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Post by donr on Jun 27, 2023 10:11:51 GMT -6
The brand has acquired hard earned and deserved capital. Wouldn't change it, especially for initials that are too close to DPA, or otherwise meaningless.
Why not scale the logo down to a smaller, horizontal orientation, chrome and black (or red,) similar to the Everlast boxing gear logo. Two rivets, not four, or adhesive. Wouldn't matter if you had to squint to read it. Your customers already know your brand name.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2023 10:12:25 GMT -6
Yeah - I have to be honest, the association I’ve made (I realize it’s not fair) with “this mic is the bees knees!” has influenced my perception over the years. I think the idea of changing the badge to the letters is a good one.
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Post by tonygunz21 on Jun 27, 2023 10:35:20 GMT -6
These mics are very elegant, and the logo doesn't quite match up. Purely as a logo, I quite like it, but it looks like it would be more suitable for an energy drink, or a clothing company that's affiliated with mixed martial arts. It kinda gives me Crunch Fitness vibes. I applaud you for asking for honest feedback. Personally, the logo hasn't stopped me from buying your mics. The sound and build quality really speaks for itself. People seem to love the diamond shaped badge, and I'm not saying that's what your mics need to have, but if I were in your shoes I'd look into changing it to something a bit more elegant/traditional. As far as the name goes, I think it's so well established that changing it may be confusing to some. That would take an entire re-branding campaign and informing the entire market. Whenever I hear that Beesneez came out with a new mic, I'm already so familiar that I'm immediately interested. If I saw that "BPA" came out with a new mic, I'd probably think someone mis-keyed and meant DPA. Whatever you decide, I really wish you the best.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 27, 2023 10:39:29 GMT -6
As far as badges, maybe start with the Tribute and come up with something that looks expensive and designates the various series. 100% And you could even work on your messaging and how you frame the product to encourage people to use the product name first. So an engineer says "let's try a Tribute on this vocal etc etc." If you really wanted to experiment you could go with wording like "Tribute by BeesNeez" in your marketing materials. Don't laugh! I know it sounds cheesy but that's a tried and true technique to add gravitas to a brand. It's a cliche for a reason! Tribute 49 by BeesNeez
Now I want to buy one, I'm selling myself!
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Post by drumsound on Jun 27, 2023 10:57:00 GMT -6
Hmm. some great food for thought guys! What about a line in the sand and Keeping BeesNeez on the case etc but on the mic, a simple badge BN I've definitely said publicly I am not a fan of the logo and especially it's size on most of your models. That said I have respect for what you do and create and want to see you (and cats like you) continue to be successful. A smaller BN on the mics, or even a simplified and smaller full name would appeal to me and I'm sure a lot of others. I would also suggest altering the placement. Most of your mics have it right under the capsule which is where the singer is facing. Putting it down near the connector would also be helpful, IMHO. What I have always thought was cool about your brand was the different colored bodies. So many mics are black or silver, and I am all for some color in microphones.
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Post by Omicron9 on Jun 27, 2023 11:00:35 GMT -6
To be honest, I've never liked your company name. Not entirely sure why; maybe because it's a pun on your name, or it's not serious, and it makes me think that the company behind it isn't turning out serious mics. I know that last part is not true; I've read too many positives from peers I know and respect. But, if I didn't know anything about your company or reputation, it's really hard to take that name seriously.
The logo is truly off-putting at best. In a way, I think the garishness of the logo almost underscores the (perceived) lack of seriousness in the company name. On top of that, it's huge. So for me, it's not only garish and emphasizes a questionable company name, it does so on a grand in-your-face scale. I've looked at purchasing your mics in the recent past, and I had thought more than once "I wonder if I could remove the logo" when I was thinking of buying your mics.
And again: this is just one person's opinion. I really do wish you and the company nothing but crazy good success, and if I didn't, I wouldn't take the time to post this; I hope it is received in the helpful spirit in which it's shared.
All the best to you and the company, Ben. -09
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Post by copperx on Jun 27, 2023 11:53:48 GMT -6
BPA is also very close to BSA which might cause confusion It's also not too far from DPA. Also, BPA is the stuff you should avoid in plastic containers. I'd say keep your business BPA-free.
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Post by phdamage on Jun 27, 2023 12:05:03 GMT -6
I agree with what a few folks here have already said - keep the name. I think you have a great rep and it would hurt you to lose that. Badge, I personally don't care about, but I can see how some folks would take issue with it. Maybe just try a new badge?
Before I bought my first Beesneez mic, my (first) BU67, I had always thought of the company being rather high end - in my more broke past, out of my price range (granted, the exchange rate at the time may have had some impact on that). Wishing I had taken the plunge on some of your less expensive mics long ago! I doubt I would have been disappointed.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2023 12:54:13 GMT -6
To be honest, I've never liked your company name. I get it though...realgear online sounds like 1995. Wish I had given it more thought 10 years ago lol.
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Post by hadaja on Jun 27, 2023 13:14:34 GMT -6
Maybe look at the logo as a tweak and not a whole big lot of change. Place the Framework in your mind as you are just making a refinement to the logo. Secondly get a quality logo replacement. What would be worse then changing the logo is getting a whole new logo that sucks. Dont do it yourself. Dont give it to a fiver company to make. Be clear on what elements you want your new logo to have and to represent.. then when people complain or offer suggestions about your new logo you can have the confidence to say i did this because this represents this in the logo and that represents that in the logo, which is what my business is about. Having that confidence to tell people the why about the new logo design and the refined company direction, then enlightens people too come over to your way of thinking and the they will explain it to others in conversations they have about your products. also, this could be a great time to really look at what products work for you and which prodcts dont. Dump the products that dont work. Dont let FOMO cntrol your business decisions. Cncentrate what works and what you actually want. you have been in this business long enough to know what you want and what you are not going to settle for. its a great opportunity to take the time to refne. If you need to talk more about it, let me know.
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Post by ab101 on Jun 27, 2023 14:20:56 GMT -6
My 2 cents. I like BeN - small e in the middle. That way it is about your first name and about BeesNeez. Also, prefer a smaller logo with bluish or greyish color.
Good luck Ben. You are an amazing person!
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Post by Omicron9 on Jun 27, 2023 14:26:46 GMT -6
To be honest, I've never liked your company name. I get it though...realgear online sounds like 1995. Wish I had given it more thought 10 years ago lol. Johnkenn, Actually, I think realgearonline is a fine name. -09
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Post by wiz on Jun 27, 2023 14:55:14 GMT -6
Keep the name...change the badge
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Post by ironinthepath on Jun 27, 2023 15:10:21 GMT -6
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Post by gmichael on Jun 27, 2023 15:26:27 GMT -6
For many years now, we have been hearing from customers that our badge is too big or the wrong shape. We have also heard time and time again that our brand name is perhaps a little off putting. We don't enter into this lightly; but maybe we should consider a change to BPA from BeesNeez. We could redesign our badge and slowly work toward a full change over. What is the nail that has spurred our decision to maybe change branding? I have seen a thread on the Purple Forum where some well known industry types have stated that our branding is "Prosumer". This is concerning for us as we are currently the worlds largest manufacturer of OEM capsules outside of china and we supply parts to many companies. We feel that our products are among the best ever made feel that our branding should also reflect this. To you guys here; is BPA with a newly designed badge, something that could maybe lift our image and set at ease many who plainly refuse to hang our mics in their studios due to the name BeesNeez and our current badge design. I really respect you all here and would love to spit ball with you all regarding this. we are not proud so don't hold back. In saying that, don't be mean either as that is never constructive. Be frank and honest and help us out. If we decide to go down that track, I'll let you guys design the badge for us and remunerate with gear for doing so. thanks Ben Hi Ben, In the past I have been openly critical of your badging but have enjoyed using your mics alongside my small humble collection of some of the most revered microphones ever made. I'm so glad you have taken steps to do something about this but I feel very strongly that the namesake should remain as it has come to be known and regarded. Refreshing the logo and on mic badging does need to happen but not at the expense of the namesake that is now an identifiable fixture of the microphone industry and buyers community. I'd love to talk with you at some point when it's convenient to us both as opposed to discussing in a thread. I don't think my ideas are revolutionary or unbeatable but I was inspired with an image after my last BN mic purchase from you via the website. This move you are considering making re the badging, is the change that needed to happen long ago- so congratulations for arriving at your decision to develop this seemingly inconsequential detail which could open doors to your business you hadn't considered available to you until now.
You have been running with the big dogs for years now, it's time that everything about the company image reflects this ascension and steadfast posture to become another iconic brand encroaching on it's zenith moment
Bravo dude Kind regards, Gene
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Post by gmichael on Jun 27, 2023 15:29:43 GMT -6
BPA is a very poor name to consider. It's terrible actually Too many others already use similar or identical acronym.
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Post by gmichael on Jun 27, 2023 15:36:45 GMT -6
Keep the name...change the badge 100% with you Wiz. The logo and badge are a terrible design, very adolescent and void of any real design merit in both layout and fonting. The jumbo size badge looks like a bad happy meal toy idea.
I would chuck out everything about the logo and start all over. Get a new idea and spend the bucks to have a proper ( NON AUSTRALIA) graphics design professional refine it and don't let it get turned into another gaudy looking Aussie copy cat type thing with misspelt words that is so prominent here.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 27, 2023 16:27:06 GMT -6
My 2 cents. I like BeN - small e in the middle. That way it is about your first name and about BeesNeez. Also, prefer a smaller logo with bluish or greyish color. Good luck Ben. You are an amazing person! I like that too. Or even just a "B". The simpler the badge the better.
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Post by teejay on Jun 27, 2023 16:50:44 GMT -6
The logo and badge are a terrible design, very adolescent and void of any real design merit in both layout and fonting. The jumbo size badge looks like a bad happy meal toy idea.
I would chuck out everything about the logo and start all over.
With all due respect, I see comments like these trending towards exactly what Ben asked we not do: "In saying that, don't be mean either as that is never constructive." I encourage everyone to frame responses and suggestions in such a way as to help with positive considerations around future logo design. We can tell him our thoughts on the benefits of a change, but we don't need to disparage the current one. His current logo design has not stopped Ben and his company from establishing a great reputation for quality and innovative product. He's simply (and humbly) looking to build on that.
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Post by gmichael on Jun 27, 2023 17:33:41 GMT -6
The logo and badge are a terrible design, very adolescent and void of any real design merit in both layout and fonting. The jumbo size badge looks like a bad happy meal toy idea.
I would chuck out everything about the logo and start all over.
With all due respect, I see comments like these trending towards exactly what Ben asked we not do: "In saying that, don't be mean either as that is never constructive." I encourage everyone to frame responses and suggestions in such a way as to help with positive considerations around future logo design. We can tell him our thoughts on the benefits of a change, but we don't need to disparage the current one. His current logo design has not stopped Ben and his company from establishing a great reputation for quality and innovative product. He's simply (and humbly) looking to build on that. My response is contextual to other posts I've read. It is not disparaging or otherwise. It speaks to the very reason of the threads intent. Sometimes building upon something means letting go of everything that has quantifiably led to this deliberation. I do appreciate what you're saying here but we're grownups right? No one is doing anyone any favours by getting around this effort with kid gloves.
We're talking about a rank amateur logo and badge concept and getting those design features in line with the mics themselves. That badge has been the number 1 reason I don't own more BN mics, I've been very open about this for years and how frustrating it has been for me to have a domestic product available to with design flaws I've felt made it an absolute no-go. The plaster has been pulled off at this point so I feel every comment is of intrinsic value to the proposition. I don't think my appropriation of a response is out of line or off topic but I'm not factoring in people's emotional responses and I won't out of respect to the person asking the question to address a long standing issue that must be confronting enough to openly discuss. Respectfully and with regards, Gene
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Post by gmichael on Jun 27, 2023 17:37:35 GMT -6
My 2 cents. I like BeN - small e in the middle. That way it is about your first name and about BeesNeez. Also, prefer a smaller logo with bluish or greyish color. Good luck Ben. You are an amazing person! I like that too. Or even just a "B". The simpler the badge the better. I think you are very near to being onto to something. Not sure about just a B but this is definitely the direction to be hunting and pecking around in I think
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Post by drbill on Jun 27, 2023 17:44:32 GMT -6
Hi Ben - this is a fun thread, and I'm wishing you 1000% success in taking your company image/name and badge / branding to the next level.
In my experience, overall branding is more important than almost anything in this market. Almost equal to the sonics of the gear / mic itself. In your case, and IMO, it goes far beyond the mic badge, and even the company name.
IMO, both BPA and BeN would both be unfortunate side moves at best - possibly/probably worse IMO. A smaller badge of identical shape with a different color would be your SIMPLIST and most cost effective move, but honestly, again IMO, it should be redesigned.
A decisive plan to hang on to your legacy while bringing to light your absolute stunning mic line, portraying a more professional company image, overall branding, badge, and web / social media presence will overall net you the bump you are looking for, and will be worth 10X whatever effort you put in.
You've already made the first and hardest step!!!
I've always had interest in your line, but the only current product of yours that I currently own is a capsule. Why have I not bought more? It's not that I couldn't afford it, that they were too expensive for what I got or that I don't need more mics *I don't* :lol: I've bought many dozens of mics since being aware of your company. Although it would not have precluded me from buying one or more of your line, I must admit the badge gave me pause for thought. LOL. No offense meant, but it's gaudy, and sticks out like the proverbial sore thumb.
Singers are hyper acutely aware of what you stick in front of their face. As great a mic as it is, the Gefell UM70 is a tough sell for singers, even though it has a vintage nickel finish. The shape and vibe is just not conducive to getting them excited. Conversely, put up a vintage M49 or U87 or U47, (even if it's blown out) and you can see their stature and demeanor just flat out change, and their performance (which is A#1 most important) improve.
We're all rooting for you. If there's any way I can help, please don't hesitate to reach out.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 27, 2023 17:50:57 GMT -6
My 2 cents. I like BeN - small e in the middle. That way it is about your first name and about BeesNeez. Also, prefer a smaller logo with bluish or greyish color. Good luck Ben. You are an amazing person! I like that too. Or even just a "B". The simpler the badge the better. I love the idea of a sexy rounded B.
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Post by gmichael on Jun 27, 2023 18:09:08 GMT -6
I honestly think incorporating the capsule aesthetic itself is a worthy exploration. Logos are so so so important, everything Dr Bill said so well I 1000% agree with. Getting a logo wrong or under estimating it's importance can be a catastrophic oversight. Going to have to be prepared to fail prolifically in finally arriving at a design that sums everything up concisely efficiently and effectively without over doing it. There also has to be a degree of familiarity to whatever design is honed in on. I'm so picky about what I will put in front of a singer because it also reflects on me. I don't want to have to qualify a mic choice because something about the aesthetic has the singer asking questions I don't want to be answering
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Post by ericn on Jun 27, 2023 18:11:09 GMT -6
Here is the question that really should be asked, for those who haven’t purchased Bens mics, honestly how much would a branding or logo change make a difference in pushing you to purchase?
Second for those who have purchased in the past would either change keep you from buying again? Or encourage you to purchase more?
Everybody be honest because this is really the question Ben has and will decide if it’s worth the investment in time and money.
I have purchased in the past and probably will again at some point no matter what you do, don’t care about logo or brand when it comes to the decision to purchase it’s the value Beesneez presents that is the biggest influence.
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