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Post by mics on Jun 27, 2023 2:41:31 GMT -6
For many years now, we have been hearing from customers that our badge is too big or the wrong shape. We have also heard time and time again that our brand name is perhaps a little off putting. We don't enter into this lightly; but maybe we should consider a change to BPA from BeesNeez. We could redesign our badge and slowly work toward a full change over.
What is the nail that has spurred our decision to maybe change branding? I have seen a thread on the Purple Forum where some well known industry types have stated that our branding is "Prosumer". This is concerning for us as we are currently the worlds largest manufacturer of OEM capsules outside of china and we supply parts to many companies. We feel that our products are among the best ever made feel that our branding should also reflect this.
To you guys here; is BPA with a newly designed badge, something that could maybe lift our image and set at ease many who plainly refuse to hang our mics in their studios due to the name BeesNeez and our current badge design.
I really respect you all here and would love to spit ball with you all regarding this. we are not proud so don't hold back. In saying that, don't be mean either as that is never constructive. Be frank and honest and help us out. If we decide to go down that track, I'll let you guys design the badge for us and remunerate with gear for doing so.
thanks
Ben
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Post by christophert on Jun 27, 2023 2:56:32 GMT -6
Anything will work if you are putting out quality mics. But, yeah, the badges are always too big and loud for me. I (visually) prefer beautiful looking microphones, the amazing metal work etc, where the badge is minimal in size, and not pushing for attention. So BPA is a better size than BeezNeez to fit on a smaller badge. Each to their own
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Post by chessparov on Jun 27, 2023 3:05:13 GMT -6
See my PM. Thanks, Chris
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Post by crillemannen on Jun 27, 2023 3:08:58 GMT -6
Hi, it takes allot of currage to go out in a public forum and ask for opinions. Very cool of you so I'm going to be completely honest.
The logo is pretty awful and screams at you for all the wrong reasons. Maybe rework it and go with a more classic art deco style logo? Personally I love the subtlety in the vintage Telefunken and Neumann badges (not large badge 47 though!) If your badge was smaller and in black and chrome or brushed steel it would probably look quite nice.
For the name thats a tricky one. I mean if you analyze most brand names they can be pretty awful and are more judged by their success. Beesnez sounds like a bad brand pitch, although it makes sense after reading your post over at GS. Maybe go with either the family name or like BVS?
I wouldn't mind trying out some of your mics 🙈 Good luck!
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 27, 2023 3:49:29 GMT -6
I'm going to split the middle here.
The badge is definitely pretty big, no argument there. But I'd be careful about changing the name. If you were starting a brand new business, maybe... but at this point BeesNeez is fairly well known for high quality at least among those of us who follow the boutique audio world. Your biggest risk in a re-brand is that you are forgotten and you lose the positive brand equity that you've built up.
Redesigning the badge might be a good idea though. I can see that.
Also, I would be really careful about putting too much stock in any Internet forum, including this one. The problem with these forums is it can make it seem like there is more consensus behind a thought than there really is. So on this thread on the "purple site" that are we talking about... like one dude who says he wouldn't buy your mic? Maybe two or three? I'm skeptical that that's even true and if it's true at all, probably not more than a small handful of folks.
So don't go crazy. Most of these people have never started a business. You're better off doing what you do and ignoring the people who probably wouldn't have bought your product anyway.
Oh yeah, and whatever you do... don't name it BPA. In the USA at least that has a very negative connotation as a harmful chemical that is found in plastics and can leech into food/beverage. Bottles are literally advertised as "BPA free". Don't associate your name with that.
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Post by mics on Jun 27, 2023 4:00:37 GMT -6
Hmm. some great food for thought guys!
What about a line in the sand and Keeping BeesNeez on the case etc but on the mic, a simple badge BN
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Post by crillemannen on Jun 27, 2023 4:19:11 GMT -6
Hmm. some great food for thought guys! What about a line in the sand and Keeping BeesNeez on the case etc but on the mic, a simple badge BN If you want to differentiate the lineup you could go with a something different for say a high-end lineup. The name is by all means ok. Go with a more classic, discrete logo and you'll be fine. I do agree that the ones commenting online usually doesn't represent the general opinion.
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Post by christophert on Jun 27, 2023 4:27:44 GMT -6
BN badge could be classy. You can put the info / serial number on a strip around the base of the mic / or under. Yes, it is the Neumann approach, but it works / gives you the info when needed. IMO - microphones are like amazing trophies, collections of classy designs.
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Post by thehightenor on Jun 27, 2023 4:44:25 GMT -6
My humble opinion.
My mum always told me "a rose by any other name" .... that said,
I like BeesNeez in as much as it stands out, but yes as a man married to a Kiwi lady who bought our kids Buzzy Bee Toys I can understand your concern about the name sounding "prosumer" and a touch trivial compared to the majesty and fine reputation of your mic and capsule range.
Personally speaking, and as you're canvassing for opinion and I would advice against going with BPA.
That's a very generic name, it makes me think of an industrial engineering firm. BPA Pumps. BPA Drainage. BPA Racing.
I'm not keen on abbreviations.
Have proper a name, a strong name .... Rode mics has worked well for them. Short, sounds like a company going somewhere "Road"
Blue mics that worked .... Blue is the sky - big, sunny, warm and beautiful.
The psychology behind this stuff really matters imho.
If you're going to go through name and logo change, I think it's going to require some serious think tank sessions with family and friends and perhaps some money on the table for a professional marketing expert.
Try using a spider diagram with your name and product as the centre and just freely associate words without thought and see what comes from your sub conscious.
Good luck!!
You make amazingly great mics!
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Post by lowlou on Jun 27, 2023 4:49:53 GMT -6
Sometimes, look matters, yes. Singers have the logo and brand name right in their faces when they record. It has to be taken into account. I can't buy a mic if the name is funny, and the logo is a bit weird, and big and shiny, with several saturated colours. To me it's off-puting ! (not talking about Beezneez totally specifically, even if it kind of applies, but just generally). I swear some mics are just a torture to look at and sing into, and I think it can even influence performances. Mic should look functional and disappear in the eye of the performer. "No logo" on mics is even something I'd consider. Or logo on the back of the mic ! Or on the power supply.
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Post by sean on Jun 27, 2023 5:10:52 GMT -6
BPA is also very close to BSA which might cause confusion
I don’t think Beezneez is as off putting as Flea.
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Post by nick8801 on Jun 27, 2023 5:16:01 GMT -6
Man I’ve always dug the looks of your mics with the big logo! If it’s that off putting for people maybe just make it smaller? I like the name too!
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Post by mcirish on Jun 27, 2023 5:49:27 GMT -6
I would keep the name and just redesign the badge to be smaller with a BN on it. The name does not bother me and you have worked for years in promoting it. A full name change would set you back and you would have to build that brand name. I agree though that a smaller badge in black and silver would fit the industry look a bit better. Personally, I don't care but I can see how it might bother some others. You make really great mics and capsules. You are already known. Don't change the name.
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Post by jaba on Jun 27, 2023 6:53:26 GMT -6
First of all, love my Beesneez mic.
Secondly, at least around here, BPA is a chemical that many companies go out of their way to say is not present in their products (plastic bottles is most common).
A name change is a big move for sure. If you do go that direction, I like the suggestion of just using BN. Less of a huge shift and if the logo is similar, would likely lead to less confusion.
I don't mind the badge at all, but also like the idea of a smaller, classically simple design, one I'm sure could just be a variation on what you already have.
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Post by ragan on Jun 27, 2023 7:23:56 GMT -6
I’ve always dug the name (with the connection to your last name) and the badge. BPA sounds boring to me and, as mentioned above, evokes cheap plastics you try to avoid.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 27, 2023 7:31:00 GMT -6
Keep the name, and switch the badge to a BN, if you change at all.
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Post by ragan on Jun 27, 2023 7:42:10 GMT -6
re: "it's prosumer"...I think that's silly. It's the product, not the name. The name takes on whatever qualities the product has and becomes synonymous with them. Lots of cheap lines of gear with names that are trying to convey anything but that. It doesn't work because the products don't evoke anything other than what they really are. Same for the converse. I don't think of abstract things when I think of Flea or Heiserman or Beesneez, I just think of whatever I've come to associate with those mics.
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Post by anders on Jun 27, 2023 7:42:20 GMT -6
I consider your mics to be slightly more serious than the current name might suggest.
I would, though, avoid BPA, as it is very close to DPA Microphones (formerly Brüel & Kjær) – a brand which is quite big in Europe, maybe especially within TV broadcasting and professional stage use.
BN is nice, though.
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Post by klangfarben on Jun 27, 2023 8:04:00 GMT -6
Hmm. some great food for thought guys! What about a line in the sand and Keeping BeesNeez on the case etc but on the mic, a simple badge BN I think that's a great idea.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 27, 2023 8:11:36 GMT -6
Hmm. some great food for thought guys! What about a line in the sand and Keeping BeesNeez on the case etc but on the mic, a simple badge BN I was going to suggest that. That makes sense if anyone is worried about client perception.
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Post by timcampbell on Jun 27, 2023 8:23:13 GMT -6
Ben I think the BN badge would be great without a name change since you have built up such goodwill and history.
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Post by ericn on Jun 27, 2023 8:26:11 GMT -6
Rebranding is hard and expensive, plus you’re never going to please everyone. Honestly more people will probably complain if you change and don’t take their personal favorite to heart.
Personally I like Beesneez, it always puts a smile on my face, not much fun I the microphone space ( I always consider those Gibson Bumblebee mics to be a sign of respect to your branding) who has any Humor in the mic world You and Flea? Otherwise it’s a bunch of old guys names ( save Sneezby brand till you sell your first company). As far as badges, maybe start with the Tribute and come up with something that looks expensive and designates the various series. It will be interesting if you do make any changes to watch the used market and see if the originals are valued differently. As far as off putting names let’s not forget that in your little corner of our world, “ the Hittler mic “ is still a very desirable piece of kit, talk about an off putting moniker.
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Post by mike on Jun 27, 2023 9:14:54 GMT -6
I think it says allot about you to ask for constructive feedback Ben. While I'd keep the name you've built a successful history on and go with a smaller BN badge, I'll add this thought meant for encouragement, that whatever we do in life, 10% of the people will like us no matter what, and 10% won't no matter what. And I'd guess a few posters on a purple thread fall into that category of 10% or less in your very successful context of the whole. FWIW
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Post by bentley on Jun 27, 2023 9:51:00 GMT -6
From simply an aesthetic standpoint, the black widow style logo and it's proportion to the mic bodies is visually distracting. I'm with everyone else that a rebranding is a bit much but simply using "BN" and a less intrusive badge design could help. People shop with their eyes more than anything.
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Post by notneeson on Jun 27, 2023 9:57:28 GMT -6
It seems like the bigger success is just naming your mics like the BU67 with an obvious connection to the historic model.
Which is funny, because folks complain about wanting manufactures to make something new and then the market just responds more to recreations.
And I’m saying this as a fan of the Arabella. Killer microphone.
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