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Post by tahoebrian5 on Nov 9, 2022 10:59:42 GMT -6
Has anyone here compared or heard a comparison of the beesneez 87 vs the serane and stam, etc? I’ve got the beezneez (great deal on reverb) but have never had the real deal or any of the other clones to know how it stands up.
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Post by winterland on Nov 9, 2022 14:48:48 GMT -6
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Post by musicminister187 on Nov 9, 2022 16:05:55 GMT -6
I’m checking this out at the moment, I’ve not seen a u87+ though, I know of the u87i and the u87mkiii, which are the two most recent ones. Thanks. |
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Post by tkaitkai on Nov 9, 2022 16:11:56 GMT -6
I would like to hear honest opinions of the new 87ai which I’m researching at the moment. If not that great, I’m sticking with the Redd, there’s also the possibility of a u87 clone (as some suggested) and put the extra money in a high end channel (Powerstrip, GTQC or Shelford, Tree Branch etc.). A high end tube comp or RS124 with my ez1073 is also an option. If a great chain can make an sm57 work, hey Those are my thoughts at the moment. What do we think of a Serrano on a high end channel strip? Anyone with experience favor the Lauten Atlantis? I’ve been trying to find out if it’s close to the u87.
If you have the budget, my recommendation would be to go with one really nice high end tube mic (like the REDD or Soyuz) and then fill in the gaps over time with more affordable (but still respectable) clones, i.e. the Serrano for a U87, GAP/Warm/Stam/Peluso/3U/Signal Art for a U47 or 251, etc.
I feel like it's good to have one "flagship" mic that really shines on money channels. That way, you never feel like you're missing anything, and you can always be confident that if it doesn't sound good, it's probably not the mic.
And for the occasional situation where it is the mic, you have other options.
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Post by musicminister187 on Nov 9, 2022 16:48:21 GMT -6
I would like to hear honest opinions of the new 87ai which I’m researching at the moment. If not that great, I’m sticking with the Redd, there’s also the possibility of a u87 clone (as some suggested) and put the extra money in a high end channel (Powerstrip, GTQC or Shelford, Tree Branch etc.). A high end tube comp or RS124 with my ez1073 is also an option. If a great chain can make an sm57 work, hey Those are my thoughts at the moment. What do we think of a Serrano on a high end channel strip? Anyone with experience favor the Lauten Atlantis? I’ve been trying to find out if it’s close to the u87.
If you have the budget, my recommendation would be to go with one really nice high end tube mic (like the REDD or Soyuz) and then fill in the gaps over time with more affordable (but still respectable) clones, i.e. the Serrano for a U87, GAP/Warm/Stam/Peluso/3U/Signal Art for a U47 or 251, etc.
I feel like it's good to have one "flagship" mic that really shines on money channels. That way, you never feel like you're missing anything, and you can always be confident that if it doesn't sound good, it's probably not the mic.
And for the occasional situation where it is the mic, you have other options.
I believe this is what I need to do (go with the Redd), many are saying it’s a classic already and most of all I like what I hear in the examples. Honestly the only thing standing between me and the Redd is the price, It’s not a light thing to spend 5k on a mic, the temptation is always there to convince yourself that a clone or an Ai wouldn’t be far apart or not being 4k better lol. |
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Post by musicminister187 on Nov 9, 2022 23:22:59 GMT -6
Would it be right to describe a u47 as have a more even mid range than the u87 especially more upper mid with less highs, bigger mid range in general? Again, emulations can’t really deceive you for some mics, listening to the u47, it sounds really good. The l22 turned me away from this mic but I think I prefer it’s freq response over the u87.
Listened to an artist use both the Redd and u47 and his voice came out better on the u47. The u67 sounds great as well.
Edit: anyone has experience with the flea 47?
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Post by crillemannen on Nov 10, 2022 1:13:59 GMT -6
Would it be right to describe a u47 as have a more even mid range than the u87 especially more upper mid with less highs, bigger mid range in general? Again, emulations can’t really deceive you for some mics, listening to the u47, it sounds really good. The l22 turned me away from this mic but I think I prefer it’s freq response over the u87. Listened to an artist use both the Redd and u47 and his voice came out better on the u47. The u67 sounds great as well. Edit: anyone has experience with the flea 47? I have a whole series on the vintage Neumann if you want to take a look  |
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Post by chessparov on Nov 10, 2022 1:52:47 GMT -6
Thanks again Christian for all the excellent videos. We're also very fortunate to have a reviewer like yourself, with a great voice. Part of the reason (honestly) I check your videos, is the vocal phrasing/interpretation! I'm pretty "done for now" otherwise, with the BU67 in my sights for next year. Chris |
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Post by musicminister187 on Nov 10, 2022 2:58:27 GMT -6
Thanks again Christian for all the excellent videos. We're also very fortunate to have a reviewer like yourself, with a great voice. Part of the reason (honestly) I check your videos, is the vocal phrasing/interpretation! I'm pretty "done for now" otherwise, with the BU67 in my sights for next year. I’ve been looking at these and they have been very helpful, great sound and video quality. I even questioned why your channel isn’t more popular. This is where I heard the Redd last week. Thanks Chris. |
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Post by musicminister187 on Nov 10, 2022 3:03:41 GMT -6
Would it be right to describe a u47 as have a more even mid range than the u87 especially more upper mid with less highs, bigger mid range in general? Again, emulations can’t really deceive you for some mics, listening to the u47, it sounds really good. The l22 turned me away from this mic but I think I prefer it’s freq response over the u87. Listened to an artist use both the Redd and u47 and his voice came out better on the u47. The u67 sounds great as well. Edit: anyone has experience with the flea 47? I have a whole series on the vintage Neumann if you want to take a look Oh this is you, your channel has been very helpful, heard the Redd here last week. I actually watched this yesterday and the reason I’m opening to more vintage options. Thanks. |
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Post by ericn on Nov 10, 2022 6:45:04 GMT -6
Would it be right to describe a u47 as have a more even mid range than the u87 especially more upper mid with less highs, bigger mid range in general? Again, emulations can’t really deceive you for some mics, listening to the u47, it sounds really good. The l22 turned me away from this mic but I think I prefer it’s freq response over the u87. Listened to an artist use both the Redd and u47 and his voice came out better on the u47. The u67 sounds great as well. Edit: anyone has experience with the flea 47? I have a whole series on the vintage Neumann if you want to take a look Christian as much as I hate mic videos, yours are indeed some of the few I actually enjoy. |
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Post by chessparov on Nov 10, 2022 8:59:32 GMT -6
"Hey Mikey likes it!" (From classic American TV cereal commercial) Chris |
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Post by musicminister187 on Nov 10, 2022 9:34:06 GMT -6
The mic search gets more crazy by the day, Mike here sent me two examples singing through both the flea 47 and flea 49 (f47) and the 49 sounds amazing. The 47 and 49 are slowly winning me over.
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Post by spock on Nov 10, 2022 11:30:24 GMT -6
musicminister187 FWIW...The only way you'll ever know what works is trying it in front of the source and in the room you intend to record in. The most underestimated part of the equation is the room or the environment you are recording in. A less or more expensive mic in one room might be the ticket for a source and maybe not in the next; the room is always forgotten and is such a part of a sound. Happy hunting, I hope this helps.
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Post by musicminister187 on Nov 10, 2022 17:41:51 GMT -6
Think I’m settled on the Flea 47, not sure why it took this long to discover the u47 is this good. It has the vintage vybe I’ve been hearing and mid range size. The only thing left now is deciding whether to go with the f7 or f47 capsule.
Most of you would already know but choosing the f7 makes it possible to go with the NEXT (cardioid only) version saving $1000. I’ll decide soon. Thank you everyone.
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Post by the other mark williams on Nov 10, 2022 19:14:22 GMT -6
Think I’m settled on the Flea 47, not sure why it took this long to discover the u47 is this good. It has the vintage vybe I’ve been hearing and mid range size. The only thing left now is deciding whether to go with the f7 or f47 capsule. Most of you would already know but choosing the f7 makes it possible to go with the NEXT (cardioid only) version saving $1000. I’ll decide soon. Thank you everyone. Definitely be in touch with Vincent R. - he's quite experienced with FLEA mics. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 10, 2022 19:30:24 GMT -6
Think I’m settled on the Flea 47, not sure why it took this long to discover the u47 is this good. It has the vintage vybe I’ve been hearing and mid range size. The only thing left now is deciding whether to go with the f7 or f47 capsule. Most of you would already know but choosing the f7 makes it possible to go with the NEXT (cardioid only) version saving $1000. I’ll decide soon. Thank you everyone. The F47 is a lot more modern. The F7 has that vintage sound most people associate with U47s. Have you used the FleA 47? Which configuration? |
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Post by musicminister187 on Nov 10, 2022 21:21:22 GMT -6
Think I’m settled on the Flea 47, not sure why it took this long to discover the u47 is this good. It has the vintage vybe I’ve been hearing and mid range size. The only thing left now is deciding whether to go with the f7 or f47 capsule. Most of you would already know but choosing the f7 makes it possible to go with the NEXT (cardioid only) version saving $1000. I’ll decide soon. Thank you everyone. The F47 is a lot more modern. The F7 has that vintage sound most people associate with U47s. Have you used the FleA 47? Which configuration? Hey Vincent, no I haven’t, where I’m located I’m unable to demo unfortunately. What you suggest? Which you prefer? |
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 11, 2022 10:46:35 GMT -6
The F47 is a lot more modern. The F7 has that vintage sound most people associate with U47s. Have you used the FleA 47? Which configuration? Hey Vincent, no I haven’t, where I’m located I’m unable to demo unfortunately. What you suggest? Which you prefer? DMed you. |
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Post by musicminister187 on Nov 16, 2022 19:26:06 GMT -6
An update of my search, after much listening online, I went back to my L22 system and thoroughly went through the emulations using eq to even out previously recorded vocals. The C800 and 017T are my favorites. None of these high end mics sound bad and I’m able to find the sweet spot for these vocals with eq each having their own unique flavor. I also like the c12 but will have to go with a clone for this option. The u47 isn’t as versatile as the others imo but sounds great for most.
Spending this much, I have a hard time going for a copy/clone like flea, wunder etc. I rather own a real Neuman, AKG, Soyuz, Chandler etc. as my first high end mic. I would definitely be collecting a few of these mics over time but I’m starting with either the Redd or the Soyuz; the Soyuz has the edge at the moment. The 017 tube has a unique round, 3D vybe and sizzle on the top which I love while the chandler is honest, clear and open. The chandler is closer to the finished sound I’m looking for but the Soyuz has the excitement and a vybe that you can’t get with eq.
This journey has thought me a lot, no regrets. I’ll update once I purchase and record our first take. Cheers guys.
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Post by teejay on Nov 17, 2022 10:33:42 GMT -6
I now have both the Chandler REDD and the Soyuz 017 tube. You can't go wrong with either as your flagship.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 17, 2022 11:09:01 GMT -6
Whew, that's quite a combo teejay. I'd be glad to have either one.
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Post by musicminister187 on Nov 20, 2022 2:57:57 GMT -6
I now have both the Chandler REDD and the Soyuz 017 tube. You can't go wrong with either as your flagship. Awesome Teejay, care to share your thoughts on the differences? I’m looking for the best deal at the moment on either so whichever pops up first. The goal is to own both as well. I’m still waiting on the clip btw 🙂 |
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 20, 2022 6:44:53 GMT -6
An update of my search, after much listening online, I went back to my L22 system and thoroughly went through the emulations using eq to even out previously recorded vocals. The C800 and 017T are my favorites. None of these high end mics sound bad and I’m able to find the sweet spot for these vocals with eq each having their own unique flavor. I also like the c12 but will have to go with a clone for this option. The u47 isn’t as versatile as the others imo but sounds great for most. Spending this much, I have a hard time going for a copy/clone like flea, wunder etc. I rather own a real Neuman, AKG, Soyuz, Chandler etc. as my first high end mic. I would definitely be collecting a few of these mics over time but I’m starting with either the Redd or the Soyuz; the Soyuz has the edge at the moment. The 017 tube has a unique round, 3D vybe and sizzle on the top which I love while the chandler is honest, clear and open. The chandler is closer to the finished sound I’m looking for but the Soyuz has the excitement and a vybe that you can’t get with eq. This journey has thought me a lot, no regrets. I’ll update once I purchase and record our first take. Cheers guys. I have a light tenor voice, which I can push and get a very bluesy tone (I’m told I sound a lot like Sting as a reference) and after a long search for mics I ended up with Wunder CM7 (high end U47 clone) it has a beautiful smooth top end and that iconic reedy mid push plus because of the superb build quality it reproduces my voice so incredibly naturally as to make it sound like I’m stood between the monitors singing directly to you through rose tinted glasses. Generally, for a tenor I find I very rarely prefer anything to a 47. When I’m crooning lower in my baritone register I prefer the etched tone of the BLUE Kiwi (which I personally prefer to the Neumann 87ai) If you’re on a budget, the FLEA 47 is a great bang to buck ratio. If you’re pushing out the boat, I can highly recommended the Wunder CM7s. Of course, in this price bracket it’s hard to go wrong and there’s many other great options, though some are imho more marmite choices like the Sony 800, Redd Mic and BLUE Bottle all of which are very modern big etched tones that either work superbly or sound plain wrong with some voices. You can play it safe with a great 49 which is hard to sound bad on ime. It would be ideal to have one of everything …. make that two of everything |
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Post by teejay on Nov 20, 2022 21:12:58 GMT -6
I now have both the Chandler REDD and the Soyuz 017 tube. You can't go wrong with either as your flagship. Awesome Teejay, care to share your thoughts on the differences? I’m looking for the best deal at the moment on either so whichever pops up first. The goal is to own both as well. I’m still waiting on the clip btw 🙂 Just a friendly reminder that I provided my thoughts to you on the mics in our DM back in early November. Also shared clips at that time, so you may want to revisit that. I’m not going to be able to provide any additional clips right now as I’m set up and tracking a new project. |
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