben
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Post by mics on Aug 4, 2023 20:57:35 GMT -6
Hi mics Ben shall I wait to buy a couple of pairs from FJ. Will they stock or order from you? I’d like to support you locally. I have contacts at FJ from buying the whole Soyuz range but my go to guys are usually KMR for hardware. Hi Paul. Funky are going to do a great job with the mics and we really want to support them. If you want a few matched pairs, let me know. You can buy them through our site and that way I'll know that I need to match them for you, I will give the sale credit To FJ as they are planning to become a full stocking dealer and this is the type of partnership we want and will work hard to maintain. Thanks for being a great voice for our mics. If there is anything we can do, please let me know. Ben
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Post by mics on Aug 4, 2023 21:00:03 GMT -6
Probably too late for this to be meaningful to those concerned, but I'll say both the name and the badge had me dismissive of Beesneez the company in the earlier days. I've heard a couple of their mics - Lulu FETs and the Mahalia. Very good mics but in a competitive niche, where all the players are essentially reproducing the same 15-20 designs in a number of variations for 3+ decades and the cost savings aren't so immense that you're patting yourself on the back for getting 90% of the way there for 1/4 of the price. In the past, I felt like why would I spend quite a lot of money on a company that may get the sonics right but everything else is kind of off? It strikes me as more absurd to fork over thousands to companies that don't get marketing, design, etc. correct. It just reads as poor judgment. I think that brand equity is a very overstated concern and in fact can work against you here. Soyuz and AEA proved that you just need to make good stuff, regardless of associations, and the industry and people's ears will rally behind you. And the thing they got right which seemed to help them grow is that the demonstrations were numerous and varied, they were very active in getting their mics heard in pro and non-pro environments and they made it easy for people to get a sense of what their stuff sounded like. So I'd be all for a re-name plus re-brand. This is garbled nonsense and please do no take anything from it. The name is great, the logo is so much better and by making reasonable new versions of classic’s with your own twists you are winning and have strong fans. One of the things I noticed was that there are quite a lot in Germany which says a lot! How you can be compared to Russian condensers and U.S. Ribbons I have no idea. Thanks aGain Paul. We love our German sales and every time one comes in we are quite chuffed. We have now more than 55,000 mics being used in the market place that we have sold since we started. We'd love to sell that many every year; one can dream...... Ben
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Post by ericn on Aug 8, 2023 9:11:29 GMT -6
Thanks for the response, Ben, and I applaud how willing and open you are to read through responses. Even starting the thread and broaching the subject takes guts. And full stop: your mics are great, high value and I have used them on many sessions in studios around NYC. Just thought I'd offer my honest take regarding why I never purchased back in the day, realizing that rebranding is also a major expense.
You're right. Soyuz and AEA seem to have some marketing weight behind them which is a hard game to play. There is no question the SEO / ad / video budget they must have is significant. As Paul noted, they do also play in a much less crowded field of Russian/Russian-inspired designs and ribbons - so maybe that specificity helped them and sparked the novelty-seeking lust in most studio owners and musicians. As I said earlier, what I would take away from both companies, though, is how much they helped the average buyer find out what their mics sounded like. Ordered playlists on soundcloud, youtube, tik tok, etc. Demos with multiple sources, etc. separating the demo from the technical info. My personal preference has always been one video with just music, no talking, and another with in-depth details - and my guess is that aligns with most people doing a quick youtube/soundcloud search to satisfy their curiosity.
As a counter-example from two years ago: before I used, say, an Upton 251, to pick a recent mic, it felt like such a chore just to find any decently-recorded example of what it sounded like. (There was Christian's video, a handful of wavs from this forum and that's it, haha.) I had a sense of why people liked 251s, but I had never used one. The first time I really got a sense of what it sounded like was working at a studio and putting the mics on the piano myself! It's a fantastic mic but I think that should never happen in this era. I realize most mic makers are busy people and it's expensive to invest in marketing. But is it harder and less effective than it used to be? I don't know. Seems like buying an ad in Tape Op, SoS, etc. was far more wishful thinking but I don't have the expertise to say if that's correct.
I really liked your recent Instagram post about the process of building the mics. If you or an employee can document as much as possible, make the company feel alive and vivid on social media (as irksome as it may be), from the process to the people to the sound and measurement, these things do help, especially with younger musicians, engineers who are DIY. Along with others here, I've been on audio forums for a few decades now and I always remember you as an affable, generous, knowledgeable and polite person - I think you can give a lot of people that same impression at a faster rate using social media as a tool, staying consistent with your values.
As an example of a social media account that I think is very effective and wonderful and added value to my life, yesterday, I randomly came across a young amp tech / builder in Philadelphia named Rootbeer Audio. Nothing unique, there are plenty of similar accounts, but he goes through a lot of his repair work, documents what was wrong and odd, talks about his own experience with amps in each synopsis and you can tell he really loves this work and thoughtful. He also often takes clear and detailed photos with good lighting. I was fascinated by his posts for a good 40 minutes purely because he's seen a lot, has opinions on what he likes and his account is like a museum of sorts. And that also made me more willing to look at his products because I know he's coming from a place of conviction and some level of experience.
www.instagram.com/rootbeeraudioSo similarly, I think many others, via social media, would be curious about, say, the BC12A and the challenges of producing it, your thoughts on how you approached it, etc. Ultimately, that might sound like a lot of extra work to you so I get it if more mic and shop talk is the last thing you want to do at the end of the day, but I think if people get a sense of enthusiasm from a manufacturer they see as a living breathing person making great tools, they gradually become more willing to buy. Maybe I'm pie in the sky and naive in my thinking here but I hope this is of some use to you. This is a challenging environment for all of us in a variety of ways.
Thanks for your very well thought out response. I really appreciate your points and can definitely see the advantages in what you are saying. Over the coming months, we do plan to make more videos of the manufacturing process and certainly more samples will be very helpful too. A day can be very long in the factory and you're right; the last thing you feel like doing is making social media angled videos but in today's environment , we can see the benefits. Just Yesterday, we uncrated our new SMD line and over the next 12 months or so, we will be working toward utilising this technology to allow us more time to assemble mics rather than stuffing pcb's as this is a painstaking and slow process that can be dramatically reduced once we have these machines running at their full potential. We hope to save over 10,000 man hours each year. This valuable time can then be focussed to assembly and more testing stations to further increase the production of our awesome mics. For those of you who might be worried that an SMD could equal a reduction in quality, don't stress. We aren't using any SMD chip components. We have had Specially made, legless standard discreet components as this will actually improve QC and Speed without affecting sonics. Our PCB components will still be from the same manufacturers but will have end caps rather than legs. (on a side note, I am also hoping to use the SMD oven to bake a Pizza or two in it's down time!) I will take some videos and pictures once these Bad Boys are up and running. thanks again. Ben I’m waiting for the first “ my mic smells like pizza post😁
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Post by Ward on Aug 8, 2023 9:16:03 GMT -6
I’m waiting for the first “ my mic smells like pizza post😁 But how does it sound in doubly?
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