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Post by watchtower on Jun 23, 2014 23:40:44 GMT -6
Indirecty directly from Tim. he had not responded to any of my emails over about 4 month period; ok I get that he is busy but , as I had built the diy c12 clone and had no cap not a happy camper. I was talking to Brain about another matter and I asked if he would sell me a cap given the situation of having built the c12 and he kindly agreed. Normally he would have made his own mike for sale, so i am very much in Brian's debt but of course paid him for his time etc. and that is how he makes his living. i recommend Brian Fox without reservation great to work with, fair and So knowledgable !! So you got Tim's capsule through Brian? I ask because Brian has said in the past that he gets a custom tuning from Tim. It's brighter than what Tim is usually sending out these days, supposedly. It has made me wonder if I should get my capsule adjusted (to "match AKG specs"), but it's hard to send a mic/capsule off when it already sounds so good. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 24, 2014 16:52:23 GMT -6
Indirecty directly from Tim. he had not responded to any of my emails over about 4 month period; ok I get that he is busy but , as I had built the diy c12 clone and had no cap not a happy camper. I was talking to Brain about another matter and I asked if he would sell me a cap given the situation of having built the c12 and he kindly agreed. Normally he would have made his own mike for sale, so i am very much in Brian's debt but of course paid him for his time etc. and that is how he makes his living. i recommend Brian Fox without reservation great to work with, fair and So knowledgable !! +1 Mr Fox knows his stuff. Tim is tough to get, i finally got a email from him simply stating "Tony, you're on the list", that was about a month ago, i figure i'll hear from him that they're ready around....say....Halloween? 8) And that is perfectly fine, they are totally worth the wait, i'm going to build a pair of elam 251 clones, or 1 elam, and another C12 to give me a pair of one or the other. When i'm done the 1st elam, i'll compare it to my C12 and decide which pair would serve me better? Tim must be a strange cat... You know, that's what started the whole catfight on GS when I posted Tim's reply to me asking what he thought of the new UM25C: (I paraphrase) I have never been affiliated nor have I ever heard or seen a Blackspade Microphone. Odd. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 24, 2014 16:54:54 GMT -6
Indirecty directly from Tim. he had not responded to any of my emails over about 4 month period; ok I get that he is busy but , as I had built the diy c12 clone and had no cap not a happy camper. I was talking to Brain about another matter and I asked if he would sell me a cap given the situation of having built the c12 and he kindly agreed. Normally he would have made his own mike for sale, so i am very much in Brian's debt but of course paid him for his time etc. and that is how he makes his living. i recommend Brian Fox without reservation great to work with, fair and So knowledgable !! So you got Tim's capsule through Brian? I ask because Brian has said in the past that he gets a custom tuning from Tim. It's brighter than what Tim is usually sending out these days, supposedly. It has made me wonder if I should get my capsule adjusted (to "match AKG specs"), but it's hard to send a mic/capsule off when it already sounds so good. Man...aren't C12's bright enough as is? |
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Post by warren on Jun 24, 2014 17:01:42 GMT -6
So you got Tim's capsule through Brian? I ask because Brian has said in the past that he gets a custom tuning from Tim. It's brighter than what Tim is usually sending out these days, supposedly. It has made me wonder if I should get my capsule adjusted (to "match AKG specs"), but it's hard to send a mic/capsule off when it already sounds so good. Man...aren't C12's bright enough as is? what I was thinkin' too |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 24, 2014 18:00:56 GMT -6
Treat professionals like professionals I am cool with Tim. He makes arguably the best c12 cap going and sells at a very reasonable price so demand exceeds supply and I was far far down the food chain. So I asked Brian to name his price for the cap cus he would lose his profit selling a mike he would have made with it and to charge me for qc'ing my c12 build and installing the cap. He could have said no but i explained that the campbell cap would finish my c12 properly: very grateful that he agreed Remember you switch 1 part to roll off the c12 for 251 response and about 4,resisters if you want to roll a non 6702 tube and recalibrate the mike all demo''d on group diy build: i have a military spec Mullard in my c12 now from Christian at proaudiotube Part of the fun of quality diy!  |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 24, 2014 19:36:21 GMT -6
kcatthedog id love to hear some sound clips of your mic?(@16bit wave at least) i'm sure it's great!
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Post by Ward on Jun 24, 2014 19:36:55 GMT -6
I gotta stand up for Tim too. He's got me on the list for 2 of them at the moment, and won't take my money until the caps are ready to sell.
And communication with him has been absolutely brilliant.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 24, 2014 19:41:47 GMT -6
I gotta stand up for Tim too. He's got me on the list for 2 of them at the moment, and won't take my money until the caps are ready to sell. And communication with him has been absolutely brilliant. ward, what are you gonna put them in? congrats on that, they are killer, i'm excited for my second pair! |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 24, 2014 19:43:27 GMT -6
kcatthedog id love to hear some sound clips of your mic?(@16bit wave at least) i'm sure it's great! Sure thing or 24@44.1 Let me know how c12>tb12>burl>apollo ? Or would u like the c12>apollo so you can hear the mullard ? |
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Post by Ward on Jun 24, 2014 19:44:47 GMT -6
A couple more old 414s getting the treatment. One EB had a brass capsule and someone made the mistake of sending it to AKG where the deaf monkeys back in the day 'upgraded' it to the capsule made out of rubber and aluminum foil.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 24, 2014 19:49:07 GMT -6
kcatthedog id love to hear some sound clips of your mic?(@16bit wave at least) i'm sure it's great! Sure thing or 24@44.1 Let me know how c12>tb12>burl>apollo ? Or would u like the c12>apollo so you can hear the mullard ? just get the best sound you can get out of what ever chain...? just 0 compression or eq |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 24, 2014 20:40:45 GMT -6
I'm curious to know what you guys thought of the tone of the U17R on the track I posted. Does it at all sound U47 ish? Oliver says it's U49 ish, but I've never used those mics, so I have no real benchmark to judge by. I've used mint original C12's, Neumann's made in the 70's, K84's, U47FET's, but don't remember if I've ever crossed a U47's path. I didn't pay much attention to those things when I was recording then.
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Post by watchtower on Jun 24, 2014 23:03:19 GMT -6
So you got Tim's capsule through Brian? I ask because Brian has said in the past that he gets a custom tuning from Tim. It's brighter than what Tim is usually sending out these days, supposedly. It has made me wonder if I should get my capsule adjusted (to "match AKG specs"), but it's hard to send a mic/capsule off when it already sounds so good. Man...aren't C12's bright enough as is? ...Maybe? I don't know - I've never used a genuine C12. But I wouldn't describe my DiY C12 as bright. It's all the best components available. It sounds very balanced. Brian's comments to me through email got me thinking I should get Tim to retune my capsule brighter to "match AKG spec." That's why I was wondering if kcat got the capsuel through Brian, bc Brian gets them custom tuned by Tim. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 24, 2014 23:19:15 GMT -6
Man...aren't C12's bright enough as is? ...Maybe? I don't know - I've never used a genuine C12. But I wouldn't describe my DiY C12 as bright. It's all the best components available. It sounds very balanced. Brian's comments to me through email got me thinking I should get Tim to retune my capsule brighter to "match AKG spec." That's why I was wondering if kcat got the capsuel through Brian, bc Brian gets them custom tuned by Tim. I don't understand this ^, Tim re creates the C12 to the AKG standard as far as i know? he modeled these off of the best sounding (to him) original C12 he could get his hands on, if i remember correctly? Please if i'm wrong, could you link to some info about this "AKG spec" thanx T btw, i agree the C12 isn't bright, it's just airy as hell and wide open up top to me, i wouldn't call it bright myself. |
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Post by watchtower on Jun 24, 2014 23:55:22 GMT -6
...Maybe? I don't know - I've never used a genuine C12. But I wouldn't describe my DiY C12 as bright. It's all the best components available. It sounds very balanced. Brian's comments to me through email got me thinking I should get Tim to retune my capsule brighter to "match AKG spec." That's why I was wondering if kcat got the capsuel through Brian, bc Brian gets them custom tuned by Tim. I don't understand this ^, Tim re creates the C12 to the AKG standard as far as i know? he modeled these off of the best sounding (to him) original C12 he could get his hands on, if i remember correctly? Please if i'm wrong, could you link to some info about this "AKG spec" thanx T btw, i agree the C12 isn't bright, it's just airy as hell and wide open up top to me, i wouldn't call it bright myself. As far as I understand it, Tim recreates his favorite sounding CK12, whereas Brian is trying to match AKG's published frequency response graphs as close as possible. That means a 5dB hump at around 10kHz, which seems to be a little bit more than Tim's standard capsule these days. There's supposedly a little more to it, but since this is not my own first hand knowledge, I will refrain from posting it as such. |
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Post by kidvybes on Jun 25, 2014 8:27:16 GMT -6
...while we're on the C12 capsule topic, it should be noted that the premium Matachung GroupDIY C12 kit features the new Heiserman HK12 capsule...Ronin Applied Sciences also features Eric's HK12 in their mics: roninappliedsciences.com/...Eric Heiserman is currently tweaking an HK12 for me to complete my DIY 251...he tried an alternate tuning of the capsule to achieve a darker tone, as per my request, but I've decided to go with the standard tuning which Eric claims is more in line with the classic AKG reference as used by TC and others... Attachments:
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 25, 2014 8:54:10 GMT -6
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Post by warren on Jun 25, 2014 8:56:11 GMT -6
Gonna keep a close eye on the HK12. When I first took a listen to his samples a while back, it didn't sound close. But as he keeps tweaking, hopefully get's there soon then I'll be all in |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 25, 2014 8:59:22 GMT -6
Exactly what I thought when I first read it. |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jun 25, 2014 10:26:38 GMT -6
kcatthedog id love to hear some sound clips of your mic?(@16bit wave at least) i'm sure it's great! I would too. I've heard Cat5's two C12's with the Campbell caps, one of which is possibly the best sounding mic on planet earth right now. Some guys just have it all, a supermodel for a wife, two of the cutest boys ever and only the best mic ever, yep, that's Cat 5 |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 25, 2014 11:03:55 GMT -6
kcatthedog id love to hear some sound clips of your mic?(@16bit wave at least) i'm sure it's great! I would too. I've heard Cat5's two C12's with the Campbell caps, one of which is possibly the best sounding mic on planet earth right now. Some guys just have it all, a supermodel for a wife, two of the cutest boys ever and only the best mic ever, yep, that's Cat 5 I'm a lucky man as well, I've got a table, two chairs and a really nice C12 8) (turns head like curious dog)...... cowboycoalminer what was the diffs you heard between cat5's 2 C12 mics? was there ANY difference between the circuit builds/body constructions? |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 25, 2014 11:21:14 GMT -6
Gonna keep a close eye on the HK12. When I first took a listen to his samples a while back, it didn't sound close. But as he keeps tweaking, hopefully get's there soon then I'll be all in from everything i've read/understand, more than any other capsule, the C12 is a real pita to create accurately... has something to do with the backplate chambers, i've heard some really bad sounding C12 wanna be capsules that looked very shiny on the outside, if Eric(who's a great guy) gets this all dialed in, i'm sure his will be great... My guess is that Tim could use the break from his workload as well? but in the short term at least, i believe Tim has cemented his reputation as a hard to get, one at a time C12 Master capsule builder. |
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Post by Ward on Jun 25, 2014 11:38:04 GMT -6
Tim has cemented his reputation as a working musician who happens to be the present genius of C12 recreation. He's trying to keep a music career going and doing all he can to keep up with the CT12 orders.
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Post by kidvybes on Jun 25, 2014 12:16:54 GMT -6
...I think some soundfile samples from those who have employed Tim's CT12 in their DIY builds (or otherwise) are in order...let's hear that Tim Campbell magic!...vocal clips would be most appreciated...gracias!
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Post by watchtower on Jun 25, 2014 12:57:57 GMT -6
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