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Post by ephi82 on Jun 21, 2014 10:25:53 GMT -6
Yup,
Another thread on this topic, but I will try to boil it down:
I have been looking for a mic like this for a long time, and I've narrowed down the candidates.
The mic I choose must have that very big low end. Other than some expensive ribbons, there are very few mics that do it for me. In 99% of the cases, mics presented as sounding like a 47 almost always come up short on the low end. It also should have present mids and smooth/silky highs. Nothing missing up top, but round.
Last, no more than around $2k
So, that leaves out the Flea, Telefunken 47AE and several others
Does anyone have experience with the Pearlman TM47 and or the Peluso 2247LE and 2247SE?
Any other suggestions?
Thanks
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Post by Ward on Jun 21, 2014 10:41:06 GMT -6
Does it have to be a tube mic? Have you considered the RFT line from Telefunken? If you're restricting the purchase price to 2K, you are probably going to end up with something Chinese in parts and/or construction.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 21, 2014 10:47:16 GMT -6
I really think for that price point, you'd have to do some kind of custom job. I know dandeurloo and @tonycamp have made really outstanding versions. Maybe they can chime in - and they could possibly be hired to build one from the Groupdiy specs. I really think it all comes down to the capsule too. @sinsay797 is one of THE hot mic guys these days. He put in a new capsule in my Miktek CV4 that just made it outstanding. I know M7's are different though since they're glued - no tweaking can be done or something like that. I would also consider buying a used Peluso 2247 SE and then putting in a Theirsch capsule or something like that. The good thing about getting a capsule through Shannon (sinsay) is that you can tell him what you're going for and he can customize it. cowboycoalminer you wanna comment on your cv4 you just got back from Shannon? |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jun 21, 2014 21:52:06 GMT -6
Yeah Shannon did a new mod to mine and it sounds really close to a big vintage mic. Big bottom and smooth top. Not a bit harsh. I've been busy with end of the season baseball tournaments and haven't had a lot of time to track with it yet but the few tracks I have done are really impressive. It leans heavily now toward a thick Neumann than the upfront 251 sound. Which was what I wanted out of this mic. |
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Post by ragan on Jun 21, 2014 21:59:01 GMT -6
I'm really interested in this too. I'm looking for a vocal mic and $2k give or take would be my budget.
The Pearlman TM-47 is a contender. I'm waiting to hear solid clips of how it compares to the TM-1 since I owned that mic and had thoughts about it.
Cowboy, when you get around to it I'd love to hear more of your thoughts on the modded CV4. I'm wondering how it stacks up to your U67.
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Post by lolo on Jun 22, 2014 1:10:10 GMT -6
cowboycoalminer and Johnkenn Fellas with Shannon's mod on your CV4's, does the sound lend more towards a 67 or 251? Think it might be time to send my CV4 over soon
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Post by henge on Jun 22, 2014 4:55:00 GMT -6
$2000 for a chinese mic!!! Get one of the experts here to build one for sure. Wow i had no idea $2000 can get me a mic made in china.....
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Post by ephi82 on Jun 22, 2014 7:39:16 GMT -6
There's a cool shootout on the FLEA website between a vintage U47, the FLEA 47 and the Telefunken U47AE (new mic)
There's no touching the vintage mic. wow.
At half the money, the FLEA sounds better than the new Tele, and it comes close to the vintage, but the FLEA is still almost $5k.
I have read that the Pearlman TM 47 has a rounder sound and a bigger low end than the TM 1
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 22, 2014 7:39:52 GMT -6
Yup, Another thread on this topic, but I will try to boil it down: I have been looking for a mic like this for a long time, and I've narrowed down the candidates. The mic I choose must have that very big low end. Other than some expensive ribbons, there are very few mics that do it for me. In 99% of the cases, mics presented as sounding like a 47 almost always come up short on the low end. It also should have present mids and smooth/silky highs. Nothing missing up top, but round. Last, no more than around $2k So, that leaves out the Flea, Telefunken 47AE and several others Does anyone have experience with the Pearlman TM47 and or the Peluso 2247LE and 2247SE? Any other suggestions? Thanks Not sure where you're located, b uh t you could probably find someone with a BeesNeez within a reasonable distance that would let you take a listen. |
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Post by ephi82 on Jun 22, 2014 7:40:41 GMT -6
Yeah Shannon did a new mod to mine and it sounds really close to a big vintage mic. Big bottom and smooth top. Not a bit harsh. I've been busy with end of the season baseball tournaments and haven't had a lot of time to track with it yet but the few tracks I have done are really impressive. It leans heavily now toward a thick Neumann than the upfront 251 sound. Which was what I wanted out of this mic. Can you say what the mod cost? |
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Post by ephi82 on Jun 22, 2014 7:45:47 GMT -6
$2000 for a chinese mic!!! Get one of the experts here to build one for sure. Wow i had no idea $2000 can get me a mic made in china..... There are many quality products available from China. My $400 Casino is a better player than many of the higher end Epiphone Beatle replica Casinos I have played. The OPPO Blu Ray player is a wonderfully designed and manufactured piece of equipment. |
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Post by henge on Jun 22, 2014 8:12:28 GMT -6
$2000 for a chinese mic!!! Get one of the experts here to build one for sure. Wow i had no idea $2000 can get me a mic made in china..... There are many quality products available from China. My $400 Casino is a better player than many of the higher end Epiphone Beatle replica Casinos I have played. The OPPO Blu Ray player is a wonderfully designed and manufactured piece of equipment. Great point! I have to admit to a bias against Chinese manufacturing though... |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jun 22, 2014 8:25:05 GMT -6
I'm really interested in this too. I'm looking for a vocal mic and $2k give or take would be my budget. The Pearlman TM-47 is a contender. I'm waiting to hear solid clips of how it compares to the TM-1 since I owned that mic and had thoughts about it. Cowboy, when you get around to it I'd love to hear more of your thoughts on the modded CV4. I'm wondering how it stacks up to your U67. Here's a quick mock up of a tune I started writing a few days ago using the new mod on the CV4. The vocal is with the CV4 and the acoustic recorded in stereo beside the U 67. It sure sounds like a big league mic to me. What are your thoughts? db.tt/HqincZ9D |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jun 22, 2014 8:33:30 GMT -6
And keep in mind my CV4 still has the stock tube in it. My 67 has a NOS Mullard and although I HATE saying this, the 67 with an Electro Harmonics tube in it doesn't sound as good as the CV4 on my voice. I'd bet with a quality NOS tube to soften it some more, this CV4 would be an end all mic (for my voice anyway). Probably put one in it sometime to see.
@ the gang
The Flea is a wonderful mic but it's basically a DIY 47 with a name on it. We can build one with as good or better specs for half the dough if we are so inclined. Resale value will always be better on the Flea because it's a name everyone knows though.
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Post by kidvybes on Jun 22, 2014 8:47:53 GMT -6
...I would also suggest reaching out to Brian Fox (foxaudioresearch.ca)...Brian will custom build you a U47 based upon the level of quality you desire...he recently quoted around $1700 to a friend for one with a Thiersch Blueline PVC capsule and one of Oliver Archut's BV-8 transformers...Brian has developed a circuit using the 6922 tube in place of the VF14 that he believes comes very close in performance...the interesting thing about his builds is he will supply you with not only sound files prior to delivering the mic, but comprehensive test graphs verifying response, noise level and distortion...he is also an authorized builder of the AMI/Tab Funkenwerk kits...his work is very well respected, and his pricing is more than competitive...and of course, the GroupDIY options are impressive... Check out his website: foxaudioresearch.ca/The47.htmAnd his build pics here: www.facebook.com/pages/Fox-Audio-Research/111541158888753...and IMHO, nothing wrong with using China-sourced parts for the build as long as they play only a cosmetic role in the final product...other than that, the Flea U47 replica body group buy on GroupDIY is your best option for visual impact...for me, sonic character is the priority, particularly if it keeps the final cost in check...just sayin'... Attachments:
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Post by kidvybes on Jun 22, 2014 9:12:06 GMT -6
And keep in mind my CV4 still has the stock tube in it. My 67 has a NOS Mullard and although I HATE saying this, the 67 with an Electro Harmonics tube in it doesn't sound as good as the CV4 on my voice. I'd bet with a quality NOS tube to soften it some more, this CV4 would be an end all mic (for my voice anyway). Probably put one in it sometime to see. ...I was under the impression the stock tube in the CV4 was a Telefunken EF800 (based upon Oliver Archut's recommendation)...nothing slack about that...the CV4 also has Oliver's BV-8 style transformer, so it has quite a bit in common with the U47-family to begin with...Dave Pearlman's TM-1 also combines that tube and tranny, but with a K47 capsule...makes me wonder how the CV4 would sound with a PVC K47 capsule swap... |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 22, 2014 9:20:17 GMT -6
...I would also suggest reaching out to Brian Fox (foxaudioresearch.ca)...Brian will custom build you a U47 based upon the level of quality you desire...he recently quoted around $1700 for to a friend for one with a Thiersch Blueline PVC capsule and one of Oliver Archut's BV-8 transformers...Brian has developed a circuit using the 6922 tube in place of the VF14 that he believes comes very close in performance...the interesting thing about his builds is he will supply you with not only sound files prior to delivering the mic, but comprehensive test graphs verifying response, noise level and distortion...he is also an authorized builder of the AMI/Tab Funkenwerk kits...his work is very well respected, and his pricing is more than competitive...and of course, the GroupDIY options are impressive... Check out his website: foxaudioresearch.ca/The47.htmAnd his build pics here: www.facebook.com/pages/Fox-Audio-Research/111541158888753...and IMHO, nothing wrong with using China-sourced parts for the build as long as they play only a cosmetic role in the final product...other than that, the Flea U47 replica body group buy on GroupDIY is your best option for visual impact...for me, sonic character is the priority, particularly if it keeps the final cost in check...just sayin'... D, do u have a link to this? |
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Post by kidvybes on Jun 22, 2014 9:34:43 GMT -6
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Post by deehope on Jun 22, 2014 10:43:15 GMT -6
JJ Audio Husky sounds exactly like what your looking for.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 22, 2014 10:58:57 GMT -6
Lol, ok. Afaik It's not a flea body at all, it's Max's design entirely, he DID commission flea to build the head basket for him though... |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 22, 2014 11:02:28 GMT -6
And keep in mind my CV4 still has the stock tube in it. My 67 has a NOS Mullard and although I HATE saying this, the 67 with an Electro Harmonics tube in it doesn't sound as good as the CV4 on my voice. I'd bet with a quality NOS tube to soften it some more, this CV4 would be an end all mic (for my voice anyway). Probably put one in it sometime to see. @ the gang The Flea is a wonderful mic but it's basically a DIY 47 with a name on it. We can build one with as good or better specs for half the dough if we are so inclined. Resale value will always be better on the Flea because it's a name everyone knows though. Does your cv4 not have a nos Telefunken EF800? |
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Post by bluesprocket on Jun 22, 2014 11:09:55 GMT -6
cowboycoalminer and Johnkenn Fellas with Shannon's mod on your CV4's, does the sound lend more towards a 67 or 251? Think it might be time to send my CV4 over soon I think the version of the mod that most people seem to be familiar with pushes more toward the 47/251 type of bottom that most people are after. Its pretty different from a stock 67. One of the cool things about the Mic Rehab mod is that the mics can be pushed a couple of different ways. I actually have a pair of the CV4s at the studio and when I had mine done (Shannon is a cool dude and always willing to experiment a little) we decided to make them different. The first one he did his "normal" mod, but on the second he went for less bottom and more of an aggressive top end, like a C800g. The midrange is interestingly similar-ish but the top and bottom are very different on each mic. As a cool side note, the brighter of the two is one of my go to mics for bass guitar or upright, put into fig-8 pattern...kind of like how you would with an old C12. The aggressive top really makes the bass stand out, but the fig-8 pattern brings in a really nice bottom end! |
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Post by kidvybes on Jun 22, 2014 11:24:11 GMT -6
Lol, ok. Afaik It's not a flea body at all, it's Max's design entirely, he DID commission flea to build the head basket for him though... ...ahhh!...thanks for clarifying Tony...  |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 22, 2014 11:39:41 GMT -6
Maybe look at he Blackspade line? I recently did a shootout on a restored vintage Neve board with my Blackspade U17 R Blueline against the Lauten Atlantis. At first the Atlantis seems incredible, HUGE bottom, lush, made me sing well, the U17 seemed thin in comparison. Threw them into a mix, and the Blackspade just smoked the Lauten, like it was pre-mixed, almost no EQ needed.The Atlantis need a lot of EQ to balance the low end, which made it lose something in the process, and was way more sibilant.
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Post by kidvybes on Jun 22, 2014 12:33:28 GMT -6
Maybe look at he Blackspade line? FYI...that line as it was previously known is no more...Blackspade and Oliver Archut have since parted ways...those former Blackspade mics are now badged "TAB": www.tab-funkenwerk.com/id92.htmlwww.tab-funkenwerk.com/id134.html...as for Blackspade, they are currently testing entirely new designs, fully conceived in house and manufactured in Europe... |
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