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Post by paulcheeba on Jul 4, 2023 20:08:31 GMT -6
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Post by paulcheeba on Jul 4, 2023 20:12:41 GMT -6
Here were some different takes from Adobe that felt balanced but had a hex feel. I’m an insomniac in chronic pain.
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Post by drumsound on Jul 4, 2023 22:12:23 GMT -6
Here are two samples from my Graphics guy. I love where it is moving to. maybe softer edges on the hexagon and the lettering? Maybe also the hexagon could be made up of hexagons or partially therein? what do you think. View AttachmentView AttachmentI feel like these read terribly. I know what they are in advance and I still had to go "OOOOH, it says BN." |
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Post by copperx on Jul 5, 2023 0:58:08 GMT -6
Something about the BN rising out of the hexagon really grabs me. It is understated and yet strong. The font and design may still need a ton of tweaks depending on how it hits emotively but to me it seems to speak. Like a brand emerging from the hive. Maybe I’m just dreaming but the logo Josh put up (2) instantly grabbed me and I thought of the hexagon as its basis. I want to have a small logo this time maybe 13 x 18mm so it needs to be really simple but still have meaning. To me this has that but of course is only in its infancy. Also, maybe best not to smash my graphic designer as I stated earlier, he is reading this forum and is also dealing with me shooting ideas to him left right and centre. I have seen so much of his work a he is so talented. It’s not particularly fair to belittle his work when he is truly just a translator of my rough ideas and thought at a million miles an hour at this point. He also understands that fast is good for the spitball stage as time is money and the pit is bottomless. I’m not whining here but just feel we all show so much kindness to each other and should extend that to all that are here keeping up with the forum . I understand Ben. I'm not smashing him, I would guess that he is more than suited for small town domestic type jobs but it is abundantly obvious that he lacks a refined sense of form and balance. Even spitballing ideas should reflect the aesthetic capabilities of an artist. It's actually nothing personal either. We're talking about an international brand identification campaign that could redefine a small company into that which it aspires to be and the designers with experience in that realm would never have rolled out such a lumpy image for others to ponder the next step.
Hiring the local guy or your friend is such a kind hearted thing to do but at the end of the day, it's probably not fair to someone so lacking in aesthetic understanding to even be having to walk this gauntlet. The fact that his draft had two of the key mistakes that feature from the original logo demonstrates what I'm trying to say and have been saying to be cautious of. Of course I feel kind of bad saying this but I would feel negligent not saying anything at all.
I would say everything I write here to the designers face too not to be mean but because it's the appropriate response to the work submitted, regardless of the terms by which it was generated. I'm sure he is a fantastic person and is capable of doing adequate work and has the best of intentions but you can't teach taste nor can you be expected to pay while someone to fake taste. I think the kindest thing to do is find another designer and develop a in depth understanding of how to hire a proper graphic designer who has the chops for an international branding campaign. I'm sorry, but these words are actually one of the stages of the process. Not everyone is cut out for prime time. Sincerely and with kind regards, gene
Your assessment of the designer's work seems rather definitive and dismissive. Labeling someone's creative endeavor as "lacking in aesthetic understanding" or equating them to be suited only for "small town domestic type jobs" seems unfair. Great ideas often come from humble beginnings. The insinuation that the designer lacks the refinement or taste needed for this task assumes that taste cannot be acquired or developed. Artistry, like many other disciplines, thrives on practice, exposure, and most importantly, constructive feedback. It's an evolving process and a collaborative effort. There's an important distinction between offering constructive criticism and employing harsh words that may discourage or demoralize. Your choice of words leans heavily toward the latter. Your level of confidence in your viewpoints is evident, but being cocksure will blind you to the potential of others. |
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 5, 2023 1:47:24 GMT -6
Here were some different takes from Adobe that felt balanced but had a hex feel. I’m an insomniac in chronic pain. I’m sorry to hear that, that doesn’t sound nice. I too suffer with insomnia, but thankfully not chronic pain. |
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Post by wiz on Jul 5, 2023 2:07:37 GMT -6
Chronic pain here…..probably a lot of us in the group
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Post by mics on Jul 5, 2023 2:40:38 GMT -6
Getting old sucks, that's for sure. For me, it's eye strain!! I can't wear glasses as I get terrible vertigo when I do. I see really well but the strain of the small parts is a killer. I use a magnifying glass for smaller capsule work but the eye strain is a killer. I gets to a point where my whole head hurts and I can barely communicate until I get some rest. I find that if I walk an hour each day, it helps my eyes! who'd a thunk it....
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Post by gmichael on Jul 5, 2023 3:18:44 GMT -6
I understand Ben. I'm not smashing him, I would guess that he is more than suited for small town domestic type jobs but it is abundantly obvious that he lacks a refined sense of form and balance. Even spitballing ideas should reflect the aesthetic capabilities of an artist. It's actually nothing personal either. We're talking about an international brand identification campaign that could redefine a small company into that which it aspires to be and the designers with experience in that realm would never have rolled out such a lumpy image for others to ponder the next step.
Hiring the local guy or your friend is such a kind hearted thing to do but at the end of the day, it's probably not fair to someone so lacking in aesthetic understanding to even be having to walk this gauntlet. The fact that his draft had two of the key mistakes that feature from the original logo demonstrates what I'm trying to say and have been saying to be cautious of. Of course I feel kind of bad saying this but I would feel negligent not saying anything at all.
I would say everything I write here to the designers face too not to be mean but because it's the appropriate response to the work submitted, regardless of the terms by which it was generated. I'm sure he is a fantastic person and is capable of doing adequate work and has the best of intentions but you can't teach taste nor can you be expected to pay while someone to fake taste. I think the kindest thing to do is find another designer and develop a in depth understanding of how to hire a proper graphic designer who has the chops for an international branding campaign. I'm sorry, but these words are actually one of the stages of the process. Not everyone is cut out for prime time. Sincerely and with kind regards, gene
Your assessment of the designer's work seems rather definitive and dismissive. Labeling someone's creative endeavor as "lacking in aesthetic understanding" or equating them to be suited only for "small town domestic type jobs" seems unfair. Great ideas often come from humble beginnings. The insinuation that the designer lacks the refinement or taste needed for this task assumes that taste cannot be acquired or developed. Artistry, like many other disciplines, thrives on practice, exposure, and most importantly, constructive feedback. It's an evolving process and a collaborative effort. There's an important distinction between offering constructive criticism and employing harsh words that may discourage or demoralize. Your choice of words leans heavily toward the latter. Your level of confidence in your viewpoints is evident, but being cocksure will blind you to the potential of others. I appreciate your perspective about what I wrote, which I stand by. I was never once harsh or mean spirited though.
That's emotionalising the actual intention of my discernment of what is obvious to me.
Not that I think this kind of task should be vacant of emotions, on the contrary. I perhaps could have metered my response to be more palatable but I was trying to drive home a point, not win brownie points. Sometimes just being blatantly honest can rub people the wrong way. I don't really mince words about matters I think are of paramount importance, it's not doing anyone any favours. We were asked for opinions and thoughts and I gave mine. If that makes some uncomfortable, perhaps that's part of the process and of some value even if it stings a little. I personally don't want to go on about one graphic designer, it's of far less importance than the actual task at hand. I hope this makes sense to you Copper and thanks again for sharing your opinion about my my thoughts with me. I'm sincerely trying to participate in a positive way, but that doesn't mean not saying what one thinks needs to be said. Be well
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Post by paulcheeba on Jul 5, 2023 5:05:48 GMT -6
Chronic pain here…..probably a lot of us in the group I have an atrophied pancreas and I take drugs for Britain. I think the nature of studio work isn’t very healthy. |
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 5, 2023 6:41:27 GMT -6
Chronic pain here…..probably a lot of us in the group .... I think the nature of studio work isn’t very healthy. True that. I go for a walk every morning and do 20 mins of yoga and some press-ups every other day to try and counteract long hours sitting. |
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Post by copperx on Jul 5, 2023 11:43:42 GMT -6
.... I think the nature of studio work isn’t very healthy. True that. I go for a walk every morning and do 20 mins of yoga and some press-ups every other day to try and counteract long hours sitting. "According to the published research, 30 to 40 minutes of mild to vigorous physical activity every day appears to reduce the association between sedentary time and risk of death." You seem to be on the right track. |
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Post by Ward on Jul 5, 2023 12:12:02 GMT -6
.... I think the nature of studio work isn’t very healthy. True that. I go for a walk every morning and do 20 mins of yoga and some press-ups every other day to try and counteract long hours sitting. I got another plan for you: Second family, on the downwards end of my 50s now! I have two 'new' boys, 12 and 7. Plus two acres of land, grass vegetables and fruit trees, to tend to. That keeps me young! I only work about 16 hours a day now, though, and usually sleep as much as 5 hours. I know, "sleepy head lying in the bed"! but it's the bees knees. |
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Post by christopher on Jul 5, 2023 14:26:17 GMT -6
Here are two samples from my Graphics guy. I love where it is moving to. maybe softer edges on the hexagon and the lettering? Maybe also the hexagon could be made up of hexagons or partially therein? what do you think. View AttachmentView AttachmentLooking back on this.. I kinda like how it looks like a toggle. Maybe make it look more like an actual toggle switch? |
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Post by Hudsonic on Jul 8, 2023 7:50:37 GMT -6
BN Badge looks somewhat from another era---graphic design not so great, in my opinion.
Keep your brand name, rework badge maybe?
Don't change brand name. You are known world wide.
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Post by notneeson on Jul 8, 2023 9:57:10 GMT -6
.... I think the nature of studio work isn’t very healthy. True that. I go for a walk every morning and do 20 mins of yoga and some press-ups every other day to try and counteract long hours sitting. I have been working at a gorgeous new studio that is set back in the countryside and very much lamenting that we have been moving so fast on sessions that I have barely been for a decent walk on the property. I should leave home earlier and walk while the tubes are warming up. |
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Post by notneeson on Jul 8, 2023 10:06:21 GMT -6
I understand Ben. I'm not smashing him, I would guess that he is more than suited for small town domestic type jobs but it is abundantly obvious that he lacks a refined sense of form and balance. Even spitballing ideas should reflect the aesthetic capabilities of an artist. It's actually nothing personal either. We're talking about an international brand identification campaign that could redefine a small company into that which it aspires to be and the designers with experience in that realm would never have rolled out such a lumpy image for others to ponder the next step.
Hiring the local guy or your friend is such a kind hearted thing to do but at the end of the day, it's probably not fair to someone so lacking in aesthetic understanding to even be having to walk this gauntlet. The fact that his draft had two of the key mistakes that feature from the original logo demonstrates what I'm trying to say and have been saying to be cautious of. Of course I feel kind of bad saying this but I would feel negligent not saying anything at all.
I would say everything I write here to the designers face too not to be mean but because it's the appropriate response to the work submitted, regardless of the terms by which it was generated. I'm sure he is a fantastic person and is capable of doing adequate work and has the best of intentions but you can't teach taste nor can you be expected to pay while someone to fake taste. I think the kindest thing to do is find another designer and develop a in depth understanding of how to hire a proper graphic designer who has the chops for an international branding campaign. I'm sorry, but these words are actually one of the stages of the process. Not everyone is cut out for prime time. Sincerely and with kind regards, gene
Your assessment of the designer's work seems rather definitive and dismissive. Labeling someone's creative endeavor as "lacking in aesthetic understanding" or equating them to be suited only for "small town domestic type jobs" seems unfair. Great ideas often come from humble beginnings. The insinuation that the designer lacks the refinement or taste needed for this task assumes that taste cannot be acquired or developed. Artistry, like many other disciplines, thrives on practice, exposure, and most importantly, constructive feedback. It's an evolving process and a collaborative effort. There's an important distinction between offering constructive criticism and employing harsh words that may discourage or demoralize. Your choice of words leans heavily toward the latter. Your level of confidence in your viewpoints is evident, but being cocksure will blind you to the potential of others. In my work life outside of audio I interact with designers all the time. Being able to give direction well is an absolute art. There are creative directors who aren’t good at it, which is hard on teams. When you have a creative director who excels at feedback and direction, it’s magic and work gets done much more smoothly. In the case of Ben’s logo, it may well be that this design by committee approach is actually not helpful and what he really needs is to turn a small agency loose on this to get some fresh ideas. Adobe stock has its place, but I think it is well worth hiring out to get a great logo badge. It’s a lot like hiring a real mastering engineer vs. slapping your mix up in one of the automated mastering platforms. Might be ok, but why aim for the middle? |
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Post by antipodesjosh on Jul 8, 2023 13:04:50 GMT -6
I agree, hire a small agency to take a run at it!
If you’d like recommendations in the AU/NZ region, I can suggest some people to chat with.
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Post by lpedrum on Jul 8, 2023 13:17:01 GMT -6
Just bumped into this thread and took a stroll though it. By far I like these (below.) Love that the slanted N implies both buzzing bees and electricity. Please don't imply Neumann in your design with diamond shapes--you're your own thing.  |
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Post by ericn on Jul 8, 2023 21:10:00 GMT -6
BN Badge looks somewhat from another era---graphic design not so great, in my opinion. Keep your brand name, rework badge maybe? Don't change brand name. You are known world wide. Ben, while Alister is one of the biggest mic geeks out there ( a high order compliment my friend) the fact that a someone who is not in the general world of pop / rock saying your brand is known says one hell of a lot about the fact that the Brand is established. While Im personally not in love with what your designer has shown so far I think I might let him loose to see what he comes up with. My reasoning is this: I’m pretty sure your initial design was based on the space available not what most would describe as the traditional scale used for mic badges. We are the very definition of a Niche market so it doesn’t surprise me and honestly the larger more brash design probably did a lot to separate BN from the rest and get you where you are, if he is reading this thread is probably giving him a bunch of ideas, let him play a bit. I’m also not a fan of design by committee, most of the time nobody ends up happy. Dealing with some of the most accomplished architects taught me that. Seeing the work of and working and knowing the second tier where there is a larger base of those providing input reinforced it. The idea of providing direction is good but first see what your designer has learned. Also remember we are seeing 2D examples, due to the curvature of the mic body by itself means this really is a 3D project. |
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Post by paulcheeba on Jul 9, 2023 6:29:27 GMT -6
This certainly has been a fun, honest and interesting thread.
My personal experience with many graphic design agencies for logos etc. was that they played an overpriced game of “ pin the tail on the donkey “. The best work was always a by someone I trusted deeply who felt like a part of the project. I would brief them with my ideas and they would bring it home and nail it.
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Post by nick8801 on Jul 9, 2023 11:48:46 GMT -6
Just bumped into this thread and took a stroll though it. By far I like these (below.) Love that the slanted N implies both buzzing bees and electricity. Please don't imply Neumann in your design with diamond shapes--you're your own thing. View AttachmentI like these too. Simple, different and effective. |
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Post by paulcheeba on Jul 9, 2023 14:20:43 GMT -6
Just bumped into this thread and took a stroll though it. By far I like these (below.) Love that the slanted N implies both buzzing bees and electricity. Please don't imply Neumann in your design with diamond shapes--you're your own thing. View AttachmentWhite on black works really well but the opposite not so much. |
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Post by antipodesjosh on Jul 19, 2023 3:53:30 GMT -6
I've been home from work today fighting off a flu, so I took a run at some initial logo directions based on the discussions in this thread. Attachments:
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Post by yewtreemagic on Jul 19, 2023 8:13:29 GMT -6
I love your very first image, with the antennae! It's SO simple, yet is a unique take on the name  |
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Post by paulcheeba on Jul 28, 2023 9:49:07 GMT -6
I've been home from work today fighting off a flu, so I took a run at some initial logo directions based on the discussions in this thread. Love the badges especially the last couple. Looks like Ben's gone with this which I like because it's like the middle finger which probably explains his state of mind. ;-) I think the logo is a little too high here and that's the last I'll say. (Edit) except it does look really cool. ![]() ![]() Attachments:
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