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Post by seawell on Nov 27, 2022 23:44:09 GMT -6
No one's into vintage gear like they were. We are, we just don’t make any money anymore 🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 23:47:05 GMT -6
Circa 2001: A $99 Studio Projects C1 sounds JUST LIKE my neighbors’ friend’s dog’s U87!!!!!!! And before that, it was the MXL V67G! MXL never made claims comparing it to a U87, but it was an “it” mic for about 6 months. I still hear people talk up the v67. It’s kinda muddy and harsh at the same time. |
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Post by wiz on Nov 27, 2022 23:52:33 GMT -6
Circa 2001: A $99 Studio Projects C1 sounds JUST LIKE my neighbors’ friend’s dog’s U87!!!!!!! And before that, it was the MXL V67G! MXL never made claims comparing it to a U87, but it was an “it” mic for about 6 months. stop listing my mic locker from 2001...!! you forgot the actual good buy at the time... MK012s for 59 bucks from Guitar Center.... I bought quite a few of those in to Oz and sold them for 6 times the price.... Cheers Wiz |
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Post by copperx on Nov 28, 2022 0:02:39 GMT -6
And before that, it was the MXL V67G! MXL never made claims comparing it to a U87, but it was an “it” mic for about 6 months. That reminds me of its cousin, the MCA SP-1 ($40) which was hyped to high heaven by Jim Williams on the purple forum in the early 00's. He described the parts for an upgrade, then erased his post, and then started offering the upgrade for $125. He claimed he bought them by the dozen to record all kinds of things and were comparable to a Neumann, and then years later he stated that the mic is basically trash without upgrading the capsule. Yeah ... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2022 0:03:32 GMT -6
No one's into vintage gear like they were. We are, we just don’t make any money anymore 🤣🤣🤣 Well the vintage gear got fetishized when the Symetrix and Drawmers were 100 bucks out of a rack, you could get Midiverbs for 50 a pop, the boss metal pedals and samplers were dirt cheap, and the Fostex mixer comp that was just as cool as an 1176 was 20 bucks, which is what the color module pcb sells for now. Now the Alesis fx, boss pedals, Fostex and Tascam mixers are fetishized post covid by shoegaze, metal, and rap posers but the clean stuff that requires you to know how to set a compressor to use hasn’t been because it’s not a distortion fx “for sound design” or to pretend their gridded or label funded pop music is a 90s subgenre. “We are an independent band” and then runs their sound through two dozen channels of Avedis/BAE/Chandler/whatever and gives the producer/mixer points so that they make more from the record than the artist |
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Post by chessparov on Nov 28, 2022 1:40:12 GMT -6
And before that, it was the MXL V67G! MXL never made claims comparing it to a U87, but it was an “it” mic for about 6 months. I still hear people talk up the v67. It’s kinda muddy and harsh at the same time. Any negatives? Chris |
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Post by seawell on Nov 28, 2022 1:47:16 GMT -6
Remember the mythical "Juice" plugin? They never did release it. Man..I had forgotten all about that! |
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Post by chessparov on Nov 28, 2022 1:50:43 GMT -6
Not hyped anymore, but also the MXL 2003a. It seems it's easier to find the black chrome CR24 version nowadays (same mic). What's interesting (at least to me) is... They sound remarkably similar stock, to the AT4040. A nice/clean sounding $300 mic. So still kinda a bargain.  They come up pretty cheap, at under $100 if you're patient. I do hype the current AKG P120 a bit, as IMHO (if close mic'd) it's comparable to these. Plus it's still in Production.  Chris |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 28, 2022 3:05:55 GMT -6
Perhaps too some of this is unaware consumerism: its so easy to buy stuff, combined with , do we really understand the problem we are trying to solve and the right tool for the job or is it experience?
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Post by beyer160 on Nov 28, 2022 7:09:33 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 28, 2022 8:10:05 GMT -6
They even make plugs anymore? |
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Post by EmRR on Nov 28, 2022 8:10:18 GMT -6
No one's into vintage gear like they were. We are, we just don’t make any money anymore 🤣🤣🤣 It’s a funny cycle. A lot of new repro vintage stuff is priced painfully close to the real thing, and only one of them depreciates. A lot of vintage stuff is flat price-wise over a decade. It is all harder to find at market price, what you mainly see is the fishing expeditions. |
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Post by svart on Nov 28, 2022 8:18:23 GMT -6
Circa 2001: A $99 Studio Projects C1 sounds JUST LIKE my neighbors’ friend’s dog’s U87!!!!!!! OMG. I ran out and bought one back then too. A decent mic for the price, but nothing like a U87 after all. I even complained about it back in the day and had someone related to SP tried to defend the mic. I'll give them credit though, SP and MXL really did open up the market for cheap chinese-made mics. |
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Post by svart on Nov 28, 2022 8:24:30 GMT -6
No one's into vintage gear like they were. I think it's because of the supply/demand and the resulting cost.. And if you find something that's affordable it's either "untested" (broken) or it's been gutted for the rare pieces you can't get elsewhere anyway. |
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Post by Chad on Nov 28, 2022 8:36:56 GMT -6
Circa 2001: A $99 Studio Projects C1 sounds JUST LIKE my neighbors’ friend’s dog’s U87!!!!!!! I bought one back in the day 🤣 I still have one somewhere in my closet. 😂 All of my recordings from that era are using my C1. To be fair, the eq curve was a better fit for my voice and it had a tighter pattern than my AT4050 (which meant less leakage in my poorly treated room). |
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Post by svart on Nov 28, 2022 8:39:50 GMT -6
And overall, we live in a society where we need constant "New". We (collective WE) love to complain about the kids and their TickTocks and whatnot, but let's face it.. We all do it these days.
So while folks complain about how Waves are has-beens and this-and-that are behind the times and nobody uses XXXXXX anymore.... The point is that we have so much to choose from that the pinnacle for invention of novel hardware and software is well in the past.
What exists now are hardware and software companies making small iterations of existing concepts and the only novel attributes are how marketing tries to sell you the new sales model. That's why software is now in subscriptions-only mode and why hardware is in bundled-with-software (that will get you into subscriptions) mode.
It's also just part of the larger picture of why I bought into all the plugs that everybody is hating on in this thread. They work and everyone knows all the tricks already, which I'm learning and enjoying the benefits of.
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Post by tkaitkai on Nov 28, 2022 8:42:34 GMT -6
And before that, it was the MXL V67G! MXL never made claims comparing it to a U87, but it was an “it” mic for about 6 months. That reminds me of its cousin, the MCA SP-1 ($40) which was hyped to high heaven by Jim Williams on the purple forum in the early 00's. He described the parts for an upgrade, then erased his post, and then started offering the upgrade for $125. He claimed he bought them by the dozen to record all kinds of things and were comparable to a Neumann, and then years later he stated that the mic is basically trash without upgrading the capsule. Yeah ...
I have one of these lying around somewhere. Horrifically grainy and brash, but then you remember it was $40, and suddenly, it's not so bad. Like, it's a dogshit mic, but it's the best kind of dogshit money can buy. Izotope Trash On every edm record for a hot sec. Thank god it was discontinued Oh man, I forgot about Trash. Never liked that one. Don't mean to bash iZotope or anything, though, I still love Ozone and RX.
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Post by EmRR on Nov 28, 2022 8:45:37 GMT -6
No one's into vintage gear like they were. I think it's because of the supply/demand and the resulting cost.. And if you find something that's affordable it's either "untested" (broken) or it's been gutted for the rare pieces you can't get elsewhere anyway. There are risks and it’s a different “feet on the ground” kinda search. I know people who still get tons of good stuff cheap because the hit the road and pay cash. There’s a learning curve for sure. There’s a lot of untested that’s really been sitting unpowered for 40+ years, factor the cost of a cap job and cleaning. 90% of the time it’s fine. Altec 436’s are still half the price of a Chandler, and they’re the (convertible/restorable) real thing. Full RS124 repro’s made from 436’s (by someone we know here - not me) are competitive with the Chandler clone. One example. |
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Post by mjheck on Nov 28, 2022 8:56:40 GMT -6
Man. I had both the Studio Projects and the MXL : ).
The two products I recall most from my early GS days were both products I did like - the Perlman TM1 and the A Designs Pacifica.
That said, I ended up with Neumann and Neve, like everyone predicted when they said "buy once."
MJH
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Post by mattbroiler on Nov 28, 2022 9:06:55 GMT -6
DIGIDESIGN bwahahahaha  personally I'm an M-Audio lover and still rockin the 32 bit 1010LT cards over here for rock solid every day listening since 2005ish? awesome converter chips on these bad boys |
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Post by Ward on Nov 28, 2022 9:15:43 GMT -6
Y'all might be too young to remember, but URS plugins. What a joke. Not all of us are too young. Absolute joke! Circa 2001: A $99 Studio Projects C1 sounds JUST LIKE my neighbors’ friend’s dog’s U87!!!!!!! Remember the CAD Equitek line? Same thing, I think they're still making them. I bought a CAD Equitek 2 in 1991. Don't have the heart to throw it out as 25 year old me was just glad to own what I thought was an LDC. Repeat after me; we as an industry are slaves to fashion and hype. The U47 is our little black dress, the classics seldom fail. In my days as a gear pimp there were always these weird cycles, Drawmer 1969’s were hot for a couple of weeks then they weren’t for 8 months, then it would be Tube Tech. Some gear, and now plugins ride a wave then disappear, some does something different that wows at first but over time just doesn’t cut it. Eric always types exactly what's in my brain! "These u47 clones sound just like the real thing, except they have a different tube, and transformer, and capsule, and PSU, and build quality, and... sound." Took a while to find one that was magnificent, but someone finally made one: Heiserman wave tskguy did . . . and now cdkelly has that U48 clone that I'm making payments on. This wins the internet today! Y'all might be too young to remember, but URS plugins. What a joke. Still see many of those when I pull up the old iLok manager. For the time, they had a thing, I think. Of course, I sucked back then at knowing what a thing was! I truly hope iLok dies painful death. HEY! You go too far. I still have my 737sp and use it almost once a year!! |
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Post by bossanova on Nov 28, 2022 9:30:43 GMT -6
"Analog Modeled Noise" that can't be turned off. I feel like Waves was still putting that into plugins (the CLA Signatures, some of the Greg Wells) as recently as 6 years ago.
1st wave analog modeling in general. There are exceptions (Echoboy, IMO) but generally the older plugs that haven't been surpassed are the clean algos from Waves Renaissance and the like.
Seven String Guitars. They were everywhere 23 years ago.
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Post by svart on Nov 28, 2022 9:38:59 GMT -6
I think it's because of the supply/demand and the resulting cost.. And if you find something that's affordable it's either "untested" (broken) or it's been gutted for the rare pieces you can't get elsewhere anyway. There are risks and it’s a different “feet on the ground” kinda search. I know people who still get tons of good stuff cheap because the hit the road and pay cash. There’s a learning curve for sure. There’s a lot of untested that’s really been sitting unpowered for 40+ years, factor the cost of a cap job and cleaning. 90% of the time it’s fine. Altec 436’s are still half the price of a Chandler, and they’re the (convertible/restorable) real thing. Full RS124 repro’s made from 436’s (by someone we know here - not me) are competitive with the Chandler clone. One example. I get it. I still think the majority of good vintage stuff is still overpriced. 20 years ago it was just "old stuff" in someone's closet and some of the old-timers at the local Hamfest might be internet-ignorant enough to sell it for cheap, but the vast majority of folks hocking "old stuff" use the internet to find out how to profit every red cent from it. Relabel it "vintage" and use hyperbolic language in the description and folks with a little bit of internet searching will be bidding it up to sky-high levels in a matter of minutes. There's precious few "deals" to be had these days now that you can search everywhere and even see pricing trends over years on auction sites that allow you to list for free until it sells removing any incentive to price it realistically. |
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Post by ericn on Nov 28, 2022 10:08:57 GMT -6
There is one giant influencer that we haven’t talked about, schools. All of the large university and audio trade schools are a huge influence on there students. In my gearpimp days even a couple of high school programs had an influence. In the world of software of all types the educational discounts drive long term sales.
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Post by enlav on Nov 28, 2022 10:26:36 GMT -6
I remember the Peluso 47 being highly hyped. Nobody mentions them now. I didn't really participate in forums much during the time, but I see old posts outlining the drama behind the origin of certain components or the bodies and wonder if that was the point where public opinion started to change.
I've regularly used a 2247LE or SE years back and thought it was a pretty solid mic, but I would say I doubt it sounds anything like the Heiserman.
Reminds me I should make a call and see if the studio/owner still have the Peluso.
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