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Post by recordingengineer on Mar 27, 2023 16:18:16 GMT -6
Hey Guys, Locomotive 86B-2 is the same circuit as the 286A. Just not hardwired. :-) Curious if you hear a sound difference. |
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Post by drsax on Mar 27, 2023 18:54:40 GMT -6
I haven’t read this whole thread, but the Soyuz FET SDC‘s are great mics. Although I might not consider them dark, I consider them full sounding, and not hyped in the highs. They are darker than the other small, diaphragm condenser microphones I have.
Oh, and the Oktava MK-012 SDC’s I would consider a bit darker than many SDC’s. Not as detailed as the Soyuz though.
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Post by Locomotive Audio on Mar 28, 2023 9:17:57 GMT -6
Hey Guys, Locomotive 86B-2 is the same circuit as the 286A. Just not hardwired. :-) Curious if you hear a sound difference. Maybe a touch more up on top due to less length in wire runs to the front panel. Most everything is kept in more tidy space on each channel with relays and reduces a lot of back and forth to the faceplate. Lower noise floor is a welcome addition too! |
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Post by ab101 on Mar 28, 2023 20:56:00 GMT -6
Frankly, I hope the 286a is better because I have it and appears to be the hand-wired version. But for the sake of the wonderful Locomotive people and their customers, I hope the 86b-2 is great. I have a hard time believing that Locomotive would put out anything that is not great. Hey Guys, Locomotive 86B-2 is the same circuit as the 286A. Just not hardwired. :-) Fantastic. |
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Post by Omicron9 on Dec 16, 2023 10:51:39 GMT -6
Greetings, all.
Many thanks for the advice and thoughts. A couple of things to clarify:
- I'm going for super clean; think classical recording. No interest in vintage/dull/muddy.
- I'm not changing pres. I have a pair of the Grace m108s and I love them dearly; they do exactly what I want.
- No ribbons. I've been down that road, and they're not for me. Also not trying to start a ribbon mic opinion war; they have their place, it's just not for me.
- Omnis: I've used various: KM-183, Shure KSM-141, AKG C-460-B with omni caps (can't think of the omni cap model no.), C-480-B with omni cap, Oktava 012 (both omni and card caps), and no doubt others that I'm forgetting right now. I'm not opposed to omnis, but they've yet to work for me.
- No tube SDCs.
I am quite intrigued with the Line Audio mics, and have inquiries in to their dealers. That might be a great fit.
Again, thanks for the all the thoughts; it's appreciated.
Kind regards,
-09
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Post by notneeson on Dec 16, 2023 11:45:57 GMT -6
Having used both the Lulu FET and the Samar MG20 quite recently, I can recommend both. The Samar might be a tad cleaner and therefore better for your use case. The Lulu has a tad more KM84 like euphony going on.
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Post by wendelgee2 on Feb 18, 2024 6:36:51 GMT -6
Anybody tried the Vanguard V1?
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Post by audiospecific on Feb 18, 2024 6:50:15 GMT -6
Greetings. I've been looking for darker SDCs for instrument mic'ing. My two current faves, tho I wouldn't call them dark, are the AKG C-460-B and the venerable Shure SM-81. The top end on both is close to what I seek; although they're pretty flat, they can still be a bit more crispy than I want. Preamps are all Grace. I've tried many other well-known SDCs (Neumann, AKG, Gefell, Shure KSM series, Oktava, et. al.), and these two are the ones thus far. I'd still like to find something a little darker on top. Please don't say KM-84s, as that's way out of my budget, and I'm not a fan of maintaining vintage gear. I've tried various ribbons (Royer, Mesanovic, Cascasde), and they're just too dark on top and lack definition for what I want to hear. I'm going for clean/accurate, not vintage/muddy/saturated. I want to think there must be some happy medium between ribbons and the 81/460. Or maybe not. Suggestions? TIA, -09
Clean and accurate, but a little dark, I would try a small windscreen with a larger windscreen over it. Because sometimes changing the air velocity going into the mic effects tone. A common example of that would be how the tone changes on a sm7 with the different wind screen configurations.
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Post by Omicron9 on Feb 18, 2024 10:37:55 GMT -6
Greetings. I've been looking for darker SDCs for instrument mic'ing. My two current faves, tho I wouldn't call them dark, are the AKG C-460-B and the venerable Shure SM-81. The top end on both is close to what I seek; although they're pretty flat, they can still be a bit more crispy than I want. Preamps are all Grace. I've tried many other well-known SDCs (Neumann, AKG, Gefell, Shure KSM series, Oktava, et. al.), and these two are the ones thus far. I'd still like to find something a little darker on top. Please don't say KM-84s, as that's way out of my budget, and I'm not a fan of maintaining vintage gear. I've tried various ribbons (Royer, Mesanovic, Cascasde), and they're just too dark on top and lack definition for what I want to hear. I'm going for clean/accurate, not vintage/muddy/saturated. I want to think there must be some happy medium between ribbons and the 81/460. Or maybe not. Suggestions? TIA, -09
Clean and accurate, but a little dark, I would try a small windscreen with a larger windscreen over it. Because sometimes changing the air velocity going into the mic effects tone. A common example of that would be how the tone changes on a sm7 with the different wind screen configurations.
Thanks. Since I posted that, I have been using the SM-81's stock windscreens, and I hear a very slight improvement. I tried the huge Shure windscreen (can't think of the model number), but it was overkill; all but removed the top end, and cut the output by about half. Thanks again, -09 |
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Post by trappist on Feb 18, 2024 22:33:24 GMT -6
I am liking my Samar Audio Design MG20 for acoustic instrument recording. Transformer coupled design results in a deep rich sound.
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Post by guitfiddler on Feb 20, 2024 12:06:05 GMT -6
I haven’t read this whole thread yet, but I have been experimenting lately again with different OH’s and I noticed that when I use preamps designed for ribbons and I mess with impedance and hang up some bright overhead mics like my AT 4051’s they really calm the sizzle and just sound great, not only on overheads!
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Post by trappist on Feb 20, 2024 13:09:39 GMT -6
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Post by sirthought on Feb 20, 2024 17:12:21 GMT -6
I haven’t read this whole thread yet, but I have been experimenting lately again with different OH’s and I noticed that when I use preamps designed for ribbons and I mess with impedance and hang up some bright overhead mics like my AT 4051’s they really calm the sizzle and just sound great, not only on overheads! Which preamps? Do they have impedance control on the preamp? |
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